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I don't understand what you're correcting. I said open source OS because it's heavily used on BSD also.

Also... how can a developer of any kind not understand that there are open source operating systems that are not Linux? You've never heard of UNIX? That's what BSD is, and that's what the macOS kernel is. I guess I should apply for a job at Moziilla, as I'm certainly more qualified than you.

So again I ask you... what exactly are you correcting?
You literally said:”In the open source OS world Firefox is #1 by a lot.” And that is not true. That is Linux. The fact that there are other Open Source operating systems, doesn’t really matter. Fact is. Linux is number one.

And come on. Leave the lame personal attacks to fools.

You know what. I was about to comment on my work but it’s not worth it. People who worked with me, know who I am and what I did. That to me counts. You don’t. To me you are just another random user.
 
Obviously I meant that Firefox is the #1 browser of the open source OS world. The post that you originally quoted of mine was dealing with browser market share. You seem to need very simple and obvious things explained.
 
You literally said:”In the open source OS world Firefox is #1 by a lot.” And that is not true. That is Linux. The fact that there are other Open Source operating systems, doesn’t really matter. Fact is. Linux is number one.

And come on. Leave the lame personal attacks to fools.

You know what. I was about to comment on my work but it’s not worth it. People who worked with me, know who I am and what I did. That to me counts. You don’t. To me you are just another random user.
Did the word Firefox—the subject of that sentence—not provide a clue that the #1 was in reference to the browser that’s most popular in the open source OS world?
 
If you really need/must use Chrome, at least use the version without all the Google's crap.

https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium The best of the Chrome browser minus all the Google's crap.

I personally prefer the Dev tools in Chromium browser so it's a must for me. For battery life and as a daily driver I still prefer Safari.
 
Okay this is weird... I updated Firefox today and it asked for the admin password so some help desk thing could be installed. How secure can the update truly be? And why does it need my password?
 
Its a cat and mouse game.

I still trust Firefox because its open source and can be audited by 3rd party as opposed to propriety software that nobody knows how the system is designed and coded and can't be audited. For me, security is about trust and trust through transparency.

This kind of incidents is not totally bad in a sense that it means security researchers are very active in looking for zero day and once found updates are released in no time.
 
Brave is a much better alternative to Chrome.

their bookmark sync is trash.

try this:

import bookmarks from chrome. sync brave with iPhone and other computers. delete ALL bookmarks. wait 2 minutes. you'll see the bookmarks magically reappear. try deleting all bookmarks again and bookmarks will magically reappear. happened a couple of weeks ago and stopped using brave ever since.

sometimes i would delete one bookmark from my iPhone, get home, and notice it wouldn't sync to my home mac. so i would launch brave on my iphone only to find my bookmark magically re-appear.
 
You literally said:”In the open source OS world Firefox is #1 by a lot.” And that is not true. That is Linux. The fact that there are other Open Source operating systems, doesn’t really matter. Fact is. Linux is number one.

And come on. Leave the lame personal attacks to fools.

You know what. I was about to comment on my work but it’s not worth it. People who worked with me, know who I am and what I did. That to me counts. You don’t. To me you are just another random user.

Wow, can't believe I have to correct a FORMER MOZILLA DEVELOPER about this, but I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
 
You literally said:”In the open source OS world Firefox is #1 by a lot.” And that is not true. That is Linux. The fact that there are other Open Source operating systems, doesn’t really matter. Fact is. Linux is number one.

And come on. Leave the lame personal attacks to fools.

You know what. I was about to comment on my work but it’s not worth it. People who worked with me, know who I am and what I did. That to me counts. You don’t. To me you are just another random user.

Well, since you enjoy nitpicking: When you talk about Open Source Operating Systems, Linux would not even be on the list for the simple reason that it is an operating system KERNEL, but not a full operating system -- there's a reason why people talk about Linux --distributions--, because they bring all the things that are necessary to turn Linux into an actual operating system.

The #1 open source operating system on this planet is ANDROID, and Android uses a very old version of the Linux kernel. (But, yeah, you are only allowed to call it Android when you bundle a lot of proprietary Google services, otherwise you must give it a different name like LineageOS, for example...)

Debian is a very popular Open Source Operating System - widely used in the scientific sector, for example on High Performance Compute clusters and also used as the foundation of many even more popular operating systems like Ubuntu, for example - but guess what: There are flavors of Debian that don't use the Linux kernel at all; you can have the same operating system with the FreeBSD kernel or even the GNU/Hurd kernel. It's still Debian, but with a completely different kernel.
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All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Unless you take the BSD user land around the Linux kernel; not that anyone ever actually did this in a meaningful way, but it has been discussed in the past.

Also, Android is very much devoid of the GNU user land -- and Android definitely is a Linux distribution.

So, no -- even though Richard Stallman never got tired of shouting "it must be called GNU/Linux", there is at least the possibility of a Linux WITHOUT GNU.

For historical reasons: Steve Jobs back in the day discussed directly with Linus Torvalds the possibility of using the Linux kernel in a version of the Macintosh operating system. As we all know, this eventually became the FreeBSD based Mac OS X, nowadays simply known as macOS. (Before the further nitpicking begins: NeXTstep was built upon the original Berkely System Distribution, BSD, out of which FreeBSD was derived. Technically, macOS uses a "Darwin" foundation, but guess who the father of Darwin was...)
 
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Does anyone think we should change our passwords that were stored in the firefox browser?
Why would you store passwords in the browser? Try out a password manager like 1Password. generally they do a better job at alerting you about compromised websites, duplicate passwords, old Passwords and other issues.
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I have Firefox setup to run through my vpn web proxy to get around geo blocking. Works great. Safari and chrome handle the rest. Safari could replace chrome if it had user profiles to allow me log simultaneously be logged into the same sites as different users - personal and work - but it doesn't.
 
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Did this exploit affect both PC and Mac? I always keep FF updated on my Mac but...since that warning from the gov't, I am using Safari for now. 😳
 
Anyone notice that new logo if you go to download Firefox? This thing:

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Other parts of the site still have the old logo so I'm not sure why this is here.

Oh well who really cares. Only two browsers I will ever use are Firefox and Safari. Thanks Mozilla and Apple for at least trying to preserve privacy in the modern tech landscape.
 
I'm sorry, but one issue that's already been quickly addressed doesn't magically negate any of that whatsoever.
What does is Firefox adding website suggestions based on my browsing history. First thing you see after it lectures you on how they're defending your privacy.
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I only have Firefox for the rare website that doesn't work under Safari.
Chrome suits that role better because of how many "works best on Chrome" sites there are.
Definitely using Safari as my main because it uses less energy and isn't spyware.
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Why would you store passwords in the browser? Try out a password manager like 1Password. generally they do a better job at alerting you about compromised websites, duplicate passwords, old Passwords and other issues.
I'd rather Firefox just use the Keychain instead of being special.
 
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It is true that some sites do function correctly in Firefox while they do not in Safari. However, in Safari I see a preview of the PDF I am saving before I save it - and then I can abort; but in Firefox the PDF is unseen until after it is saved and I can view it.
 
It is true that some sites do function correctly in Firefox while they do not in Safari. However, in Safari I see a preview of the PDF I am saving before I save it - and then I can abort; but in Firefox the PDF is unseen until after it is saved and I can view it.

 
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The United States Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency (CISA), part of the Department of Homeland Security, this week urged customers who are using the Firefox browser to upgrade to version 72.0.1, as there is a major vulnerability in older versions of the Firefox browser.

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Mozilla released Firefox 72.0.1 on Wednesday to address a security issue that allows malicious entities to run unauthorized code on a target computer through a webpage, letting them take control of an affected system. From Mozilla:As the above quote states, there are known targeted attacks exploiting this flaw, which means it's important for all Firefox users to upgrade, including enterprise users.

The vulnerability was first discovered by Chinese company Qihoo 360 two days after the release of Firefox 72, but there is no word on how long the bug has been exploited nor who used the vulnerability or who might have been targeted. This is the third zero-day vulnerability that Mozilla has addressed within the last year, with the company patching two other major vulnerabilities in June 2019.

MacRumors readers who use Firefox for Mac but have not installed the latest version should make sure to do so. The latest version of Firefox can be downloaded from the Mozilla website or through the update function within Firefox itself.

Article Link: U.S. Department of Homeland Security Urges Firefox Users to Install Update Amid Active Attack

NSA again lost passwords from built-in backdoors?
 
I'd rather Firefox just use the Keychain instead of being special.
Neither Firefox nor Chrome integrate with the Keychain for good reasons.

I like password managers for them being browser and operating system agnostic: you can easily use the same password manager e.g. on iOS Safari, Windows Chrome and Linux Firefox.

I personally suggest Bitwarden: it's open source, has a free tier which includes all common used features and can even be self-hosted if one wants to entirely avoid uploading the encrypted passwords to the cloud.
 
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