U.S. Government 'Considering' Creation of Nationwide 5G Network [Updated]
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miniyou64
macrumors 6502a
Thats a perfect description of the case against net neutrality.
Chocolatemilty
macrumors 6502a
It’s really pick your poison in this. The underlying issue really is the distrust in government in many phases, most particular for this case telecommunications, and distrust in the telecommunications industry for decades of broken promises and anti-consumer decisions. There’s no “good guy” to choose from in this scenario because there’s not enough public trust in the federal government or the telecom companies. If the telecom companies have proven to be upstanding companies over the last century, we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. Yet, they’re the evil that we know and feel we can figure out how to carve out a semblance of privacy and consumer protection, even if it isn’t explicit. With the government, we feel powerless about that and don’t want it, liberals and conservatives alike. One or the other is going to ake advantage of this - that’s how our country works.
Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
PinkyMacGodess
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My thoughts exactly.
So they get a massive tax cut, favoritism with laws and regulations, and now, on top of 'the great trump wall', he wants to build them a network and practically give it to them? Why doesn't he just come clean and admit he works for the corporate dollar because the average American is too poor to give him anything and that he'll do anything to give corporations everything they haven't asked for. The US Government basically owns the satellite phone market through Iridium (which they couldn't track Osama bin Laden on for some reason).
And I just keep thinking of the mantra: 'Her emails!!!'...
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No, it actually isn't...
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And since no one commented on it, I'd like to educate you.
The 'government' doesn't currently have that kind of control over the internet. They snoop, and pry, and eavesdrop, which is bad enough, but they can't 'own' the internet anymore as it was given to the corporations to run, which is why Net Neutrality is so important, and you are wrong. It's not the 'government' that is blocking information, but the 'corporations' that one could possibly argue make up a cryptostate, but they are looking for profit. Now, substitute the 'government for 'corporations', with the 'government' being the lessor, and the telecoms the lesee, and you can now see where the later is more fraught with issues of government censorship and control. To be 'against' Net Neutrality means you are fine with corporations blocking, or holding hostage, what you want to see or do on the internet. See, the government already has their own internet for the military/spooks, so them building one for the public is all about Big Brother, like in China, looking at everything that you see, everything that you do, everything that you say. Either way, we are screwed, but the government trying to be all benevolent is not going to end well...
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npmacuser5
macrumors 68000
Shocking if even partially true. Been to China, this is Exactly what they do, control the internet highway in the name of National Security and safety of its citizens. One wonders if these folks suggesting this understand our system of Government, and if they do, maybe their agenda is not to uphold our Government but destroy it. Amazing what they are suggesting.
thekeyring
macrumors 68040
Odd that a political party which so values a free and unregulated market would do this.
It strikes me as exactly the kind of thing that would worry Republican voters if the Democrats suggested it.
It strikes me as exactly the kind of thing that would worry Republican voters if the Democrats suggested it.
DaveTheRave
macrumors 6502a
Everyone should have a VPN app and Signal Private Messenger installed on their phones.
PinkyMacGodess
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I think it's inarguable that their goal is the destruction of the country, of Western Democracy. The gutting of regulations protecting We The People from the catastrophic mess that happened in the early 00's that almost destroyed the world economy is sure going to protect us. Gutting environmental regulations, and, well, just about ALL regulation is sure making America Great, isn't it. I'm sure defending gerrymandering is making us great.
Pretty soon there won't be any land left unspoiled, no water safe to drink, and yet the massive and crazy military industrial complex will still be there, skimming the top 50% off the economy. What will they be defending? A scorched country full of sick and under fed people? Can't the damn corporations fund their own Yakuza to defend their profits?
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When they outlaw hard encryption, and they have tried many times, only crooks and the government will have hard encryption.
Dekema2
macrumors 6502a
As one of those "liberals," I would oppose it on the first glance because the current system seems to be working fine. At the same time, I think it would be worth looking into to see if there are any benefits, while also doing a comparative analysis of other nations with a similar setup. Doing it for national security seems super authoritative though.
harriska2
macrumors 68000
How about both?
tennisproha
macrumors 68000
Well it's not like the big carriers offer you privacy. The privacy we have now is BECAUSE the government mandates it.
What on Earth do you mean?
AxiomaticRubric
macrumors 6502a
Does Ajit Pal really think we don't know what a public-private partnership is?
miniyou64
macrumors 6502a
I mean that a government that no one trusts that set up the the oligopoly of ISPs in the first place is exactly the wrong entity to be in charge of whether or not the “net” is “neutral”
Will.O.Bie
macrumors 6502
'Murica! This is his idea of Making America Great Again, by displaying such childish and trigger happy decisions without thinking it over first. This is like that kid in the park where all the other kids are playing with a toy and no one wants to play with him so he brings a brighter and shinier toy and tells them off "Screw all of you, I have a better toy than you guys!" (Bigger and better nuclear button than NK ring a bell?)
This is what we are relegated to now smh. I hope you Trump supporters are proud of yourselves. I am for making the USA great again and be the envy of the whole world but this is just downright pathetic.
PracticalMac
macrumors 68030
Communism is coming to Amerika!!!
So you think that the government can screw up "do nothing to traffic".
s15119
macrumors 68000
That shipped sailed a long time ago. We had stickers on our phones in the 70's that said "assume this phone is tapped" - privacy is an illusion. That said, if I'm not on a Government list I haven't been living my life right.
I don’t care who builds it. All I know I live in the country and want reliable, affordable high speed internet, with “true” unlimited data. Not internet that slows down after 30 gigs.
Like in the past big cities or even small towns will get coverage. People like me again that live between towns and cities will be forgotten.
Satellite with its caps, point to point 900 MHz wireless @ 4 meg down, 1 meg up and $80 month, goes out, slows due to trees and weather is a poor option.
No phone company support only legacy voice only Pots line from century link, no cable companies and no plans to ever get here because there is more money to made else where. So unless the government makes this happen like the roll out of phone lines I will never get high speed internet in my life time.
You may say it will take years to get infastructure to my area. I have a fiber line that is one mile away it’s been there for 15 years, it connects Yakima and Spokane and will never provide internet to my house and every other neighbor that lives on 10 acre plots of land in the area.
So if the big companies are left to decide I know what choices they will make.
A wireless system will be the most cost effective system to roll out.
So if history is going to repeat like the Pots roll out the government will have to step in.
Like in the past big cities or even small towns will get coverage. People like me again that live between towns and cities will be forgotten.
Satellite with its caps, point to point 900 MHz wireless @ 4 meg down, 1 meg up and $80 month, goes out, slows due to trees and weather is a poor option.
No phone company support only legacy voice only Pots line from century link, no cable companies and no plans to ever get here because there is more money to made else where. So unless the government makes this happen like the roll out of phone lines I will never get high speed internet in my life time.
You may say it will take years to get infastructure to my area. I have a fiber line that is one mile away it’s been there for 15 years, it connects Yakima and Spokane and will never provide internet to my house and every other neighbor that lives on 10 acre plots of land in the area.
So if the big companies are left to decide I know what choices they will make.
A wireless system will be the most cost effective system to roll out.
So if history is going to repeat like the Pots roll out the government will have to step in.
kdarling
macrumors P6
The whole idea is that 5G will replace fiber.
In theory, it will allow bringing high speed internet to areas previously ignored because of cabling costs.
Solomani
macrumors 601
Until the Trump Administration steals a page from Communist China and bans your use of VPN. Or rather, Trump and the GOP enact authoritarian laws that would make it illegal for any company (e.g. hardware company like Apple or Samsung, or any software company that provides VPN apps) from supporting or providing VPN services to Americans.
Mousse
macrumors 68040
What makes you guys think the Gub'ment's G5 network will be available for our use? It's gonna be for the telescreens installed in all the homes of the Outer Party and Inner Party members. A low class prole like me ain't good enough for Big Brother to bother spying on. I can do without the 2 minute hate everyday.