Twitter Said to Re-Launch Verification Program Next Week

[Tubamajuba]

You think it's misinformation, others think it fact. None are omniscient superiors with a moral right & obligation to silence others. The best way to resolve it is polite discourse, reviewing details and hashing out mutually recognized truth. Declaring "I'll walk away from debating it further" is fine insofar as you're not silencing others; actively blocking others from speaking is the problem, preventing polite discourse and leading (eventually) to use of force.

"'When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say." What, chenks, do you fear I might say?

(BTW: on election night, we did hear announcement that Cobb County GA was halting vote-counting at 10:30pm, to resume at 8AM. We did a double-take, wondering what shady event was transpiring. Soon after, surveillance video was published showing that vote counting resumed, involving then-unexplained boxfuls of votes, after the election observers left. ...but you'd just declare that "mis-information" and cancel me for it, denying my objective experience because it contradicts your chosen narrative.)

Facts are true. Misinformation is false. You don’t get to decide that certain things you “believe” are facts when they have been proven wrong.

For example, there is no proof of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. That is a fact, and to suggest otherwise is promoting misinformation. Twitter and all other social media networks have the right to stop the spread of misinformation. If you don’t like that, you can start your own social media network. You can’t force anyone to sell you servers or bandwidth, of course.

Freedom and capitalism!

 

[ctdonath]

Facts are true. Misinformation is false. You don’t get to decide that certain things you “believe” are facts when they have been proven wrong.

For example, there is no proof of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. That is a fact, and to suggest otherwise is promoting misinformation. Twitter and all other social media networks have the right to stop the spread of misinformation.

Behold a prime example of the problem: Tubamajuba, having set up a straw man holding a designated stance, concludes it's OK to "cancel" me for an imputed view I don't hold. No room to clarify & debate, no interest in correcting mis-construing of my position, just unilateral declaration of a designated transgression punishable by cancellation by self-appointed arbiters of "fact checking".

American culture has long held the value of open debate: that if there is a disagreement, both sides are free to speak & discuss, that truth will prevail. Instead, Tubamajuba has declared "no proof" and "misinformation", ignoring my detailing objective evidence of fraud without addressing it, and recommending my cancellation.

Yes, private social media may decide to deny their "press" to some for whatever reason. Doing so on the basis they have of late is dangerous to their business' longevity and to social integrity. Interesting, as it's the "party of understanding, tolerance, and diversity" that seeks to rapidly silence opposing views rather than debate and come to a mutual conclusion.

 

[Tubamajuba]

Behold a prime example of the problem: Tubamajuba, having set up a straw man holding a designated stance, concludes it's OK to "cancel" me for an imputed view I don't hold. No room to clarify & debate, no interest in correcting mis-construing of my position, just unilateral declaration of a designated transgression punishable by cancellation by self-appointed arbiters of "fact checking".

American culture has long held the value of open debate: that if there is a disagreement, both sides are free to speak & discuss, that truth will prevail. Instead, Tubamajuba has declared "no proof" and "misinformation", ignoring my detailing objective evidence of fraud without addressing it, and recommending my cancellation.

Yes, private social media may decide to deny their "press" to some for whatever reason. Doing so on the basis they have of late is dangerous to their business' longevity and to social integrity. Interesting, as it's the "party of understanding, tolerance, and diversity" that seeks to rapidly silence opposing views rather than debate and come to a mutual conclusion.

I am not recommending that you be cancelled. I'm just saying that if you post lies on social media sites, those lies will be taken down. If you repeatedly post said lies, then yes, your account may be banned.

But no, you're not being cancelled. You're (presumably) an American and therefore you have the 1st amendment right of free speech. Nobody is mandated to host and/or amplify your opinions, however.

 

[JungeQuex]

The blue check system is an endorsement system, through and through. If it was only a means to identify famous people as being who they actually are, they wouldn’t remove the blue check for political views which go against their corporate morality.

 

[AussieStu]

People still use Twitter? Wow, thought that platform would be dead by now.

 

[Lihp8270]

Behold a prime example of the problem: Tubamajuba, having set up a straw man holding a designated stance, concludes it's OK to "cancel" me for an imputed view I don't hold. No room to clarify & debate, no interest in correcting mis-construing of my position, just unilateral declaration of a designated transgression punishable by cancellation by self-appointed arbiters of "fact checking".

American culture has long held the value of open debate: that if there is a disagreement, both sides are free to speak & discuss, that truth will prevail. Instead, Tubamajuba has declared "no proof" and "misinformation", ignoring my detailing objective evidence of fraud without addressing it, and recommending my cancellation.

Yes, private social media may decide to deny their "press" to some for whatever reason. Doing so on the basis they have of late is dangerous to their business' longevity and to social integrity. Interesting, as it's the "party of understanding, tolerance, and diversity" that seeks to rapidly silence opposing views rather than debate and come to a mutual conclusion.

I’m not an American so our coverage is certainly less prominent.

But I’ve yet to see any evidence shown of fraudulent voting. So while debating and platforms to do so are important, as we need to be exposed to different viewpoints. Strongly opinions held loosely is how it should be.

However, when posting as “fact” you have to be prepared to back up that statement. It is near impossible to prove a negative so those claiming something is or happened should be able to show evidence of that.

Debate is healthy, but good debate relies on being able to show the basis of your beliefs

 

[mansplains]

I know right? Because Android is so horrible. How dear someone other than Apple make a great mobile operating system.

They've had plenty of opportunity... Google is finally rolling out RCS, closest iMessage competition, the exciting new way to communicate that's been out since... 2007?

To be fair, Android has had far too many messaging apps between the stock SMS apps LG/Samsung include and others like Google Hangouts. It makes it difficult to set a standard and have everyone adopt it, whilst iMessage and SMS are handled by a stock app on Apple's end.