Two HomePods are NOT a Soundbar

[Karnicopia]

LO f'n L. If nothing else makes it clear to others that you have no clue, it should be the first bolded remark.

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/surround-sound-speaker-setup/7-1-setup.html

As for the second bolded remark, so now we're not even talking about the HomePod anymore? Certainly not as it exists today, which is what this thread is about.

how-to-set-up-5.1-speaker-home-theater-system

Surround Speakers
And lastly, the surround speakers. Per Dolby and DTS standards, your surround speakers should be 90-110 degrees off center, directly to the side or just a little but behind your seating position. Also, as opposed to our front speakers, the tweeter of the surround speakers should be 2-3 feet above ear-level when seated as this makes it them harder to localize. In other words, it makes it harder to hear exactly where the sound is coming from, which creates a more realistic surround field. This will likely necessitate wall mounting or using tall stands.

Keep laughing and insulting but you may want to try and disprove any one of my points. You don't want them firing directly into the listening position you you want them going above the listing position and listening to the de localized surround content which audyssey is already fully capable of calibrating. Again yes you are talking about a home pod again the only difference between a wall and a ceiling is the orientation of the speaker. What is difficult about changing the orientation of the speaker? It's a hell of a lot easier than drilling and wiring 5 holes in the ceiling would be.

 

[vipergts2207]

how-to-set-up-5.1-speaker-home-theater-system

Surround Speakers
And lastly, the surround speakers. Per Dolby and DTS standards, your surround speakers should be 90-110 degrees off center, directly to the side or just a little but behind your seating position. Also, as opposed to our front speakers, the tweeter of the surround speakers should be 2-3 feet above ear-level when seated as this makes it them harder to localize. In other words, it makes it harder to hear exactly where the sound is coming from, which creates a more realistic surround field. This will likely necessitate wall mounting or using tall stands.

Keep laughing and insulting but you may want to try and disprove any one of my points. You don't want them firing directly into the listening position you you want them going above the listing position and listening to the de localized surround content which audyssey is already fully capable of calibrating. Again yes you are talking about a home pod again the only difference between a wall and a ceiling is the orientation of the speaker. What is difficult about changing the orientation of the speaker? It's a hell of a lot easier than drilling and wiring 5 holes in the ceiling would be.

With respect to horizontal positioning yes they should absolutely face the MLP, though elevated vertically above ear level. Just exactly as mine are at home and as the Dolby link I posted indicates, if you actually bothered to read it.

You also don’t need to drill holes in the ceiling if you use PROPERLY designed Atmos speakers.

I’ve already refuted your other points with respect to reflections and that they won’t work how you’re proposing. It’s almost like talking to a brick wall. I’m out.

 

[Karnicopia]

With respect to horizontal positioning yes they should absolutely face the MLP, though elevated vertically above ear level. Just exactly as mine are at home and as the Dolby link I posted indicates, if you actually bothered to read it.

You also don’t need to drill holes in the ceiling if you use PROPERLY designed Atmos speakers.

I’ve already refuted your other points with respect to reflections and that they won’t work how you’re proposing. It’s almost like talking to a brick wall. I’m out.

I'm not sure what you think you've proven about reflecting sound but what that is saying is if you put your tweeter 2 - 3 feet above the listening position and fire them over the listening position to create de localized sound what exactly do you think you are listening to? The reason to do this is to create de localized sound through the room reflections. The only way to create de localized sound through a mono pole is through room reflections. That's why it sounds de localized is you are listening to the many reflections instead of the single tweeter that's the entire point. Audyssey calibrates that with both amplitude and time delay to make that reflected sound reach the listening position at the correct time and volume. The idea that reflections somehow don't have the ability to be EQ'ed by Audyssey is complete BS thats the way surrounds are supposed to operate and have for a long time that is nothing new. The only difference between that and what I'm suggesting is instead of aimlessly blasting sound out into the room in one direction you direct it where it needs to go by amplifying directional waves like the HomePod is already doing. Amplifying and dealing with the delay associated with reflections is no issue and the purpose of software like Audyssey in the first place is to do exactly this.

I'd actually be interested to hear how you can put in ceiling speakers in without actually putting them in the ceiling. I thought that's where this whole thing started was you comparing this concept to in ceiling speakers. You have to at least power the things right?

 

[vipergts2207]

The idea that reflections somehow don't have the ability to be EQ'ed by Audyssey is complete BS.

Just pointing out for posterity that I did NOT in fact say this. For those unaware, that’s exactly part of the point of Audyssey, to account for and compensate for (not to create, as karnicopia claims) reflections and general room response to end up with a flat frequency response at the MLP.

From the horse’s mouth:

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212342903-Time-Domain-correction-explained

“You are right that there is no way to control the sound after it leaves the speaker. However, we can measure the effects of the reflections that arrive after the direct sound by looking at the time domain response. It has a certain pattern to it that will depend on the time of arrival of those reflections. Based on that pattern and the similarity of patterns across multiple measured locations we can identify the problems caused by reflections. Then, a filter is created to invert those problems as best as possible.”

I'd actually be interested to hear how you can put in ceiling speakers in without actually putting them in the ceiling. I thought that's where this whole thing started was you comparing this concept to in ceiling speakers. You have to at least power the things right?

http://www.klipsch.com/products/elevation-speakers?model=rp-140sa

 

[Karnicopia]

Just pointing out for posterity that I did NOT in fact say this. For those unaware, that’s exactly part of the point of Audyssey, to account for and compensate for (not to create, as karnicopia claims) reflections and general room response to end up with a flat frequency response at the MLP.

From the horse’s mouth:

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212342903-Time-Domain-correction-explained

“You are right that there is no way to control the sound after it leaves the speaker. However, we can measure the effects of the reflections that arrive after the direct sound by looking at the time domain response. It has a certain pattern to it that will depend on the time of arrival of those reflections. Based on that pattern and the similarity of patterns across multiple measured locations we can identify the problems caused by reflections. Then, a filter is created to invert those problems as best as possible.”



http://www.klipsch.com/products/elevation-speakers?model=rp-140sa

What you said was that reflections would be too weak because of the inverse square law well clearly Audyssey is able to calibrate both the amplitude and time because as you admit this is the purpose of audyssey. You then had some kind of LOL fest because you thought surrounds should fire directly into the listening position instead of reflecting sound which how they are supposed to operate and honestly the main reason speakers like bi-poles exist in the first place. So it clearly has absolutely no problem EQ'ing reflections because that's how it's EQing surrounds today and has done this for a very long time. Audyssey wouldn't be creating any reflections the home pod would be directing sound using the tweeter array like it is today. All the calibration software does is tell you how loud and how long to delay the sound so it sounds correct at the listening position. Atmos tells you exactly where sounds should come from. The HomePod would direct sounds to those locations instead of trying to install and power a bunch of speakers. It isn't unicorn physics each of these are proven to work independently it's just a matter of putting them together.