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Turn-by-Turn and Flyover for 4S and iPad2+ ONLY (also - SIRI on 4S and iPad 3 ONLY)
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Would love to see turn-by-turn on the iPad2+ used as a big-ass car sat-nav.
Navigon...why wait?
I know quite a few people who didn't get the iphone 4 until after Verizon started selling it. So try 16 months or less old for a few million customers...Oh yeah I forgot, those people are idiots for buying old hardware...
It's no doubt to encourage sales of the iPad 3 as well, and... I doubt Apple's servers could handle all the load from the iPad 2 as well.
You are so annoying. I prefer hysteria and ass hattery to lucid responses backed by experience.
I've no idea how it works in the USA & other countries, but in the UK most phone contracts run from 18-24 months and then you get a free upgrade to whatever you want and renew, or cancel and move to a new provider.
I don't see why people cry so much, just move to a new and better plan with the iPhone 4s or wait for the 5 to be released.
I don't see why people cry so much, just move to a new and better plan with the iPhone 4s or wait for the 5 to be released.
I got the Verizon phone when it was released, so I feel pretty cheated. True, it was old hardware, but it was the only choice at the time! It doesn't feel like old hardware with day to day use :/
Beta-1 anyway, does include turn-by-turn for the iPhone 4.
It runs badly but it does run.
If you click the compass icon so that the map auto-scrolls with your GPS location the the turn by turn will auto-advance along with your route but the lag is pretty horrible.
The auto-advance happens halfway through each section of route so if the notice says to make a left 1 mile ahead and then go for 10 miles, the notice will not advance until after you've traveled 5 miles down that 10 mile stretch.
If the next stretch is 2 miles then it won't advance until you're 1 mile down that stretch.
It's always half a stretch behind.
It runs badly but it does run.
If you click the compass icon so that the map auto-scrolls with your GPS location the the turn by turn will auto-advance along with your route but the lag is pretty horrible.
The auto-advance happens halfway through each section of route so if the notice says to make a left 1 mile ahead and then go for 10 miles, the notice will not advance until after you've traveled 5 miles down that 10 mile stretch.
If the next stretch is 2 miles then it won't advance until you're 1 mile down that stretch.
It's always half a stretch behind.
And yet, MS is still supporting XP, and you can still install Windows 7 on really old computers, and you will be able to install Windows 8 on really old computers. Arbitrarily "obsoleting" a two year old device is pretty much downright dirty. Defending Apple because they "want money" is weird.
Mad Mac Maniac
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Look at it this way.
Microsoft is a software company (meaning they make money from software). It makes sense that Microsoft wants to be able to sell windows (at a very high cost) to as many people as possible for as long as possible. In fact, I'm sure microsoft makes twice as much money (or more) from selling an upgrade than from a person buying a new computer.
Apple is a hardware company (meaning they make money from hardware). They sell you their software upgrades at a very inexpensive cost (see: FREE and $20). They NEED to phase out old hardware support because if everybody kept their Mac's for 10 years Apple wouldn't make much money.
There is nothing particularly dirty about Apple's tactics. The iPad 1's will continue to work fine for many, many years. They just won't be receiving FREE updates. I think we can expect to see Mac's fully supported for 6 years and iPad's fully supported for ~3 years (yes iPad 1 will only end up supported for 2.5 years, but I believe from iPad 2 forward the support will last for 3.5 years. This is because Apple has moved to the "last year at $100 cheaper" model). Honestly I think that's a pretty reasonable timeframe to keep those devices. Mobile devices just have faster upgrade cycles. By the time the iPad 4 comes out, any heavy iPad 1 users would probably be looking to upgrade anyway (if they hadn't already).
Uhh...if MS makes money selling software it would make sense for them to drop support much sooner thereby forcing license upgrades, or new computer purchases. Saying they make money on software so it behooves them to support software for a long long time makes absolutely no sense.
It's just products. Hardware or software, does not matter. The sooner a product is "obsolete" the sooner an upgrade is required. It's pretty much a fact that Apple arbitrarily stops supporting devices or computers that are completely capable of running whatever software they are about to release.
Also mobile devices don't HAVE to have a faster upgrade cycle. I mean, I understand why they would, but to do what Apple is doing in this case seems just wrong. I'd like to hear a logical defense for what the thread title is talking about here.
Mad Mac Maniac
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I was referring to this part of your post
That's why microsoft works hard to make their software capable of running of a wide range of hardware. Regarding software support for old software, I think that's mainly because Microsoft needs to because there are millions of people still running it. It would be a PR nightmare (especially with all the businesses running XP). But Apple has no reason to support 8 year old OS's because there are maybe only a few thousand people running it.
You have been given a logical defense (to promote adoption of newer devices). You just don't like it. Apple has every right (and reason) to do this. Are you looking for a technical reason for this limitation? There probably isn't one. Of course I haven't tried running turn-by-turn or flyover on a 3gs or 4, but I'm sure it would be able to run, although more slowly than on the 4s. Maybe they lagged too much for Apples standards, maybe it is entirely holding back features to promote adoption. Most likely it is a combination of the two.
Do you remember the threads and threads of complaints about how slow the iPhone 3G ran iOS 4? There ARE definitely technical limitations of the hardware as software progresses.
Siri is a huge selling point for the 4S... you make it available for the 4 and less people buy the 4S. Why is that so hard to grasp? Nothing dirty, illegal, or whatever about it.
Every android phone even the crappiest ones have turn by turn and voice navigation.
This isn't turn by turn. It's the directions you get just the same as in Google Maps on iOS5.
Turn by turn is what you get on standalone GPSes and apps like Navigon. The default view is kind of floating 3D and most importantly has a voice telling you when and where to turn.
I had Turn by Turn in Google Navigation on my old Epic 4G, which was ok, but required an internet connection, overheated the phone and was a huge power drain.
I now have Navigon on my iPhone 4 and it's great. Despite having to pay for it....
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Yet in my experience, it does bad things to the phone and needs an internet connection, plus the best update usually requires the latest version of Android.
So ... no real incentive for me to upgrade to iOS 6, since my 4G works just fine. I kind of figured that, since most of the update I was reading involved SIRI, SIRI AND MORE SIRI.
Not really wanting, or needing, to shell out another $200 - $400 for a phone right now - particularly given everything else that's happened, financially, this year. :\
Not really wanting, or needing, to shell out another $200 - $400 for a phone right now - particularly given everything else that's happened, financially, this year. :\
They wanna get you on the up-sell. I have an iPad 2 and I too think this is pretty bogus. Considering the amount of power the iPad 3rd Gen requires, it is no faster than the iPad 2.
To be honest, anyone with an iPhone 4 wanting turn by turn directions, would befefit from an app like Waze. Free turn by turn directions with croudsourced info for traffic and stuff.
On my iPhone 4S I am already using TomTom for navigation. It would have been nice to have this feature on iPhone 4 though. My brother (android convert who was used to free google nav) and sister both have the 8GB iPhone 4 so having a ~1.2GB app for navigation is kind of hard to justify with the limited space.
There is hope to enable this with a simple jailbreak tweak in the future. At first it seemed that this was tied into Siri because of the same voice but today I used it while having Siri disabled and I still got the audible turn by turn navigate so I'm hopeful this will come down to iPhone 4 via jailbreak at least.
There is hope to enable this with a simple jailbreak tweak in the future. At first it seemed that this was tied into Siri because of the same voice but today I used it while having Siri disabled and I still got the audible turn by turn navigate so I'm hopeful this will come down to iPhone 4 via jailbreak at least.