TSMC Won't Make Official Decision About Building U.S. Plant Until 2018

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple supplier Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company won't make a decision about moving some of its chip manufacturing into the United States until sometime in 2018, according to company spokesperson Michael Kramer (via Reuters).

    Although recent reports have focused on Foxconn's potential move stateside for Apple-specific iPhone manufacturing, TSMC chairman Morris Chang in January mentioned that the supplier was not ruling out the U.S. as a location for one of its foundries.

    Now TSMC is putting off an official decision until next year, with Kramer stating that the company would lose a lot of its "flexibility" if it moved production into the United States. Sources in Taiwan point towards a decision coming specifically in the "first half of 2018," with upwards of $16 billion potentially being invested in getting the American plant up and running.
    No Apple supplier has made an official decision about building a plant in the U.S as of yet. Last year, Foxconn looked to be in the preliminary stages of building an assembly plant in the U.S., but this month chairman Terry Gou raised uncertainties about such plans. Both TSMC and Foxconn have teamed up to bid on Toshiba's memory chip unit, although the latter company has reportedly lost ground in the bidding due to the Japanese government's fear of Foxconn's ties to China.

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  2. cableguy84 macrumors 65816


    Sep 7, 2015
  3. Avieshek, Mar 20, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2017

    Avieshek Suspended


    Dec 7, 2013
    The future is Robots, anyway. Should focus more on Education to bring out future engineers, scientists, mathematicians, scholars or things benefiting art & marketing or creativity that Robots wouldn't compete. Can't believe America is starting to think manual labour, now. That's an aim, for a country like Bangladesh. Direct the expenditure from defence & mindless surveillance to Education, not some just kindergarten education but College education.
  4. Michaelgtrusa macrumors 604

    Oct 13, 2008
  5. ThaRuler macrumors regular


    Feb 16, 2016
    Is it just my phone or is this site acting weird today? I can't scroll down without it acting crazy
  6. luckydcxx macrumors 65816


    Jun 13, 2013
    I love how this is a political blocked article because it mentions the US and manufacuting. You know someone is going to bring up President Trump and how somehow it will be bad to manufacture in the US.
  7. Fattytail macrumors 6502a

    Apr 11, 2012
    That's what happens to most of my conversations in reality these days anyway. :)
  8. brueck macrumors regular

    Jun 15, 2010
    It's not "bad" to have manufacturing in the US, but it is bad to fight the forces of capitalism if it's only for economic gain.
  9. 69Mustang macrumors 604


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    Do you not see the irony in the fact that it was you?:)
  10. luckydcxx macrumors 65816


    Jun 13, 2013
    It was me only because Macrumors limited the post. If they didn't do that I wouldn't have commented.
  11. Kaibelf macrumors 68020


    Apr 29, 2009
    Silicon Valley, CA
    Why? Will the chips work differently or the jobs differ in any discernible way?
  12. dominiongamma macrumors 68000

    Oct 19, 2014
    Tempe, Arizona
    to satisfy a American dream ego :)
  13. now i see it macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
    This whole Made In The USA push started with the new president. We have an election every four years, TSMC will probably drag its feet for another four years to see what the next election brings. Who knows what's in store for the USA four years from now? For all we know, a different person will occupy the White House & he'll be a devout globalist.
  14. canadianreader macrumors 6502a


    Sep 24, 2014
    Reboot your phone coz everything is fine here.

    For the TMSC they should at least have a research and development in the US
  15. Juan007 macrumors 6502a


    Jun 14, 2010
    Maybe since Trump took a call from Taiwan's president, TSMC is under pressure to make Trump look good. It's a foolish move for business reasons, and because Trump will be president for only 3.5 more years (actually probably 1.5 more years until impeachment).
  16. tshrimp macrumors 6502


    Mar 30, 2012
    Yep. Somehow someones car breaks down, and it leads to being Trumps fault for some reason. We live in odd world.
  17. GrumpyMom macrumors 604


    Sep 11, 2014
    That's the attitude that got us in the mess we are in and helped usher in the paradigms that have created so much income inequality in this country (I'm referring to the US). It's an elitist attitude that assumes all manual labor is mindless labor. In fact, much of it is very highly skilled and requires a significant amount of training and apprenticeship. I daresay my friends who are trademen have put in even more hours of study at their trades than I did getting my business degree.

    Not everyone has the personality or the ability to sit still and be a scholar. What do they contribute to society anyway, in practical terms above and beyond the men and women who make and fix and build things? I've known more than a few that seemed educated beyond the degree to which their common sense is capable of functioning--because they do some pretty damn fool things with other aspects of their lives.

    The fact is for my entire generation we have been focusing on creating engineers, scientists, mathematicians and scholars--and Wall Street denizens--and ignoring the trades. And you know what...there's not enough jobs for all of the intellectuals, either.

    My husband has interviewed and hired at least three employees who were trained as scientists. One woman has advanced degrees and notable credentials in particle physics, if I remember correctly. She ended up being hired on as a project manager in a field completely unrelated to science and had to be retrained a bit to function at her new job. She said she could not make a living at science because the field is crowded, funding and opportunities are few and not guaranteed, and only the best of the best and most well connected can thrive at it, and they are still competing with scientists who are close to 60 years old with even more prestige than any "kid" with fresh degrees in hand can offer.

    That's a big problem...no matter what field you go into now, many are overcrowded and our college grads end up having to do jobs entirely unrelated to their degrees and end up having to be retrained.

    Oh and by the way, artificial intelligence and automation IS actually replacing white collar college educated workers, too. I read about the problems paralegals face as their tasks have become computerized.

    There are opportunities to make a decent and non-soul sucking living are out there, but they're not what your teachers and professors will tell you they are...those people are trained to plow you back into academia or into offices and cubicles. That's not a life for everyone. In fact it's a death sentence for a lot of people who are temperamentally unsuited to it.

    Which is why I'm enrolling my preteen in an experimental program that pairs middle schoolers with local artists, farmers, beekeepers, tradespeople, aquarists, carpenters and so forth. These are people who work with their hands AND their minds and are also successful at it and who know where the opportunities are and how to become an entrepreneur using these skills. These are successful people flying under the radar in our economy because for an entire generation we turned our noses up at anything that wasn't heralded by the intellectual elite who promoted the idea that to work at a trade was to consign yourself to a beer gut, dirty hands and ignorance.

    We need more "stuff" going on in this country. Yes, robots will be doing a lot of manual stuff, but we still need stuff happening so that there will be opportunities somewhere in there for even a handful of humans. That's a handful out of unemployment. If that's my kid in that handful, I'm happy.
  18. Gasu E. macrumors 601

    Gasu E.

    Mar 20, 2004
    Not far from Boston, MA.
    What is an "American owned plant"? A private company owned by some dude with a US passport?

    Apple is not an "American owned" company, FYI. It's publicly traded, and owned by people of many nationalities. Dell, in contrast, is "American owned".
  19. npmacuser5 macrumors 65816


    Apr 10, 2015
    Reminds of the "Made in America" Saipan Days. All BS No real benefit for American Jobs.
  20. cerote macrumors 6502a


    Mar 2, 2009
    Just like people did/do the last president and the president before and so forth.
  21. Analog Kid, Mar 20, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2017

    Analog Kid macrumors 601

    Analog Kid

    Mar 4, 2003
    I disagree. The only reason to not fight the forces of capitalism is economic gain. If it wasn't the best resource optimization scheme going for certain economic sectors, capitalism would be irredeemable. "Invisible hands" notwithstanding, it is anti-democratic, repressive, short sighted and sociopathic.
  22. FX120 macrumors 65816


    May 18, 2007
    Fabs are already highly automated, labor costs aren't really a factor, and TSMC isn't going to move production to the US just to try and appease Trump. A good majority of the wafer processing equipment used by TSMC is sourced from US companies like Lam Research and Applied Materials, who do still manufacture in the US. The cost of opening a new fab in Taiwan would be dramatically impacted by any new import duties were to arise in reaction to trade policies put in place by the Trump administration. I would be willing to bet that is a large part of why they are exploring the idea of opening a US based plant.

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