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U.S. Federal Law Enforcement Says It's Impossible to Wiretap iMessage Conversations

Lets think this through....

1) Get the Apple ID password
2) Log into iMessage
3) Wait and see

Or maybe....

Get Apple ID password....

1) Cloud restore your favorite iOS device into cloned hardware

Or even better...

1) Get Apple to do it for you at your local Apple Store
 
Right....The spook agencies monitor everything. All they need to do to get the encryption keys are to go to the owners and say "hand em over...for reasons of national security". Anyone who believes otherwise has no idea of how much power these agencies have. The agencies would consider any unknown comm link a potential security breach and move immediately to mitigate the risk. Right or wrong, they consider that their job.
 
Law enforcement should be as hard as possible, and anyone who tells you different would prefer a police state. Oh sure, crime is low in a police state, but lots of innocent people are also suddenly guilty. Criminals sometimes getting away with things is how we know the rest of us are free.
 
AKA...the US Gov't can't wiretap iMessage...yet. Just like the Apple ID vulnerability (and ANY tech company's security), security is a work in progress.
 
Foxer said:
And that said, you all do realize that this is in the context of legal, court authorized wire tapping. You know, with warrants, and judges and due process and all that stuff. Like we've had since as long as there have been wires to tap?
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If you honestly think that the only wiretapping that goes on in this country is based on court orders, you need to do some serious research. This isn't The Wire.

ATT's Internet Backbone went through a NSA facility
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

Whistleblower confirms NSA wiretaps all communication in the US
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/...ing-Everything-on-Anyone-Illegally-Updated-x3
 
Tiger8 said:
you will have a change of heart about "some of them getting away with crime" if God forbid you or a loved one happen to be one of the people affected by "some of them".
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You're assuming that those who don't subscribe to "draconian tactics for all" are either inexperienced or in some way ignorant. That's assuming a lot, incorrectly, and it's fairly insulting too.

There's more than one way of recovering from loss and trauma. Sure, like some scared, wounded little animal, you can recoil in horror and throw everyones freedoms out the window, or lash out and attack the nearest thing to feel a little powerful again. Or you can elevate yourself slightly above the philosophy of a squirrel and think rationally about the nature of people and the kind of world you'd like to live in.

I could just as well say you'd have a change of heart about "some of them getting away" the day you're falsely arrested because something you said in jest toward a friend was read by a DOJ flunkie and interpreted as literal and matching some crime you've never heard of. Hope you have a lot of money, and don't have any plans for it, cause it's all going to lawyers, or you're going to prison.
 
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albusseverus said:
If you think about it, all internet communications should be private, like the mail system, in the US constitution. Oh, that's right. The government is trying to bankrupt the Mail system, specifically to do away with privacy of communication. Right?
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The Constitution is old, and therefore completely irrelevant... [/s]
 
patsfan83 said:
If you honestly think that the only wiretapping that goes on in this country is based on court orders, you need to do some serious research. This isn't The Wire.

ATT's Internet Backbone went through a NSA facility
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

Whistleblower confirms NSA wiretaps all communication in the US
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/...ing-Everything-on-Anyone-Illegally-Updated-x3
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Come back when you're not citing Wikipedia and the Dailykos.

This article is about law enforcement, not counter-terrorism efforts. Try to get evidence admitted at trial that was obtained without a warrant or other legal method. Your whole case will probably get tossed.

Now if NSA wants to grab every text message in the world, filter them for key words or particular sender/recipients and THEN have someone review them in an effort to prevent someone from blowing a bunch people to kingdom come, so be it. On the off chance that a text about my dinner plans is caught, so be it. None of your lives are that interesting.
 
Foxer said:
Now if NSA wants to grab every text message in the world, filter them for key words or particular sender/recipients and THEN have someone review them in an effort to prevent someone from blowing a bunch people to kingdom come, so be it. On the off chance that a text about my dinner plans is caught, so be it. None of your lives are that interesting.
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And what if I happen to be a political dissident? I mean, J. Edgar Hoover would've had a field day digging through all the digital communications we have today.
 
litmag01 said:
Where there is a will there is a way. BTW does anyone els think it is really weird that the feds would come out with a statement like this?
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No, because their "good little friend" Microsoft is always polite to leave backdoors for LEOs... This is to stir up trouble that Apple somehow isn't "playing fair" with LEOs and somebody should do something about it... In spite of there being no actual laws broken or anything.

Apple can probably produce the messages under supeona, but that is days late versus LEOs just "having the keys" whenever they think they need them, in real time. ... And get those pesky warrants later....
 
BaldiMac said:
"I got an idea... Now that we've figured out how to monitor iMessage, let's leak a memo about how it is so secure and impossible to wiretap. That will give the cartels confidence to use it more often."

:D
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Wow, never would have thought of this. So true.
 
Foxer said:
Come back when you're not citing Wikipedia and the Dailykos.

This article is about law enforcement, not counter-terrorism efforts. Try to get evidence admitted at trial that was obtained without a warrant or other legal method. Your whole case will probably get tossed.

Now if NSA wants to grab every text message in the world, filter them for key words or particular sender/recipients and THEN have someone review them in an effort to prevent someone from blowing a bunch people to kingdom come, so be it. On the off chance that a text about my dinner plans is caught, so be it. None of your lives are that interesting.
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The DailyKos article is based off an interview on Keith Olberman/MSNBC.

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ThunderSkunk said:
Nice. I just happen to have this open on another tab:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

But I'm sure all of this is just made up too. If you don't see it, it doesn't exist.

Put your faith in the US Gov. They never falsely imprison anyone or ruin anyones lives going after anyone they can for anything they can.
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Exactly. If you find yourself on rendition somewhere and your family doesn't know where you disappeared to and you have no legal recourse, good luck!
 
It sounds like everyone wants the drug dealers to start using iPhones for one reason or the other.
 
Feed Me said:
If it weren't so unreliable I'd be seriously considering moving my drug business to iMessage.
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I use iMessage in iPhone and Mac for all my business and family communications it works just fine. I don´t know why you say it´s unreliable. I've tried whatsapp, Line, viber and messages takes long to arrive to the devices and are not syncronized with my macbook and iphone iMessage is the only solution that offers that.
 
slffl said:
Wow. Out of the hundreds of people who use it in my organization, we have never had a problem. Amazing.
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Thats pretty good, I've had problems with it in low signal areas.

iMessage thinks the message went through so it never gets sent as SMS and the other party never receives the iMessage. SMS is the most reliable form of cell phone communication (requires the least signal strength), so I still use that.
 
Squilly said:
Invasion of privacy for one.
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You are protected from "Invasion of privacy..." without due process. This is a judge authorized wiretap.... i.e. there has been 'due process'.

albusseverus said:
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Word from the security community is that there isn't any encryption that can't be broken in a reasonable amount of time, nowadays. ...
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What I got from the story was that the agents were not able to listen in "real time"... so if two people were planning to meet, agents couldn't 'hear' the arrangements and therefore couldn't get to the meeting. If you are trying to physically locate someone - you can't wait 3 days (or whatever the delay is)... you need to be able listen in real time. Once you finally catch a suspect, you have time to decrypt the messages to present as evidence... although if you haven't been able to physically link that person to any actions (for instance, by taking photos of them actually at the meeting) then the decrypted messages may not be strong as evidence.
albusseverus said:
If you think about it, all internet communications should be private, like the mail system, in the US constitution. Oh, that's right. The government is trying to bankrupt the Mail system, specifically to do away with privacy of communication. Right?
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Your mail can also be read - after a warrant has been obtained. Just like the wiretapping in this article. You are protected from intrusion - without due process. Sorry.
 
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