pianostar9
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TSMC to Begin Producing Apple-Designed 5G Modems for iPhones in 2023
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DeepIn2U
macrumors G5
Nah ... I'd rather it be over hotspot. We know it works, and flawlessly. Less need for hardware for those that don't require it, less hardware sku's to create and build for modem enabled MBP's vs ones that are not - less manufacturing costs, less manufacturing logistics, or expenses.
Best suited for iPads as they already have imbedded eSIMs.
Also ... less power drain.
Expecting less standby drain on iPhones! Maybe a cellular variant of MacBook in the future.
You’re reading too much forums. Apple doesn’t manufacture its chips, they design them. The manufactures love Apple for steady orders of high end chips.
Also they don’t have a monopoly they are just designing their own chips.
DeepIn2U
macrumors G5
"We don't ship JUNK!" 😉
BTW Ed should've shut his trap, Palm had multiple failures with phone component in Handspring add-on modules for early Handspring Palm OS devices. They didn't learn the phone component themselves, the change in OS licensing rules between Palm OS 3-5 - recall PalmOS4 Cobalt was cancelled was due to forcing licensee's to submit their code BACK to Palm of changes they've made. This meant the biggest licensee, Sony, had to submitt ALL their hard work to Palm:
MemoryStick code led to SDCard in Palm m505/m515 models some 2yrs later after Sony implemented it.
Phone component learned from Sony's partnership for years with Ericsson (SonyEricsson) went back, as Sony had phone dialing and dialup modem code on their Clie/Cleo devices long before HandSpring/Palm had anything relatable.
So in famous words of Jobs ... "We Don't Ship JUNK!" 😉
Seoras
macrumors 6502a
No I don't read forums. Unlike many misguided people today I form my own opinions and avoid "influencers"
Seoras
macrumors 6502a
I agree.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused here. Did it sound like I was having a go at Apple?
I wasn't.
I was expressing concern that Apple, who I love and admire greatly, will be attacked even more.
Read the quote in my sig...
By then, customers will probably have paid 3x for that: one time for the Intel acquisition, one time for the dev R&D to revamp its technology, and one more time for the QualComm modem to be ordered at the very last moment to save the iPhone launchThe Intel modem team, aka the Junior Varsity squad of modem development, will be back in the 2023 iPhones... all so Tim Cook can save a few bucks. Apple's customers, as usual, are the ones who suffer with inevitably worse power consumption and poor connectivity. It's like the iPhone 7 all over again...
Apple Reportedly Throttling iPhone 7 Models With Qualcomm Modems To Match Versions With Intel Modems
This week, a report ousted Apple's decision to throttle the Qualcomm modem found in most of its iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models to match the performance of the Intel modem found in other versions. Now, according to sources close to the matter, it's absolutely the case but is there a real...hothardware.com
And...
iPhone X Models With Qualcomm Modem Still Have Faster LTE Speeds Than Those With Intel Modems
iPhone X models equipped with Qualcomm's Snapdragon X16 modem get consistently better LTE speeds than versions with Intel's XMM7480 modem, according to wireless signal testing firm Cellular Insights. For context, Cellular Insights used professional measurement equipment equipped with four...www.macrumors.com
cgsnipinva
macrumors 6502
The first two parts of your statement make sense. But the final one does not. With Apple making its own silicon we went from Qualcomm & Intel controlling all mobile phone processors to now Qualcomm, Intel, and Apple. There is more competition. There is no legal argument against a vertically integrated company.
cgsnipinva
macrumors 6502
I would tend to agree. However, this is no Apple's first go at chip design and production and they did have Intel's modem business they acquired a couple of years ago that gave them a boost so they didn't start from scratch.
newyorksole
macrumors 603
ah, my bad lol. it was hard for me to tell which way you were going with the post.
all good! 😎
Maybe currently, but I think the cost going forward is just licensing for the architecture only which will be much smaller
ARM might be a larger threat to Intel than AMD. Apple switching from Intel to ARM makes Intel look bad.
Apple probably doesn't care about Intel's ads. If Intel can offer something Apple wants, Apple will care about that more than some ads. Companies usually value money over their pride.
If Intel develops a much-improved node and becomes the best fab, I'd be all for Intel manufacturing Apple's chips.
Make no mistake, Apple has its hands all over their suppliers' manufacturing processes. At this point, TSMC is more a partner than anything else. I'm sure the amount of cash flow Apple pumps into TSMC is one of the main reasons that has allowed them to stay well ahead of competitors and why Apple gets first "dibs" on new fabs. Would be nice to see Apple/TSMC open more fabs in the US (and other locations around the world) though.
Of course Apple's modem will use Qualcom IP ... and there's nothing Qualcomm can do about it except collect licensing fees. That IP is part of a standard. IP is only used in a standard after the supplier agrees to fairly license it to anyone that needs it.
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Seoras
macrumors 6502a
Not now.
A company that is fully vertically integrated, isolated, rich, powerful and market dominant is exactly what the EU likes to go after as we've already seen in the past.
You can't make vertical integration illegal, hope I'm not laying a curse by saying that, but what it does do is strengthen Apple further and that begs the attention of those who would seek to weaken it or milk it.
Didn't the EU just pass a useless law about USB C charging ports for phones when the mobile phone tech has been moving to wireless with Qi as standard? Who was that aimed at?
Hasn't S.Korean just legislated allowing any in app purchasing method?
Didn't Russia pass a law about state approved default apps on mobile devices?
The list goes on and will continue to grow.
How long until the EU thinks up a good excuse to fine Apple $billions for some rule breach, or creates a law just to take a bite out of their a$$.
Ultimately end of the day when it comes to cellular... I want a phone with little chance of dropping calls or bungling data transfer. There's more to it than just a chip... there's carrier, antennae, etc. But that change should give most pause from getting the new phone with the in house chip until there's clarity that it does at least as well as the prior model.
... should vs are.. Anyway, I'll pause upgrading right away when the change happens.
... should vs are.. Anyway, I'll pause upgrading right away when the change happens.
cashboxz02
macrumors member
Yes. The M1 has been researched and reverse engineered, and most chip production from other manufacturers will take Apple's lead based on that type of reverse-engineered research's publications. Same thing happened between Intel and AMD on x86-64. The successful competitor will have to fork the hardware design, and offer something new which the M1 doesn't offer, and something that would benefit consumers.
cashboxz02
macrumors member
- AirPower
- Butterfly key switches
- Trash can Mac Pro
wanha
macrumors 68030
Great list, thanks man!
A few comments:
1. Airpower never shipped, so they never introduced them.
2. Epic failure but to a non-processor part (I assumed we were talking about non-mechanical technologies, but I realize I never wrote that)
3. Fair point!
pianostar9
macrumors regular
I dissent, it has great performance and is perfectly ready... as my Trash icon on macOS Catalina (thanks to LiteIcon).
cgsnipinva
macrumors 6502
Decent points and I am not arguing against the notion that the EU will come out with some idiotic rule or regulation. However, it is hard to say that Apple Silicon puts Apple in a market dominant position. it does not hold a majority of market share in any of its segments - cell phones, computers, web services, etc. it does hold a market leading position in tablets but that is because Google and the Android industry gave up on them save Samsung.
I think that Apple's move into silicon is not to take over dominant market share but to enable them to make the products they want without being held back by outside supplier limitations. One cannot argue with that motive.