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My issue, is they're more obsessed with thinness and not function. I understand, they want to produce beautifully designed machines and they do, but at some point too thin, is well, too thin. I would rather have a couple of millimeters of thickness if that meant my laptop wouldn't hit 90c at the drop of a hat.

They're not the only ones who got lazy, Dell is another one that quickly comes to mind, where they slapped a hot running processor into an inadequately cooled enclosure.

I very much agree on both points, far too much has been compromised for the sake of the aesthetic. I've never seen so many professional's walk away from Apple as in recent years, and for good reason. With other OEM,s you generally have a wider range of options, with Apple your just stuck with it, lifestyle products with diminishing features, usability and increasing margin...

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Many people who need a lot of CPU performance don't need it all the time, they might be running CPU- or graphic-intensive tasks for hours on end but it's usually not all they do 24x7 [...]
You usually don't need the CPU's turbo boost when you are only doing some web browsing or text editing, chances are you'd rather have your battery last a bit longer and for your MacBook to maybe run a bit cooler in these situations.

Those situations are exactly what I need Turbo Boost for — why would I want to trade computer responsiveness for dubious battery improvements? You are also not taking into account that a slower CPU will take longer to perform the task, which means spending more time outside of low-energy state, which could potentially negate any battery improvement — of course all subject to particular context and usage. And cool? What do you people want with all this "running cool" business? Why should I care if my average CPU temperature is 40 degrees or 50 degrees?

I am quite religiously convinced that when it comes to software features like these, customisability is the root of all evil. Once the system starts offering a "performance slider", this means that the engineering has failed, plain and simple. The OS and the software should be competent enough to complete tasks you need to complete as efficiently as possible. Sometimes it means sprinting as quick as one can (for brief periods of time), sometimes it means going in a leisurely pace (by timing the execution and introducing sleep periods).

BTW, yes, I think that "battery mode" on the iOS is different. Not only a working phone is more important than a working laptop, but it also kicks in automatically when your battery is getting low.
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I would rather have a couple of millimeters of thickness if that meant my laptop wouldn't hit 90c at the drop of a hat.

Somehow being more thicker didn't prevent early retina and unibody Macs running at their max temperature as well. Its not the question of thickness, its the question of configuring the cooling system. Which Apple configures rather precisely the way its is (reaching max safe temperature when under heavy load). As I have explained in detail in the other thread.
 
OEM,s you generally have a wider range of options, with Apple your just stuck with it
Well that's good and bad. Apple typically only offers a few different models and configurations. I think that level of simplicity is refreshing. Not to pick on Dell, but there's so much overlap, do you want an XPS, Latitude, Vostro, Inspirion and within those, what configurations.

The downside is that, is that you need to find a configuration/model that is closest to what you need. With the MBP, its a powerful machine, but it cannot meet everyone's needs.

far too much has been compromised for the sake of the aesthetic.
The MBP is a head turner, its a beautiful computer, but sadly imo aesthetics as taken over and that thin design is hampering overall usage, i.e., heat. Apple isn't the only one, there's a race to who can make the thinnest laptop it seems, but others tend to use a cooler (and slower) CPU.

To Apple's credit and detriment, they continue to use the 45w flavor of the CPU, and that does gives us good performance, we're seeing temps in the 80 to 100c range under load. This of course drives us to use the other means like Volta, and Turbo Booster to trade in performance for temperature.
 
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What I do not understand here - form various reports the Volta app achieves better performance from limiting the wattage, and avoids very high temperatures, without having to disable turboboost.

Therefore ... why have Apple not simply implemented their own power wattage limit ???!!?o_O This would be very very easy for them.

I'm not willing to take the security compromises that come with volta, but I don't want to turn off turbo boosts either.
 
What I do not understand here - form various reports the Volta app achieves better performance from limiting the wattage, and avoids very high temperatures, without having to disable turboboost.
I'm not sure why in all honesty, I've been playing with both settings, and both apps trying to discern which works best for my work flow.

I'm not willing to take the security compromises that come with volta, but I don't want to turn off turbo boosts either.
For my needs, turning off Turbo Boost has been hugely impactful, at least in the short term. Tbh, as long as my temps stay under 80c, I'm happy.
 
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I'm not sure why in all honesty, I've been playing with both settings, and both apps trying to discern which works best for my work flow.


For my needs, turning off Turbo Boost has been hugely impactful, at least in the short term. Tbh, as long as my temps stay under 80c, I'm happy.

Well there are times I might think to turn it off - like doing a long CPU intensive processing run. But I don't like to have to think about it and specifically turn it off or on depending on what i'm doing. I agree with some of the sentiment on here that this is symptomatic of poor engineering. But I still think Apple could and should improve things on their side with more sensible power limits.
 
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Those situations are exactly what I need Turbo Boost for — why would I want to trade computer responsiveness for dubious battery improvements? You are also not taking into account that a slower CPU will take longer to perform the task, which means spending more time outside of low-energy state, which could potentially negate any battery improvement — of course all subject to particular context and usage.
Are you referring to the same examples I listed, i.e. browsing, text-editing and the like? Because in these situations, I really don't see Turbo Boost making such a big difference. I actually tried out this tool for a few hours since, and I really didn't notice any difference in responsiveness when browsing the web, downloading some large files, sorting through some stuff in Finder, or writing a bit in Pages. Do the typed letters come out faster with Turbo Boost? Do websites load noticeably faster or do documents open noticeable faster with it? Well, maybe a big document might, I dunno, but I didn't notice any difference in responsiveness with the stuff I did. You don't seem to take into account that the CPU usually only activates Turbo Boost when it actually needs it – otherwise, it will oftentimes run far below base frequency anyway to be more efficient.

It's a bit funny that you put the adjective "dubious" in front of battery improvement but not in front of "responsiveness" when many people would have the polar opposite reaction. On many standard, non-demanding everyday tasks that barely make the CPU hit base frequency anyway, so the difference in responsiveness, if there is any, won't be all that noticeable to a great deal of people. But if the battery lasts me an hour longer than it otherwise would? That's a real, tangible, easily measurable benefit that can easily make a difference to some people, I'm not sure what's so dubious about it. (And no, I haven't personally done any testing on that yet, so take the "hour" with a grain of salt, but for many people including OP, it does seem to improve battery life, by varying amounts.)
And cool? What do you people want with all this "running cool" business? Why should I care if my average CPU temperature is 40 degrees or 50 degrees?
Well for one, a cooler computer generally also means a quieter computer, as the fan speeds are directly dependent on the internal temperatures of your MacBook. If you've ever had the fans of your laptop spin up in a quiet library or lecture hall or while chatting with a group of friends or any situation like that, then you might know how awkward that can be. I mean, even when just sitting at home and trying to focus on a task at hand, having your fans make some noise can be interruptive to what you do. Having your laptop remain cooler means that your fans will generally spin up less (or not to an audible amount at all).

Also, I can see why it matters to people who live in very hot regions. If your outside temperature is 35°C or above and you are sitting in a refreshingly cool room, then you probably want your MBP to heat it up as slow as possible.

Personally I'm not bothered that much by the internal temperatures of my MacBook, but that doesn't mean that other people don't have valid reasons to be concerned about it. Let's not dismiss other people's worries or use cases just because they don't apply to us.
BTW, yes, I think that "battery mode" on the iOS is different. Not only a working phone is more important than a working laptop, but it also kicks in automatically when your battery is getting low.
Not sure where you are getting that from that a working phone is more important than a working laptop, not only does this vary from person to person, but a laptop is the device that many people do their work on, so for many of them it's equally if not more important than a working phone.

Also the disabling/re-enabling of turbo boost can kick in automatically aswell with OP's app (even with a custom-set battery percentage), so that point is moot.

I mean, I see your point about about the restrictions on customizability in things like that, but that is simply a divisive topic and many people have different views and desires in this regard, and why not let them have that customizability if they want it? The fact that there are so little customization settings for energy-efficiency (past when the screen turns off and the like) shows that Apple sees it similar to you and wants users not to bother with such settings, but that doesn't mean it's the best solution for everyone. In fact the low power mode hasn't been around for that long either in the iPhone's history, yet it was generally very positively received when it launched. More choice to the user – what's so bad about that? If you don't need it, just don't use it, and it won't affect you.

The fact that tools like OPs are so well-received among a part of the users base shows that many people would rather have more granular and precise control about when their computer uses its big cannons and when it doesn't. You don't have to use this tool if you don't like it, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who are actively getting a longer battery life or other improvements from it in situations where the additional performance just doesn't make a difference.
 
it does not work for me, when i select disable turbo boost, nothing happen

.. and yes, i did this "
The only thing you need to do is, just after clicking on Disable Turbo Boost and only if nothing happens, go to Control Panel -> Security & Privacy and, on General tab, click on “Allow” button.
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edit: resolved by putting app in application folder. WTF? ...
 
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Are you referring to the same examples I listed, i.e. browsing, text-editing and the like? Because in these situations, I really don't see Turbo Boost making such a big difference. [...] On many standard, non-demanding everyday tasks that barely make the CPU hit base frequency anyway, so the difference in responsiveness, if there is any, won't be all that noticeable to a great deal of people.

Turbo Boost is exactly what allows the "smaller" 15W CPUs to match our even outclass their larger brethren on "casual" tasks like browsing etc. It's all about how quickly the CPU can get out of the idle mode, respond to the user request, and then go back. With faster, more responsive turbo, the CPU will spend much less time doing the work, while appearing faster.

Current CPUs can enter and exit turbo boost very quickly. We are talking about 10-15ms here. Of course, you are right that actions such as using a text processor can be usually processed so fast that the thread is done before the CPU has "realised" that running stuff. So boosting won't really do much in that situations (unless you are doing more complex operations such as pasting/reformating large amounts of text etc.). But its not like turning off TB will have any benefit here either, right? ;) So is there really that much efficiency to gain by preventing TB when mostly doing very light work? I don't know. I haven't seen anyone quantifying it in a rigorous way. At the same time, if your "light workload" does happen to stumble on a stone, like pasting a complex table into your pages document that has to be scanned, formatted and aligned, TB will kick in and make sure that the task finishes much faster. And it won't cause increased battery drain or fan noise, because you machine will be back to idling in under 100ms.

You don't seem to take into account that the CPU usually only activates Turbo Boost when it actually needs it – otherwise, it will oftentimes run far below base frequency anyway to be more efficient.

And how does the CPU know it needs it? The CPU has no way to know what you are doing or whether what you are doing is critical. The CPU simply tries to run stuff as quickly as it potentially can. Which means that it tries to boost if you give it code to run (it running it takes more than few ms). So its really all up to the OS providing hints to the CPU by directly manipulating the power states and the software by yielding execution to the OS, which in turn will halt the CPU.

It's a bit funny that you put the adjective "dubious" in front of battery improvement but not in front of "responsiveness" when many people would have the polar opposite reaction.

As I mentioned before, I haven't seen anyone test this out properly. Because users here in the forum report improved battery life with TB off, and then you ask for details and it turns out they have been using Chrome and reading news on websites that aggressively push the CPU in order to collect data and who knows what.

And this is exactly my point: the software knows best what it is doing and how important it is. If you have an app that's hogging the CPU and causing excessive energy consumption just to display an email, this app is buggy, and user's "anger" should be directed towards the developer. Micromanaging your system in order to deal with buggy software is not really a progressive way, IMO.

I know that the world is not perfect and sometimes one doesn't really have much choice. So my "don't use software that hogs the CPU", in the end, is not a very practical advice. But I really don't like how these issues are being approached by the users. Instead of demanding that app developers improve their product, or that website developers stop hogging CPU resources for no good reasons, the user backlash falls to hardware manufacturer, and resource micromanagement becomes commonplace. While more and more crappy software is being written.
 
The MBP is a head turner, its a beautiful computer, but sadly imo aesthetics as taken over and that thin design is hampering overall usage, i.e., heat. Apple isn't the only one, there's a race to who can make the thinnest laptop it seems, but others tend to use a cooler (and slower) CPU.

They definitely are a head turning and a beautiful computer. As shallow as it sounds, that may be the hardest part I have with moving away from it. Every time I pass my wife's MBP there is a little pulling of the heartstrings over how good it looks. But then I remember that there is a price that comes with those svelte good looks :)
 
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They definitely are a head turning and a beautiful computer. As shallow as it sounds, that may be the hardest part I have with moving away from it. Every time I pass my wife's MBP there is a little pulling of the heartstrings over how good it looks. But then I remember that there is a price that comes with those svelte good looks :)

It is indeed, and the OS, however the performance and reliability is just trailing off. Frankly speaking Apple seems to be mostly catering for the shallow, hence why they don't really put any effort into the Mac. I feel the MBP is fast becoming a pretentious toy, bought to impress others or massage ego's. The trail off in usability is shocking, resulting in the MBP now being little more than an exercise in diminishing returns.

Apple is on it's 3rd cycle of this design, yet is still seemingly incapable of getting things right. Why Apple simply doesn't produce a competent computer line-up is beyond me as there's clearly a healthy market. TBH it's hardly surprising why so few are now used professionally...

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Has anyone tried this turbo boost switcher utility on the new MacBook Pro 16” and if so does it help with fan noise ? And how much of an impact on performance is this likely to have , eg with an i9 cpu ?
 
Yes, I recently installed it on my MBP 16". The video editing software I use makes the fans blow loud after 30sec of playback to the point where it irritated me. On my 2015 13inch MacBook Pro with the same project the machine was whisper quiet. No performance on playback or general usage of the software or machine suffered. I figured once I'm done editing and exporting, or using other software I would then enable Turbo Boost, the pro version allows you to select the programs you want Turbo Boost disabled.

A part of me felt weird about spending more for the i9 then having to limit it in a way, also it draws my attention to when I have to enable/ disable Turbo Boost. But I do like the idea that the system is cooler, can run longer on battery and of course is quieter. I've also read the Turbo Boost is only used for short bursts and later down the track software can optimised in order to be more efficient.
 
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Has anyone tried this turbo boost switcher utility on the new MacBook Pro 16” and if so does it help with fan noise ? And how much of an impact on performance is this likely to have , eg with an i9 cpu ?
With Logic Pro it cuts about 25%, but then fans stays reasonable level and performance is still great. I think TBS Pro with automation is worth of every penny. When I need more power, then I just switch turbo boost on. (MBP i9 16").
 
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Wow , I've literally just installed the Turbu Boost Switcher utility on a 2015 Macbook Pro and can not believe the difference it has made to the overall comfort level and fan noise of the machine -- even tried extreme stress testing running 3 VMs , two separate 4k streaming Videos open in Chrome windows, and no fan noise if the turbo boost is disabled!!!

And as soon you as you re-enable Turbo Boost , the fans kick in like a spaceship about to launch.

Amazing !
 
With Logic Pro it cuts about 25%, but then fans stays reasonable level and performance is still great. I think TBS Pro with automation is worth of every penny. When I need more power, then I just switch turbo boost on. (MBP i9 16").


I'm genuinely surprised that Apple doesn't implement a Low Power mode like on iOS. They underclock the CPU+GPU in iOS so not sure why they wouldn't want a reduced power mode on macOS too since these tweaks definitely boost your battery life enough to be noticed.
 
I'm genuinely surprised that Apple doesn't implement a Low Power mode like on iOS. They underclock the CPU+GPU in iOS so not sure why they wouldn't want a reduced power mode on macOS too since these tweaks definitely boost your battery life enough to be noticed.

Exactly. There's even "Energy Saver" in system preferences. It would make sense to stick a checkbox in there for those that wish...
 
Exactly. There's even "Energy Saver" in system preferences. It would make sense to stick a checkbox in there for those that wish...

Agree totally, i'm just amazed and annoyed to have put up with all the fan noise on my 2015 Macbook Pro for several years, if it was a simple case of installing this utility to almost stop all fan noise -- this thing is absolutely silent to the point where I'm worried if this turbo utility has malfunctioned and just turned all my fans off altogether , although it's showing RPMs for fan ranging in 2000-2100 range which is barely audible. Is this what others are seeing with the turbo switcher utility ?

It would have been great if this feature was built into Mac OS to go into silent mode and not require a third party utility.
 
I installed Pro on my new 16inch because ZBrush still has an issue on MacBooks where it maxes out temps and fans moments after using it. Even after manually changing CPU thread use from 16 to 4, due to the darn turbo boost. Now with Pro auto turning it off for ZBrush, temps are better, no annoying fans, and performance is still reasonable for this program.
 
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After seeing the effects of this utility on an old MacBook Pro when running VMs, this has now convinced me to go for the new MacBook Pro 16” top spec with i9/64GB Ram , as loud fan noise was my biggest concern.
 
Turbo Boost Pro is awesome. My 2017 15" MBPro and 2019 16" MBPro run cooler and quieter with it. And I love that I can selectively turn it on or off on a per-app basis.

The ONLY downside to this app is that once you install it, the app is tied to the device you install it on. If you buy a new Mac, you have to send an email to the dev, wait for him to release the serial number from your device, then remove the install from the previous Mac, then install on the new Machine. It's kind of a pain in the arse... but I understand that without this feature, the app would be shared around the web at the expense of the developer's income.

The only problem with that is, in my case, I bought a new Mac, went through that hassle, then it turned out that new Mac was a lemon and Apple exchanged it with a new 16" - which required me to go through the hassle with TurboBoost Pro AGAIN. The second time, I got the impression the dev didn't believe that I simply got a new machine (though he did release the serial number again) only 3 weeks after the last time I told him I got a new machine. I suspect that if I get a new Mac in the next two years, he's not going to believe me.
 
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Turbo Boost Pro is awesome. My 2017 15" MBPro and 2019 16" MBPro run cooler and quieter with it. And I love that I can selectively turn it on or off on a per-app basis.

The ONLY downside to this app is that once you install it, the app is tied to the device you install it on. If you buy a new Mac, you have to send an email to the dev, wait for him to release the serial number from your device, then remove the install from the previous Mac, then install on the new Machine. It's kind of a pain in the arse... but I understand that without this feature, the app would be shared around the web at the expense of the developer's income.

The only problem with that is, in my case, I bought a new Mac, went through that hassle, then it turned out that new Mac was a lemon and Apple exchanged it with a new 16" - which required me to go through the hassle with TurboBoost Pro AGAIN. The second time, I got the impression the dev didn't believe that I simply got a new machine (though he did release the serial number again) only 3 weeks after the last time I told him I got a new machine. I suspect that if I get a new Mac in the next two years, he's not going to believe me.
Thanks for sharing the info, I’m using the free version on a 2015 MBP and intend to get the pro version when I get my new 16” MBP — given you have the new 16” model and a 15”, have you found the Utility as effective on the 16” with i9 , and any obvious differences between the free and pro version?
 
When connected to a 4K monitor on my 16", this tool helps me keep the CPU temp ~10C lower than before
 
Thanks for reading!

I just bought the PRO version. It has more advanced features. Like automatic TB off while charger disconnected.

It's so fantastic!!! Thank you some much, OP for showing me this little app. Wish you a merry Christmas!


I performed some tests with my 2019 i9 MBP 15" and TB off and On. Mine is the 2,3Ghz 8core i9.

Look at the results:

TaskTB OffTB On
Geek Bench 5 - Single6751131
Geek Bench 5 - Multi47076567
Exporting 48 26mp RAWs from Capture One1:35m1:25m
Exporting 207 26mp RAWs from Capture One5:41m5:12m


While the exporting times are pretty similar, is fair to remind that TB does not kick in multithreaded process. Besides that, the temperatures were very hot while exporting the batch of images with TB on. Reaching 100º in a matter of seconds. And with crazy fans.

With TB off, the temps are about 60º even with all cores at 100% (actually it was 1.600% usage) with the fans running about 4.000 RPMS.

The single thread result from Geek Bench 5 has warned me, but since yesterday I'm running with TB off all day just to try. And I'm not able to spot any slowdown. Maybe because nothing is single thread this days?

I'm a photographer and designer. I work with Capture One and the Affinity suite. I'm using Safari, and Spark for mailing.

One thing noteworthy is that the GPU has been running with higher clock, and GDDR is running at 1,43GHz. And the pictures are rendered faster after applying filters! 😍

Well, I'm in love with it.

I will update you soon.
 
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