Two New iPods, Four New Mac Configurations

[LANcaster]

Ok I am a bit confused on everything about the G5.

1.Isn't the PowerMac already Dual Core(meaning two cores in one CPU) or does it just have 2 G5 CPU's?

2. What do you mean by quad? Is it 4 actual CPU's? Or two CPU's that both have 2 different cores?

3.Is hyperthreading mean it is one CPU that has four cores?

4.I think I understand but am just getting mixed up....someone please enlighten me.

1) Current PowerMac models have 2 separate G5 CPUs which are single-core.

2) Could potentially mean either as it essentially boils down to the same thing, although two dual-core CPUs is more likely than 4 single-core chips. Either way its 4 logical cores.

3) Hyperthreading is Intel's marketing term for a technology that improves processor performance under certain workloads by providing useful work for execution units that would otherwise be idle, for example during a cache miss. When running optimal code it is like having double the number of logical units, but in practice this level of efficiency is very rarely achieved.

4) Hope that helped!

Edit: doh! Beaten to it!

 

[iQuit]

The dilemma for me on a 17" PowerBook

1.I need it for 3 years
2.The non XGA screens
3.The G4 processor that can't even support the 64bit OS it uses
4.It is exspensive when with a PC laptop you get a lot more
5.It doesn't have a go 7800 graphics card, even DELL has
6.I love Mac (switched in Sept.)
7.The Intel Switch
8.I've been waiting since March for an update
9.3 grand just to have the simplicity of OS X?
10.Still not fast enough for video editing (even with iMovie)

 

[iQuit]

Thanks a bunch

1) Current PowerMac models have 2 separate G5 CPUs which are single-core.

2) Could potentially mean either as it essentially boils down to the same thing, although two dual-core CPUs is more likely than 4 single-core chips. Either way its 4 logical cores.

3) Hyperthreading is Intel's marketing term for a technology that improves processor performance under certain workloads by providing useful work for execution units that would otherwise be idle, for example during a cache miss. When running optimal code it is like having double the number of logical units, but in practice this level of efficiency is very rarely achieved.

4) Hope that helped!

Edit: doh! Beaten to it!

 

[adntwm]

Is it gonna be on the internets?

Do you believe the event is going to be streamed live? Anybody has any idea?
I can't find any info on this...

Hope so. This wednesday is a non working day for me... plenty of time to watch events from computer manufacturers!

 

[Mr Maui]

No, by labelling the invite with "One more thing..." is basically coming right out and announcing that this will be a big event.

Perhaps so ... but ... the rumor mill is hyping the thing, not Apple. Apple's marketing department and Steve Jobs both know that we are the best form of marketing they will ever get and they use it very much to their advantage. Low cost ... high profile!! Pretty smart if you ask me.

 

[igetbanned]

Thanks a bunch

Hyperthreading is generally mentioned by intel in terms of system 'responsiveness', meaning, HT allows you to do things like display a taskmanager while another application is running under heavy load, prevent the 'blue screen of death' when an application locks up, etc.

 

[iQuit]

They usually don't stream Apple Keynotes....but this "one more thing" keynote may be possible.

Do you believe the event is going to be streamed live? Anybody has any idea?
I can't find any info on this...

Hope so. This wednesday is a non working day for me... plenty of time to watch events from computer manufacturers!

 

[age234]

Wow, iPod speed bumps. Yahoo.

I really had my heart set on some kind of home theater thing, or iPod AV, or some kind of PDA. I could still happen.

 

[conradzoo]

It's all too obvious.

New Pods, sweet but hey....
New Powerbooks, much sweeter

It's Intel Mini's. For Sure. That 1.42/1.5 gamble was just to get rid of old stock. Didn't Steve at the Intel switch say OsX was living a double life for years? Is it that farfedged iLife didn't do the same? Pro apps not ready, who cares? The mini is for starters. Well Steve decides to start.

And oh yeah, one more thing, a tablet version of this mactel mini. Rock baby!

 

[peharri]

Dell?

"And just one more thing. Today we're saying goodbye to Apple and hello to two new companies" (...Michael Dell steps onto the stage...) "Dell-Macintosh, and iTunes. We're selling the entire Macintosh business to Dell, who'll be making the new Intel-based Macs and OS X. And I'm staying on with the rest of Apple, we're now called iTunes, and we're going to be making new generations of iPod, upgrading our iTunes music store, and becoming a completely music oriented company!"

*crowd sits in stunned silence*

Michael Dell *cough* "Well, just one thing to add, we're actually going to be loading Windows XP onto the new Macs. We took a look at OS X, and it's nice and everything, but, I mean, it doesn't have many games for it. And what's the deal with the menu bar on the top of the screen? Man, that confused the hell of us when Steve came over to demonstrate the Mac for us. We'll be keeping the most distinctive feature of the Mac though, the one button mouse. We think it's cute. Though we'll, obviously, include a two button mouse in every box. The one button one will be... er... more of a decoration."

*several members of crowd keel over*

Dell: "Oh yeah, I forgot, we bought the Newton too."

*some members of crowd look up, temporarily full of hope*

Dell: "We're going to revive the platform. I mean, it was good, had a lot of mindshare at the time. Steve told me it was awful, but, y'know, some of our staff say they had one and they were kind of neat. Much better than Palms."

*crowd begins to revive, beginning to believe*

Dell: "We'll be upgrading the technology of course. It'll have a color screen. Be a little bit smaller. And we're going to get rid of that horrible NewtonOS and put Windows CE on it instead."

*crowd is now chewing on the theater carpet.*

Jobs: "Well, thanks Mike. Anyway, let's talk about iTunes, the new company that'll be selling you music and the players to play them. Now, I should stress that we're probably going to be Sony's biggest division..."

Dell: "Er, Steve, you didn't tell them Sony was buying the iTunes half of Apple."

Jobs: "I didn't? Sorry about that. Anyway..."

 

[Mr Maui]

Do you believe the event is going to be streamed live? Anybody has any idea?
I can't find any info on this...

Hope so. This wednesday is a non working day for me... plenty of time to watch events from computer manufacturers!

I thought Apple's site already had a link for the streamed event set up already. Seems to be gone now ... or at least moved.

 

[LANcaster]

3.The G4 processor that can't even support the 64bit OS it uses
5.It doesn't have a go 7800 graphics card, even DELL has
6.I love Mac (switched in Sept.)
10.Still not fast enough for video editing (even with iMovie)

Since I'm in a helpful mood......

3) OK, this whole obsession over 64 bit technology has to stop! For the vast majority of applications it does not improve performance, so unless you're planning to stick more than 4 gig of RAM into your PowerBook its not really an issue.
5) mmmm < 1 hour battery life .....
6) Good man
10) Laptops are generally not good for demanding apps like iMovie, but unless you're really serious about your movie making a 1.5 GHz G4 is plenty fast enough. If not then you can always invest in one of these dual dual-core G5 PowerMacs that Steve's going to announce on Wednesday

 

[iQuit]

You guys come up with the greatest stuff. I enjoyed this.

"And just one more thing. Today we're saying goodbye to Apple and hello to two new companies" (...Michael Dell steps onto the stage...) "Dell-Macintosh, and iTunes. We're selling the entire Macintosh business to Dell, who'll be making the new Intel-based Macs and OS X. And I'm staying on with the rest of Apple, we're now called iTunes, and we're going to be making new generations of iPod, upgrading our iTunes music store, and becoming a completely music oriented company!"

*crowd sits in stunned silence*

Michael Dell *cough* "Well, just one thing to add, we're actually going to be loading Windows XP onto the new Macs. We took a look at OS X, and it's nice and everything, but, I mean, it doesn't have many games for it. And what's the deal with the menu bar on the top of the screen? Man, that confused the hell of us when Steve came over to demonstrate the Mac for us. We'll be keeping the most distinctive feature of the Mac though, the one button mouse. We think it's cute. Though we'll, obviously, include a two button mouse in every box. The one button one will be... er... more of a decoration."

*several members of crowd keel over*

Dell: "Oh yeah, I forgot, we bought the Newton too."

*some members of crowd look up, temporarily full of hope*

Dell: "We're going to revive the platform. I mean, it was good, had a lot of mindshare at the time. Steve told me it was awful, but, y'know, some of our staff say they had one and they were kind of neat. Much better than Palms."

*crowd begins to revive, beginning to believe*

Dell: "We'll be upgrading the technology of course. It'll have a color screen. Be a little bit smaller. And we're going to get rid of that horrible NewtonOS and put Windows CE on it instead."

*crowd is now chewing on the theater carpet.*

Jobs: "Well, thanks Mike. Anyway, let's talk about iTunes, the new company that'll be selling you music and the players to play them. Now, I should stress that we're probably going to be Sony's biggest division..."

Dell: "Er, Steve, you didn't tell them Sony was buying the iTunes half of Apple."

Jobs: "I didn't? Sorry about that. Anyway..."

 

[thedude110]

I really had my heart set on some kind of home theater thing, or iPod AV, or some kind of PDA. I could still happen.

Don't listen to the doubters, age234. The mMac is coming. Would Apple REALLY be releasing a Movie Store without a way to store all the movies it expects you to buy?

Have ye rumor-mongers no faith in Steve?

Indeed. The 500 gig mMac will be your computer and your home entertainment system. With a Cinema Display tossed in on the cheap.

Hmm. Perhaps the cMac, then. Or better -- the cinMac! (seeks devil smiley)

And I have no doubt, age234, that you are on the very verge of happening.

 

[iQuit]

3) I need this laptop for 3 years.....64 bit apps will be very common by then.

5)The reason the PC side has bad battery is the desktop 3+ GHz CPU's they have.

6)

10) I am a mobile guy, I am not home much and need to edit videos fast on the go, is that too much to ask for? The technology in the current PB is outdated,that's why it is too slow.

Since I'm in a helpful mood......

3) OK, this whole obsession over 64 bit technology has to stop! For the vast majority of applications it does not improve performance, so unless you're planning to stick more than 4 gig of RAM into your PowerBook its not really an issue.
5) mmmm < 1 hour battery life .....
6) Good man
10) Laptops are generally not good for demanding apps like iMovie, but unless you're really serious about your movie making a 1.5 GHz G4 is plenty fast enough. If not then you can always invest in one of these dual dual-core G5 PowerMacs that Steve's going to announce on Wednesday

 

[Maxsib01]

Sweet....

"And just one more thing. Today we're saying goodbye to Apple and hello to two new companies" (...Michael Dell steps onto the stage...) "Dell-Macintosh, and iTunes. We're selling the entire Macintosh business to Dell, who'll be making the new Intel-based Macs and OS X. And I'm staying on with the rest of Apple, we're now called iTunes, and we're going to be making new generations of iPod, upgrading our iTunes music store, and becoming a completely music oriented company!"

*crowd sits in stunned silence*

Michael Dell *cough* "Well, just one thing to add, we're actually going to be loading Windows XP onto the new Macs. We took a look at OS X, and it's nice and everything, but, I mean, it doesn't have many games for it. And what's the deal with the menu bar on the top of the screen? Man, that confused the hell of us when Steve came over to demonstrate the Mac for us. We'll be keeping the most distinctive feature of the Mac though, the one button mouse. We think it's cute. Though we'll, obviously, include a two button mouse in every box. The one button one will be... er... more of a decoration."

*several members of crowd keel over*

Dell: "Oh yeah, I forgot, we bought the Newton too."

*some members of crowd look up, temporarily full of hope*

Dell: "We're going to revive the platform. I mean, it was good, had a lot of mindshare at the time. Steve told me it was awful, but, y'know, some of our staff say they had one and they were kind of neat. Much better than Palms."

*crowd begins to revive, beginning to believe*

Dell: "We'll be upgrading the technology of course. It'll have a color screen. Be a little bit smaller. And we're going to get rid of that horrible NewtonOS and put Windows CE on it instead."

*crowd is now chewing on the theater carpet.*

Jobs: "Well, thanks Mike. Anyway, let's talk about iTunes, the new company that'll be selling you music and the players to play them. Now, I should stress that we're probably going to be Sony's biggest division..."

Dell: "Er, Steve, you didn't tell them Sony was buying the iTunes half of Apple."

Jobs: "I didn't? Sorry about that. Anyway..."

Like it.....can't wait until we engage the reality drive again...

 

[LANcaster]

3) I need this laptop for 3 years.....64 bit apps will be very common by then.

5)The reason the PC side has bad battery is the desktop 3+ GHz CPU's they have.

6)

10) I am a mobile guy, I am not home much and need to edit videos fast on the go, is that too much to ask for? The technology in the current PB is outdated,that's why it is too slow.

3) True, but it still doesn't get away from the fact that the 32-64 bit transition isn't nearly as important as most people seem to think.

5) Well I have a current-generation 1.5 GHz PowerBook and if you're really careful you can get just under 3 hours of battery life from it. If you tack on a 7800 Go that number's going down! Also, the PowerBooks get pretty hot under heavy load, I think 3rd degree burns might result from having a 7800 in such a small alu case.

10) Fair enough, but its the best you're going to get in an Apple laptop for a good year. Unless you count meaningless speed bumps (go Freescale!!!)

 

[sisyphus]

mini storage

Don't listen to the doubters, age234. The mMac is coming. Would Apple REALLY be releasing a Movie Store without a way to store all the movies it expects you to buy?

Jobs: ...and today we're introducing the new Xserve RAID mini, perfect for storing and accessing your movies from any tv in the house...

 

[ncoffey]

The dilemma for me on a 17" PowerBook

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3.The G4 processor that can't even support the 64bit OS it uses
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3. This really isn't an issue unless you want more than 4 gigs of ram. A 64 bit processor won't make anything faster. The reason to upgrade to 64 bit chips is to keep a flat memory model and avoid things like EMS/XMS, etc. from the old DOS days. The only current performance benefits you're likely to see are from when you throw in 8 gigs of ram because the 64 bit OS allows you to make use of it. Even without it there are ways around this unless one program is eating up more than 4 gigs. I'm not even sure if Tiger will let a single thread eat up that much ram anyway.

Your real concerns are speed for the video editing you want. I don't know what the equivalent PC programs are for this or how fast they run compared to the Mac versions, so I'll leave this important aspect of it for someone else.

 

[maddav]

My prediction, based on nothing but lead times is that the 4 mac lines that are supposed to be re-jiggered are:

-iBook 14"
-PB 15" Combo
-PB 15" Superdrive
-PB 17" Superdrive

If this does happen I'll be very annoyed as I want a 12" PB for uni

edit: Though I guess on that logic, I could also say that iMacs and Powermacs will be updated due to their increased lead times... damn crappy strategy.

 

[iQuit]

I may be off getting a PC laptop for the itme being, I mean as long as it can be charged through a wall or car battery life shouldn't matter too much. But what video editing programs does PC have? Do they have Final Cut?

3. This really isn't an issue unless you want more than 4 gigs of ram. A 64 bit processor won't make anything faster. The reason to upgrade to 64 bit chips is to keep a flat memory model and avoid things like EMS/XMS, etc. from the old DOS days. The only current performance benefits you're likely to see are from when you throw in 8 gigs of ram because the 64 bit OS allows you to make use of it. Even without it there are ways around this unless one program is eating up more than 4 gigs. I'm not even sure if Tiger will let a single thread eat up that much ram anyway.

Your real concerns are speed for the video editing you want. I don't know what the equivalent PC programs are for this or how fast they run compared to the Mac versions, so I'll leave this important aspect of it for someone else.

 

[Mr Maui]

They usually don't stream Apple Keynotes....but this "one more thing" keynote may be possible.

This is the link I spke of earlier. I believe the "keynote" / "special event" will be streamed (or at least available afterwards).
Keynote / Special Event

 

[matticus008]

back from school...too lazy to read all 6 pages ...I really don't see them getting rid of the 20gb. It seems like a wasted expense to go to 40gb's as the starter, considering many who purchase iPods can't even fill the 20s (yes i know many of you can and have but im refering to the people who bought them because they are cool and w/e). It seems like they should do is keep the 20's and extend the battery life a lot, and make 40gb + 80gb video iPods.

I agree. Apple's marketing and retailing people would seriously be off their rockers if they thought that nano sales wouldn't slump if you could get 10 times the capacity for $50 more.

That, and nobody really needs more than the capacity of existing iPods for music. What are the chances you'll be away from your computer long enough to listen to the 40 days of music or whatever that a 60GB iPod can hold? I understand that with the audiophile lossless market and people using them for portable data storage that there's a need to add higher capacity models, but there's no reason to increase the bottom end.

The already cantankerous nano owners (as opposed to the satisfied nano owners, like me) will definitely not let the minimal price difference go if Apple does this.

My guess is that iPods will be slimmer, with higher resolution displays and greatly improved battery life and they will move the headphone connector to the bottom for consistency (and so that dock connectors can also make use of the AV-out port. They'll be offered in black and white, with an 80GB model added to the high end. They might include an onboard iTrip like feature that will allow them to be used in cars out of the box (depending on how angry the iTrip manufacturers would become).

 

[greentree_uk]

So why not the G6?

why has no one mentioned a G6? it's been what 2 years since the G5 was released. a dual core G5 could be named the G6? the last of the motorolla/IBM generation? and a kick ass machine? I will defintely be buying one of these myself. before the intels come! I want a machine that will still run classic! I have some classic games I want to play forever!

 

[iQuit]

They can't have a G6 due to Pontiac named a car named the G6. So G7 anyone?

why has no one mentioned a G6? it's been what 2 years since the G5 was released. a dual core G5 could be named the G6? the last of the motorolla/IBM generation? and a kick ass machine? I will defintely be buying one of these myself. before the intels come! I want a machine that will still run classic! I have some classic games I want to play forever!