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Makes no sense to part Chrome from Alphabet.

IF they want to address the real issue, they will have to provide people with proper rights to privacy and enforce the inclusion of integrated functionality and a sanction regime which properly caretakes that.

Most governments share tech`s lust for access to personal/private info, thus they`ll never do that.
 
sell to who? no US company would want to buy that, the only way they can make money is indirectly through search/services, and they're not gonna beat google at that
 
I'd rather they be forced to sell off YouTube
Then there would be no YouTube. YouTube runs in the red all the time and costs Google big money to run (information is a few years old now but you get the idea). This is why Google doesn't like to talk about YouTube financially speaking and why, just in the last few years, so many ads are on there. If any other business owned it, they would have shut it down years ago.
 
A lot of tech runs off of Google and their money, that people don't realize. I can't stand Google and won't run any of their software but I do understand how much they contribute to the tech industry as a whole. Even a lot of what WebKit is today, is because of what Google put into it when it was the engine behind Chrome. WebKit slowed down a lot after Google forked it to make their own engine.

Google engineers also find security holes in Apple's software a lot and contribute to a lot of other technology as well.

And one other note: Chrome is the new IE. It is getting so bad that some sites, services and even certain apps force everyone to use Chrome in order to use it. They say it is the only browser that can do "x", whatever x ends up being at the time. I find it is more lazy developers than any lack in other browsers like Safari and Firefox.
 
People use Chrome because the stench of IE still prevents people from using Edge. I swear IE was so bad that permanently (like myself) would never actually use it. I use Safari and Chrome but I only use Safari cause that's the default. Chrome is actually faster and better than Safari.

What apple needs to do is allow non webkit browsers on mobile. Chrome on iOS is limited by WebKit.
Both Chrome and Edge are basically spyware, but Edge is not even trying to hide it. Using it feels like dipping your hand into a pool filled with piranhas, there’s ten different MS services nipping at you immediately. It’s needy and very vocal about what it’s trying to sell you. Edge is a chromium browser anyway, so why not just use chrome.
 
They allow it in the EU yet not a single company has bothered to make one yet
…because Apple requires a non-webkit browser to be developed in the EU and there are no big name browser projects that are developed in the EU. No one has ”bothered” to start developing a browser from scratch to compete with all the big players that rule the playing field. Such a great business proposition, I wonder why.
 
I'm not sure shared accounts are going away regardless. It's just too easy for people. Though I do like options like you're presenting. To be honest though, for most services I trust Google or even FB to keep account details secure over almost anyone else.

What splitting YouTube off would do IMO, is begin to provide search competition. YouTube is the largest video provider on the internet. Many users start their search at YouTube, not Google proper. So day 1, Google would have a significant search competitor wrt to video.
Would YT still be able to use Google Search "backend code" or would they have to roll their own?
 
It won’t happen. They should have force MS to sell office long time ago but gave up.
This is not what happened. They forced MSFT to stop preventing other browsers to operate efficiently on Windows, and it worked. MS Office may have a very large market share, MSFT is not suing its market share advantage in any illegal way, neither is it protecting its market share in any illegal way (like using it to prevent others to propose products).
 
Without Google and Chrome we'd be stuck with Safari and Internet Explorer. Whatever happens, Chrome shouldn't be allowed to get worse like the other two.
 
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On the other hand, if you portray Google’s market dominance as being anti-free speech, it could quickly go the other way. Brendan Carr, who was designated today to head the FCC, tweeted that “Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft & others have played central roles in the censorship cartel“ and “We must dismantle the censorship cartel and restore free speech rights for everyday Americans.”
If you’re an R, your browser cookies deliver you a world of R news, and if you’re a D, you only see the D news, and that’s all there is. Maybe this guy wants only R browser cookies everywhere, since his guy won.
 
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ok bud. Time for a much smaller government so they are even more powerless.

There's no such thing as a right size government. Governments are made up of many branches, each with their own duty, and their size grows and shrinks depending on what's going on nationwide and internationally.

The US government seems to be extremely weak on taking action against organised crime, oligarchy, financial scams, and many lawmakers are easy to purchase. The government is always overstretched because the country is so large that the number of crimes is extremely high.

I don't agree that Chrome needs to be sold though. The main action that Google needs to take is to stop selling ad space to scammers.
 
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With DoJ leadership getting replaced in January, I don't see how this would actually stick...

But if it does happen, I imagine Zuck will try his hardest to buy it so he can have the most dominant browser under his control. 😰
 
I mean, everyone in the DOJ is about to be fired next year, so I highly doubt anything comes from this. We are moving back into a monopoly-favorable political environment.

Even so, it's kinda funny that they're making them sell of Chrome and wanted them to sell of Android, as the only reason Google made those products in the first place is so they could put their search in them to hold the monopoly for as long as possible. Google really only makes money off selling ads on search and mining our data.
Google fails to meet most characteristics that define a monopoly - the DOJ is drunk. At best, Google is an oligopoly.
 
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Whenever a company's revenue reaches more than 0.5% (or some such number) of US GDP, it should be required to split.
That would effectively outlaw very high success in a nation known to value capitalism, free markets and liberty. America...where you can't be too successful. Scary thought. Not a slogan I care to see catch on.
Then came along Google with its Chrome browser, not only putting ad's in the browser but also using the browser to collect data from its users and selling that collected data to others.
The question is how much of that contains detailed personal info. (e.g.: my name, address, phone number, which sites I bought something at in the past 30-days) and how much is aggregate (which should be no problem).

Data collection gets dissed so often it's easy to miss the benefits. If I must be subjected to ads as a condition of 'free' services like Google Search, Chrome browser and YouTube, I'd prefer they at least be relevant.

Many years ago (back when I watched more t.v.), I got progressively irritated by a common commercial where a beautiful young woman in a bright white outfit came out, squatted down and swung her pelvis around while telling me how much better my life would be (maybe something to do with 'freshness?' Been years...) if I'd use that particular brand of female hygiene product (tampon, maxi pad, etc...). I'm a guy. No matter how wonderful their product was, it was not going to enhance my life and I did not want to hear about it. Nowadays browsing sites and seeing ads for things I've been checking out on Amazon, I remember that woman. I prefer the targeted adds.

Some of the things we presently enjoy are products of huge companies. Someone already pointed out Google subsidizes YouTube.

Even if every man, woman and software developer in Alphabet dropped dead today, a new giant in Search would arise. A new giant in browsers (likely Edge) would arise. As much as 'competition' is an esteemed buzzword by some government types, many in the public don't like the confusing balkanized landscape of multiple providers. They don't want a detailed breakdown of 5 to 10 search engine alternatives for various use cases; that's why smart phones have default search engines and a pre-installed web browser.

We've had this wonderland of competing providers before (e.g.: I remember Yahoo and Alta Vista), and many users simply wanted to know which was the mainstream one to pick.

I doubt the majority of the computer and smart phone using public are all that concerned about cookies, data collection and selling and such, as long as it's not used for overtly nefarious purposes.

Many people want their computer or phone to work like an appliance where 'it just works' and you're not confronted with myriad choices to analyze every time you want to do something.

It's ironic we're having this discussion on an Apple product-focused website, not Linux, etc... Living in the 'walled garden' Apple ecosystem while complaining Google leverages their products to advantage each other.
 
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…because Apple requires a non-webkit browser to be developed in the EU and there are no big name browser projects that are developed in the EU. No one has ”bothered” to start developing a browser from scratch to compete with all the big players that rule the playing field. Such a great business proposition, I wonder why.
Bold emphasis mine.

You bring up a very interesting point in light of this discussion, where some 'legislation happy' people are eager for the U.S. government to interfere more in private big businesses, something often associated more with the European Union than the U.S.

Why are there no big name browser projects developed in the E.U.?

For that matter, what about big name commercial computer operating systems? Disclaimer: Linux is major, but open source. What about smart phone operating systems? Social media platforms? Or are there major platforms I'm omitting (note: China has WeChat, but excludes foreign competition in some things)? Disclaimer: TikTok is an exception.

Given that the U.S. has around 330 million people spread over an area larger than western Europe, I'm told, and some nations are the size of some of our larger states, I don't expect any one European nation to have the same number of 'household word' major software platform brands that the U.S. does, but what about the E.U. was a whole?

What is the E.U. equivalent of Microsoft Windows, MacOS, iOS, Google, FaceBook, X, etc...?

China seems to be the hardware hub of the world, but major intellectual properties often roll out of the U.S. My point is that maybe there are serious advantages to the present United States business environment. With all due respect to Linux and TikTok, our system does seem to generate value.
 
It's not just about a single product's market share, but how they use the synergies between their products to unethically, and often unlawfully hinder their competition.
It's not unethical to leverage product synergies that makes themselves more competitive and while being more competitive naturally can make it harder for their competition, it's not a hinderance per say - Apple has been doing this for years along with every other major company. Hindering or being anti-competitive would be like Apple intentionally making it's products not work well with others so that you buy only Apple products (i.e. will i ever be able to airplay on an android, or chromecast natively on an iphone without having to use chrome), or Google deprioritizing ads/search results of its direct competitors on its platforms.

It's the very nature of any business to grow, increase market share, minimize its costs and innovate all to boost profits that provides for reinvestment in addition to returning capital to stakeholders.

There's honestly a fine line between competitive and anti-competitive
 
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