Apple is paranoid of everything. Take bluetooth. They're so paranoid about theft that the only thing it's good for at all is covering their paranoia about driving-while-on-the-phone laws. GPS is probably worthless because they're paranoid about being sued when someone gets lost or winds up in an accident because they were paying attention to the phone instead of the two tons of steel they were pretending to control. Apple is probably the largest collection of paranoid ******* in North America. If they exchanged their legal and development departments, the 3G would have been available 6 months earlier with double the number of features, all bug free.
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Turn-by-turn navigation - Why?
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Apple is paranoid of everything. Take bluetooth. They're so paranoid about theft that the only thing it's good for at all is covering their paranoia about driving-while-on-the-phone laws. GPS is probably worthless because they're paranoid about being sued when someone gets lost or winds up in an accident because they were paying attention to the phone instead of the two tons of steel they were pretending to control. Apple is probably the largest collection of paranoid ******* in North America. If they exchanged their legal and development departments, the 3G would have been available 6 months earlier with double the number of features, all bug free.
I love the defense of no turn-by-turn. Its similar to the defense of no A2DP. Its just AAPL dictating what you can or cannot have.
You don't have to look at a dedicated turn-by-turn GPS. It calls turns and other directions out to you, allowing you to keep your eyes on the road or scan for street names on upcoming roads.
The iPhone, by comparison, forces you to shift your entire focus onto a smaller screen with smaller text for every piece of guidance. This just doesn't make sense to me.
My GPS (a low-end Garmin) is pretty good at not sending me the wrong way down a one-way street or the way way into a roundabout, but I don't see how the iPhone's mapping capabilities would save you from this.
At some point, people have to take responsibility for themselves. Blaming something like this on the GPS is just plain ignorant.
A few things that my Garmin can do, but my iPhone can't:
- Re-route if I miss a turn.
- Give me estimated time to arrival, trip odometer, average speed, elapsed time, distance until next turn, distance until destination, and lots more.
- Call turns to me as they approach.
- Tell me when I missed a turn.
- It works when I don't have reliable data coverage from AT&T.
There's more to it, obviously, but that's a good start.
Good call. If a cellphone or GPS company was sued for GPS giving faulty directions, that would be on the front page of the daily news (just like all the other litigation nonsense we hear about).
I don't think it has to do with legalities, but more so due the technological limitation of the iPhone itself. I don't think Apple wants to accept an app that could possibly expose the weaknesses of their phone - this may lead to bad press. Whatever the reason is, it likely comes down to money, not legalities.
I don't want my iPhone telling me what to do. I tell it what to do. And it gives me directions just fine. If you can't find your way with the iPhone's directions, then you probably shouldn't be driving a car to begin with.
I'm guessing that it's not the phone, but Apple. TomTom said the app was done and works great on the iphone, but Apple must be blocking it. There's big money at stake. With my Blackberry, it was $10 a month additional fee for Telenav (which I paid most happily). I think that eventually there will be a turn by turn app from Apple when they can work out the money situation for it ... also AT&T has their own, so that might be messing things up a bit. Apple probably doesn't want another company getting that month to month fee ... they want it in their pockets.
All people are asking for is standard turn by turn directions that would make the gps more useful. It can be used in its current form, but its very cumbersome when compared to other devices, thats all.
The reviews of gmap has been bad. They say its pretty much the same as google maps.
If you can't follow signage like 405 SOUTH RIGHT 3 LANES, then you shouldn't be driving. If you can't read street signs, you shouldn't be driving because that means you also can't read one way signs. If you can't figure out that 101 and 170 are connected for a few miles, you shouldn't be driving. If you need your phone to spoon feed you directions, you shouldn't be driving.
If you can't view this MagicEye, you shouldn't be driving:
Because if you aren't able to focus beyond the display, you will probably end up hitting pedestrians.
The iPhone's current method of giving directions is all anyone ever needs unless they lack the brain capacity to drive. It already gives way too much detail. When I get directions somewhere, I NEVER need to zoom in and look at the turns. Thankfully the DOT has blessed us with signs and lanes making driving easy and doable to the dumbest of people. When your iPhone says to take 99 south to 5 south to 405 south to 118 west and exit Reseda, is it REALLY that difficult that you need your device to tell you when to turn? The street signs aren't enough? Really? You really are incapable of doing that? Really?
God, I hope that if one day they do implement some sort of spoon feed mechanism that talks at me when I'm trying to drive somewhere, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have an off switch. PLEASE.
If you can't follow signage like 405 SOUTH RIGHT 3 LANES, then you shouldn't be driving. If you can't read street signs, you shouldn't be driving because that means you also can't read one way signs. If you can't figure out that 101 and 170 are connected for a few miles, you shouldn't be driving. If you need your phone to spoon feed you directions, you shouldn't be driving.
If you can't view this MagicEye, you shouldn't be driving:
Because if you aren't able to focus beyond the display, you will probably end up hitting pedestrians.
The iPhone's current method of giving directions is all anyone ever needs unless they lack the brain capacity to drive. It already gives way too much detail. When I get directions somewhere, I NEVER need to zoom in and look at the turns. Thankfully the DOT has blessed us with signs and lanes making driving easy and doable to the dumbest of people. When your iPhone says to take 99 south, continue on 5 for 89 miles, then take 405 south to 118 and exit Reseda, is it REALLY that difficult that you need your device to tell you when to turn? The street signs aren't enough? Really? You really are incapable of doing that? Really?
God, I hope that if one day they do implement some sort of spoon feed mechanism that talks at me when I'm trying to drive somewhere, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have an off switch. PLEASE.
wow, have you ever road tripped or tried to navigate a city that you dont know at all? if so you'd understand the convenience of a turn by turn device....mainly you dont have to take your eyes off the road when going 70-80mph to look at a small screen (where the direction youre going is not up either) and read even smaller text. you think thats safe?
theres a reason why i value my garmin. if the iphone can incorporate the garmin features, why not?
please stop defending apple of their very lame gps implemetation
. nevermind, i forgot that to some, apple can do no wrong! heaven forbid people want something apple doesnt provide!soooo you dont need it good for you, but ill take the feature any day as will many others
wow, have you ever road tripped or tried to navigate a city that you dont know at all? if so you'd understand the convenience of a turn by turn device....mainly you dont have to take your eyes off the road when going 70-80mph to look at a small screen and read even smaller text. you think thats safe?
theres a reason why i value my garmin. if the iphone can incorporate the garmin features, why not?
please stop defending apple of their very lame gps implemetation
soooo you dont need it good for you, but ill take the feature any day as will many others
If you can't memorize something like like 99 to 5 to 405 to 118, then you need to see a doctor. If you can't navigate an unknown city based on signs, then you need turn in your drivers license.
theres a reason why i value my garmin. if the iphone can incorporate the garmin features, why not?
please stop defending apple of their very lame gps implemetation
soooo you dont need it good for you, but ill take the feature any day as will many others
heh you cant argue with some people who are convinced aapl can do no wrong. Probably once enough people complain they will allow TomTom (and possibly Garmin) to release their app.
if you cant tolerate opinions that differ from your own and instead imply that people wanting this functionality are "stupid" or "need to go to a doctor" is utterly immature
your posts on this have no rational and are absurd as you are insulting anyone who finds a turn by turn a nice tool to have
i used to randy mcnally map it and google map it back in the day and having turn by turn is like a gift from another world.
true story
This is your retort? That I am somehow defending Apple of some wrong doing? I scoff. My dislike of turn-by-turn is genuine.
I never used the word "stupid," however I do understand your irritation and feeling of insult, but that is not my fault. I didn't buy a phone that was known not to have turn-by-turn expecting to get turn-by-turn.
The rationale in my posts is quite simple, but I wouldn't expect a turn-by-turn user to understand it or accept it.
Of course you can figure it out yourself, but do you want to? No, why be confused when you don't have to.
You could use the "you don't need it" argument for any technology. It's about making it clear and easy, not just getting it done. Most people don't care about proving they can drive without GPS, so they have no reason not to use a tool to make it easier for them.
You could use the "you don't need it" argument for any technology. It's about making it clear and easy, not just getting it done. Most people don't care about proving they can drive without GPS, so they have no reason not to use a tool to make it easier for them.
I'm not expecting it either. However, I wouldn't mind having it as it has the capability. Why are you opposed to additional capability to the iphone?
Your rational? I have yet to hear anything but personal opinion that happens to insult anyone who might want this device to go get checked out by a doctor and shouldn't be driving in the first place
Why not extend your argument and ask why maps are even necessary in the first place? Surely there are signs to to navigate one if they get lost......
Yeah, why put any effort into driving at all? Wouldn't want to learn a thing or two. Maybe if you did that once or twice it wouldn't be so confusing to you.
How is a synthesized voice description of what to do more clear than this?
Well, then why are you on a message board complaining about it?
That is an unanswerable loaded question.
If you don't understand how everything I've said is based on logic, then that is because you are illogical. Something is profoundly wrong with a person, physiologically, if they are unable to memorize a few directions or if they are unable to comprehend road signs. I would categorize those types of people has hazardous. They don't belong on the road. It's quite simple, really.
The road would be littered with signs listing every city in the state and which way to go, that is quite unnecessary. Road signs pertain to major cities and streets in their general proximity. If you can't drive from San Diego, CA to Sacramento, CA without using a map, then you don't belong on the road. Every necessary step of the way has directions on the signs. There're also mile markers on the side of the road so you know how much longer.
Maybe if you drove in unfamiliar territory once or twice, youd realize how nice having turn by turn is
How is a synthesized voice description of what to do more clear than this?
A lot clearer. For one, you don't have to look at a screen as it tells you what street to turn on.
I forgot, its a sin to ever suggest an improvement for an apple product to some such as yourself. I'm not complaining either. Read my posts please
Well you are arguing against added functionality in this case.
No, your supposed "logic" is nothing more than personal opinion that is insulting and unnecessary. Nice try though
Your point being? I dont use turn by turn to drive to Denver or around areas I know. However I do use it when I have no idea how to get to where I'm going, such as when I travel across the US.
I'd guess because it's not something you can sue over. That doesn't mean Apple isn't paranoid about it. Why is the iPhone implementation of bluetooth so braindead? That standard has only been around for about 1000 years. Surely Apple can afford a developer who could write a real bluetooth stack. Hell, it's not theirs to start with. They took an existing stack and choked it until it was retarded. I use TomTom on my Tilt all the time and it works beautifully while Jobs says, if I recall correctly, that the iPhone isn't up to the task of a real GPS app. Is the iPhone really that weak and underpowered that run of the mill Windows Mobile phone runs circles around it or is Jobs full of crap and it's "Apple Uber Alles", period? It's one or the other.
If you can't follow signage like 405 SOUTH RIGHT 3 LANES, then you shouldn't be driving. If you can't read street signs, you shouldn't be driving because that means you also can't read one way signs. If you can't figure out that 101 and 170 are connected for a few miles, you shouldn't be driving. If you need your phone to spoon feed you directions, you shouldn't be driving.
If you can't view this MagicEye, you shouldn't be driving:
Because if you aren't able to focus beyond the display, you will probably end up hitting pedestrians.
The iPhone's current method of giving directions is all anyone ever needs unless they lack the brain capacity to drive. It already gives way too much detail. When I get directions somewhere, I NEVER need to zoom in and look at the turns. Thankfully the DOT has blessed us with signs and lanes making driving easy and doable to the dumbest of people. When your iPhone says to take 99 south to 5 south to 405 south to 118 west and exit Reseda, is it REALLY that difficult that you need your device to tell you when to turn? The street signs aren't enough? Really? You really are incapable of doing that? Really?
God, I hope that if one day they do implement some sort of spoon feed mechanism that talks at me when I'm trying to drive somewhere, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have an off switch. PLEASE.
so there is no need for improvement?
That is the only logical explanation. Why would anyone have disdain for turn by turn to the effect that they support aapl's decision not to allow it? Thats akin to saying I wish they didnt include GPS at all because cell triangulation was good enough... or What do you need gps for, dont you have a map?
Fact: Even if you don't like turn by turn, a dedicated navigation program is much easier to read than google maps, and has a much cleaner interface
Fact: Turn-by-turn is even safer since the device will tell you (if you so desire) where and when to turn, and you dont have to take your eyes off the road.
You can disagree with these two facts if you so desire, but it makes then no less valid, and why someone would advocate a position of less options for their device is beyond me, but feel free if you must.
Oh one story.. a few years ago I was driving through Atlanta, and despite doing this trip multiple times before found my self on i-85 after a split instead of the correct i-75. well crap..i screwed up. I got off the first exit to turn around and it was a freakin maze. Thank god my dedicated garmin gps rerouted me and got me through the most bizarre maze to get back on the interstate correctly. Turn-by-turn was money well spent that day, otherwise I would have been lost in an unfamiliar area that was not the best in atlanta.
Sounds like another lonely Friday night for Apple and their "multi-touch glove"...