Twitter, eBay, Airbnb, Reddit and More Officially Supporting Apple in FBI Fight [Updated]

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    Sixteen technology companies today teamed up to officially support Apple in its ongoing encryption dispute with the FBI, a copy of which has been shared by Apple. Twitter, Airbnb, eBay, LinkedIn, Square, Atlassian, Automattic, Cloudflare, GitHub, Kickstarter, Mapbox, Meetup, Reddit, Squarespace, Twilio, and Wickr filed an amicus brief [PDF] backing Apple's assertion that the FBI's use of the All Writs Act to force Apple to help the government unlock the iPhone used by San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook is both unprecedented and dangerous.

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    The filing, which urges the court to vacate the government's motion to compel Apple to unlock the phone, argues that handling user data in a "safe, secure, and transparent manner" that protects privacy is of the "utmost importance" to protect consumers from hackers and other wrongdoers, while also recognizing the government's "important work" in law enforcement and national security. It says the companies oppose forced backdoors, but will continue to comply with "proper and reasonable" requests for data.

    Dozens of technology companies, industry trade groups, and encryption experts have been submitting documents to support Apple, all catalogued on Apple's website. AT&T, Intel, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation filed separate amicus briefs this morning, as did the Consumer Technology Association in partnership with the Business Software Alliance [PDF], a group that includes Microsoft, Salesforce, Oracle, IBM, and Autodesk.

    Other amicus briefs have come from Access Now and the Wickr Foundation, ACT/The App Association, the American Civil Liberties Union, and a group of cryptography experts including Jonathan Zdziarski.

    More amicus briefs are expected to be filed throughout the day, including one from a consortium that includes Google, Nest Labs, Facebook, WhatsApp, Evernote, Snapchat, and Mozilla.

    All "Friend of the court" or amicus briefs supporting Apple are due by Thursday evening to give Sheri Pym, the judge presiding over the case, time to read through them before a court hearing. Apple is set to face off against the FBI in court on Tuesday, March 22.

    Update: As expected, another consortium of technology companies that includes Google, Amazon, Box, Cisco, Dropbox, Evernote, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Mozilla, Nest, Pinterest, Slack, Snapchat, Whatsapp, and Yahoo has submitted an amicus brief in support of Apple.

    Additional amicus briefs have been filed by the Center for Democracy & Technology, The Media Institute, Privacy International and Human Rights Watch, a group of 32 law professors, and a consortium including AVG Technologies, Data Foundry, Golden Frog, the Computer & Communications Industry Association, the Internet Association, and the Internet Infrastructure Coalition.

    Five families of San Bernardino victims have filed in support of the FBI.

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    Article Link: Twitter, eBay, Airbnb, Reddit and More Officially Supporting Apple in FBI Fight [Updated]
     
  2. Goldfrapp macrumors 601

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    I wonder if FBI will join these companies too.
     
  3. CFreymarc Suspended

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    This had to have been one hell of a meeting up at the Olympic Club in San Francisco!

    Notice that Microsoft nor Google are on the list.
     
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    Yes they did:

    Dozens of technology companies, industry trade groups, and encryption experts have been submitting documents to support Apple, all catalogued on Apple's website. AT&T, Intel, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation filed separate amicus briefs this morning, as did the Consumer Technology Association in partnership with the Business Software Alliance [PDF], a group that includes Microsoft, Salesforce, Oracle, IBM, and Autodesk.

    More amicus briefs are expected to be filed throughout the day, including one from a consortium that includes Google, Nest Labs, Facebook, WhatsApp, Evernote, Snapchat, and Mozilla.
     
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    Question for any of the resident lawyers here.

    Can a member of Congress file an amicus brief for a given case?

    I ask, because during the hearing on Tuesday, Rep. Darrell Issa ripped James Comey a new one, even though Issa's suggestion for methods of getting the data off the phone is still roughly 10 years out of date (though logically sound).

    From the looks of things, he's skeptical of the FBI's stance on this, and if he were to outright support Apple on this, could he be within grounds of filing an amicus brief for the court, or would his membership in Congress put him in a conflict of interest?

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    My son bought me a Fire TV Stick for the holidays and I stopped using that because Amazon dropped their encryption today.
     
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    They both stated they supported Apple earlier. Mentioned in the article above, the consortiums they are apart of are indeed backing Apple.
     
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    Issa's criminal roots make him great for things like this. While most Congress critters are above the law, he knows what it's like to be on the other side.
     
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    Wow... basically everyone who is anyone in digital data or document handling are lining up on this one. Very good to see! In fact, I may be missing some, but Adobe is the only "800 lb gorilla" I don't see here.
     
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    Maybe short attention span due to todays habit of media people hammering us with the same topic for days,
    BUT I think it's time to just wait for March 22.

    Everything has been said and done, short of decrypting that phone (which IMO has nothing of substance in it)
     
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    Even the family of a Muslim victim of the shooting in San Bernadino are siding with Apple...

    (Salihin) Kondoker, whose wife, Anies, was shot three times at the holiday party where Syed Rizwan Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, killed 14 people, appealed personally to Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym, arguing that the decision in this case is not just about the FBI’s investigation.

    “When I first learned Apple was opposing the order I was frustrated that it would be yet another roadblock,” he wrote. “But as I read more about their case, I have come to understand their fight is for something much bigger than one phone. They are worried that this software the government wants them to use will be used against millions of other innocent people. I share their fear.”
     
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    Although heart warming, it's doubtful this impressive wave of support will sway our lawmakers.

    I believe only a collective groundswell of grass-roots opposition can stave off conceivable 'back-door' legislation that will have incalculable consequences for personal privacy.
     
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    they really struck gold with the whole 'terrorists' line of reasoning. even the cold war came to a finite end. but 'terror' lives on for as long as mankind does.
     
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    Companies showing their social justice outrage, because silence = condoning it (learned from BLM) and saying something is great piggyback advertising.
     
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    As Tim Cook said in one of his interviews, it's weird that Apple esentially has to break the american law and rights, for the FBI
     
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    To be fair, Google is part of a consortium filing a brief. :rolleyes:
     
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    Obviously you are reading only the title then go comment.
     
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    That is a lot of support to hide people's p*rn.
     
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    Oh, and Oculus said they will support Apple in the ongoing dispute when they improve their graphics hardware.
     
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    Who needs the Pentagon when we've got Silicon Valley?
     
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    Google is there but it's like when you're little brother says he has your back but runs at the first sign of trouble.
     
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    Most corporation will never stand against the government. Why? because payback is hell. So rejoice while it lasts because it will not last long.
     
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    I have very mixed feelings on this issue. I don't think Apple should be forced to write software for the government. I'm more bothered by that than I am by the idea of decrypting the phone. No doubt this is one of the main reasons so many companies are supporting Apple. Once the government can demand that Apple write code for them, they can demand it of anyone.

    That said, the idea that we, as a society, should accept that phones, computers, and other digital devices protected by strong encryption are 100% private zones is like saying we should allow rooms the government may never, under any circumstance, access in a home. We're essentially saying that the individual's right to privacy trumps EVERYTHING. I was listening to Sam Harris the other day and he calls the obsession with privacy a new religion, one he deems just as dangerous as existing God-based ones. I can see his point.

    If the FBI knows that X is a pedophile and has shoeboxes full of kiddie porn pictures in a room at his house, should they not be allowed to serve a warrant and search the home? Should X have the right to an unsearchable room in his home? What if X is found dead and the only way to bust the child porn ring is by searching that room? I think most sensible people would find it absurd not to search the room. But, instead, X has all of his child porn on his encrypted phone and there's no way to access it, even though the need is completely legitimate. I find this very troubling.

    The only sensible way forward that I see is for companies like Apple to become key masters, something they, understandably, don't want to do. If they don't move in that direction, however, government will start to legislate and it will be a disaster. If Apple provides unbreakable encryption on their phone, they should store the key and be able to provide it when served with a legal search warrant. If they do this, they short-circuit the need for legislation. Otherwise we are guaranteed to see a day when every tech company, every online service, must log everything and somehow provide the government with access. And when that day comes, the burden will be far more onerous and loss of privacy far greater than if these companies got proactive now and came up with a reasonable solution.
     
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    This is why the nation is divided on this issue in a nutshell - ignorance. Its even worse when so many people only look at news and article headlines and don't read the damn articles.

    Even he understands that there is probably nothing useful on this phone anyway. I know the FBI knows there is probably nothing on the phone either - but this isn't just about one phone.
     

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