Two major reasons to dislike the new iPad Pro 9.7"

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  1. Shirtin, Mar 22, 2016
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    Shirtin macrumors member

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    [THREAD SHUTDOWN DUE TO 2GB RAM] (Feel free to read just for the LOLZ)

    There are many good points of the new iPad such as a9x, pencil support, four speakers, and updated cameras. Then down comes the hammer with one of my points being praised as a feature.

    1. The price hike slaps long time users of iPads and kills the momentum of enthusiasm. After 5 years of having a set price point they decide to charge even more? Newsflash technology gets cheaper especially after a product has matured. Good point is the retina display in the iPad 3 which was revolutionary at the time and 4g lte.

    2. [EDIT: Rumors point that this can be turned off] The true tone display is really a hinderance to people who buy this product. This iPad is for professionals that want to draw with the apple pencil. How are artists and professional photographers supposed to know the actual color of their own masterpiece? Of course this bullet point is mute if they have an option to turn this off.

    Extra point: The camera hump... I rather they lower the megapixels to make it flush because it would make the iPad lay flat for drawing purposes.


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    It's weird to explain to people that the iPad Pro is NEW when most people think about the 12.9". It features 4+ months of old technology and usually the 9.7" models have the bleeding edge tech. Also the speakers are twice as small...

    In the end, Apple raises the price while we get old hardware! That makes me uneasy...
     
  2. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    1) yes. It's definitely a personal insult to you. Just short of Tim Cook taking a crap in your Cheerios. Kidding...
    But really, I would speculate that the changes the leadership at Apple wanted to make to the smaller iPad were so drastic that they had to increase the price to accommodate. I could be wrong here...but the iPad Pro has ALOT of upgrades over the iPad Air 2. Like...more than you would see in the typical yearly update. A 4 speaker system, new screen that works with the Apple Pencil, smart connector, 12 mp back camera WITH flash and updated front camera, etc. Among many other updates...I don't know. It's a big upgrade. Maybe they couldn't cram everything in and be able to be happy selling it for the usual $500. If they left something out, like pencil support or the 4 speaker system to cut costs, it would feel like Apple is holding back features.

    2) I don't really care about true tone. My opinion might change when I actually get to use it in the iPad Pro 2, but that's such a minor upgrade that I don't even know how people can be upset it's not in last year's iPad Pro.
     
  3. Shirtin thread starter macrumors member

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    I think you overdosed on the Apple koolaid...
     
  4. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    So your non kool aided perspective is what? That Apple is purposefully just trying to rip you off? Maybe angering a bunch of customers is great for repeat business? What?
     
  5. ProjectManager101 Suspended

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    Mark my words... Apple is going to have a very bad quarter. The new iPhones looks the same, there is no reason to get a new one.

    iPads... market is flooded already and there are no reason to get a new one. I have an iPad 4 and there is no way a new iPad can give me a better experience.

    In other words, Apple just released the same line up again, is obvious there is not innovation, but there is not even progress.
     
  6. sflomenb macrumors 6502a

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    1 is valid. 2 is not since I believe you can simply disable it.
     
  7. Beavix macrumors 6502a

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    One major reason to dislike the new iPad Pro 9.7": size does matter.
    Mine is bigger. :D
     
  8. s2mikey macrumors 68020

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    The pricing thing is irritating. I mean hey "upped" the base storage but not really since the extra $100 would have bought that extra storage at the old base prices. Or something like that.

    At least they died NOT use the same LTE config as the 12.9" pro where you could only get LTE on the highest end storage models. phew! :)
     
  9. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    IMO, if that's your only response you have for someone who took the time to give you the specific reasons behind their opinion, it might be better to just keep it to yourself.
     
  10. ZombiePete macrumors 68020

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    I think it depends on whether or not this is meant to be a replacement to the iPad Air or not. Obviously whether it kills enthusiasm is an individual consumer issue and not a wide-ranging problem, but ultimately I am very curious to see whether or not the Air line is dead. If so, I think they're making a mistake.

    It's moot. And yes, you can turn it off.

    100% agree. I don't know one single person who would rather have the camera bump than a slightly-thicker iPad/iPhone.
     
  11. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    I agree with you on thinking that killing the Air line would be a big mistake.

    Until then, they've dropped the price of the Air line by $100, which I think will fuel enthusiasm for some folks with older iPads (1st gen/2nd gen) who are looking to upgrade.
     
  12. russ99 macrumors member

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    True tone is an enhancement for artists and designers. It's very tricky to tell actual color without white being real white. This enhancement along with iPad Pro using color profiles will result in accurate color in neutral studio light, bad flourescent light and indirect sunlight.
     
  13. Shirtin thread starter macrumors member

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    Ok the iPad 3 had ram increase, new redesigned processor, retina display, 4g LTE, better camera. That is arguably more game changing than the new features of the new 9.7" iPad Pro.

    The true tone issue is not that the 12.9" Pro doesn't have that ability. It is that ability that could hinder the workload of a professional user hence the PRO part of the iPad. Unless you can disable that feature.
     
  14. joeblow7777, Mar 22, 2016
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    True tone can be toggled on/off in settings. I saw a tech reviewer do it in a demo.
     
  15. family_guy macrumors newbie

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    I think Apple has a profit margin they won't go below and with everything packed into the Pro, they couldn't hit that profit margin at $499. I suppose they could have given you a device with 2GB of ram and 16GB of storage, but they probably have bigger plans for the future of iOS and I see no point in building throw away devices that can't use the latest features or are limited by storage.
     
  16. sracer macrumors 603

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    An ad hominem attack marks the end of a person's argument.

    The price of a 128GB 9.7 iPP is only $50 more than the price of a 128GB Air 2 (before they discontinued the 128GB Air 2). $50 more for the internals of the larger iPad Pro in a smaller chassis is something to get torqued up over?

    You go on to rag on TrueTone but didn't even wait to see how well it works or if it can be disabled (it can).

    I don't know why you are emotionally charged by this new iPad Pro, but it certainly seems to be emotions.
     
  17. Serban Suspended

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    Wtf ipad air 3 is called now the ipad pro
    The ipad air 2 will still be sold until the next neg ipads
    Air was the name for how thin and light it was , but the pro is just like that, but thanks to its capabilities and accessories now its called the pro
    So next year bye bye the air name from the list of macbooks and ipads

    The price is not an issue since you have lower price points if you want an ipad or you have a lots of android with lower price
     
  18. AttilaTheHun macrumors 6502a

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    Why they just kept it the same like the iPad pro 13" and made it 9.7" your point with the camera is very good the only way to over come this is to put the iPad in a case
     
  19. hval macrumors member

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    I don't think that I have ever used the camera on any of the iPads I have had. From a personal point of view if the camera were to be removed I wouldn't be bothered. I can understand the camera for Facetiming though.
     
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    I've used the rear camera to take pictures of documents that I wanted to "scan", so I appreciate the utility of having it.
     
  21. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    2012
    $599 - 32GB iPad 3

    2016
    $599 - 32GB iPad Pro 9.7"
    $599 - 64GB iPad Air
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    I rarely use the rear camera, but I've seen posts from realtors, folks that sell on eBay, etc that make use of it, so glad it's there for the folks that could use it. Always seemed dumb to have it that far behind what the iPhone was shipping with.
     
  22. Krevnik macrumors 68040

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    Yup, there are places where it is handy. I just wonder what they were thinking in balancing their needs and Pencil users. Are we at least going to get a smart cover or something that will let it lay flat without needing a case?
     
  23. bufffilm macrumors 68040

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    #1 is laughable and not even worth talking/arguing about.

    #2 I agree with.

    True tone is of zero interest to me. As is the upgraded camera. I'm not even factoring those two upgrades on whether I should get the Air2 or the Pro 9.7".

    An Air2 64gb for $500 is a pretty good deal. A Pro 9.7" 128gb is $750.

    A pretty sizable difference for only 64gb more.

    Yes, the pro has nicer speakers, but I already have BT speakers and they actually have more battery life on a single charge than either the Air2 or Pro.

    Consider carefully, people...instead of being sucked in the "new iPad has got to be better" yokel.
     
  24. Shirtin, Mar 22, 2016
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    That ad hominem attack was warranted because he failed to address my examples like the iPad 3 and didn't even mention how true tone is a negative.

    To be fair Apple's keynote for the iPad was really lacking. They usually have graphs of performance improvements. It's also weird to explain to people that the iPad Pro is NEW when most people think about the 12.9". To be fair this product was put in a weird spot. It features 4+ months of old technology and usually the 9.7" models have the bleeding edge tech. Also the speakers are twice as small...

    In the end, Apple raises the price while we get old hardware! That makes me uneasy...
     
  25. mrklaw macrumors 65816

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    They could easily have kept a lower spec camera - its a tablet, not a smartphone. And even more, its a 'pro' tablet so you'll be scanning your receipts, not taking pics at the park. That would have kept the cost down and kept it flat so it didn't wobble on a table while you're trying to draw on it.

    Pencil support and smart connector are ways to sell more accessories with high margin. Smart connector especially shouldn't be a high cost item. Pencil support might be though, seems pretty good tech in there.

    Speakers are nice and overdue after the vibrating screen on the Air 2 (ugh).

    Overall I feel they could have made a pro with a $499 pricepoint, but chose to go for margin over volume which I hope isnt' a mistake for them, given the relatively flat ipad sales. Maybe we'll see a $100 price cut on both the pro 9.7 and 12.9 within the next 12 months?
     

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