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None of that is alleged? It is the whole stated purpose of the subpoena. "...for documents and communications relating to the federal government's reported collusion with Big Tech to suppress free speech.

Also, you say that last sentence as if I give a crap which party within government is making requests. Nope, I despise all who use their power to actively subvert the constitution.
Did you listen to any of the hearings?

I stand by "None if it is alleged" since the allegations are not that the government used or threatened to use its prosecutorial powers unless these social media companies suppressed speech the government didn't like.

Where things get grey is several republican house members threatening to introduce bills that will essentially allow social media companies to be held liable for speech if these social media companies don't allow any speech on their platform that these republican house members deem positive for them. Regardless of if that speech is in violation of these companies TOS. Now, while that might not be threat of prosecution, it is certainly governmental interference.

I don't think this will go well for republicans but if we are going to have hearings over government overreach I would like to see hearings on how and why the separation of church and state has basically disappeared.
 
Free speech is free until it isn’t. The constitution doesn’t give you the right to yell “FIRE” in a crowded theater… 👀
It does if FIRE is an acronym for

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and the people are there to learn how to be FIRE

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Free speech is free until it isn’t. The constitution doesn’t give you the right to yell “FIRE” in a crowded theater… 👀
Actually yes, it does and your absolute is wrong. That’s a very bad example that comes from a bad editing of Oliver Wendell Holmes opinion.
You can yell fire if you think there’s a fire. You can yell fire if you’re an actor on stage. You can yell fire in many other occasions.

 
Translation: "These companies didn't let us lie about COV19 without putting up some notes about misinformation and now we're mad, we have narrow control over the house, and by god we're going to use that to pander to our conspiracy theory loving base instead of helping the country on anything actually important!"

Like, look, there's a lot to be focused on with big tech companies and social media, but what Jim Jordan is focusing on is just being able to rant to a low information hard-right base in advance of 2024. He just wants to says "big tech" "woke" and "lie" in some sort of order as many times as possible, no matter how thin the reasoning, on camera.
 
Smh. Someone needs to inform Jordan that as a PRIVATE COMPANY Twitter can ban, delete and censor at will and his rights to free speech aren't being violated
Actually, free speech is violated, whenever anyone or organization censors it. You're confusing unconstitutional censorship of free speechwith government censorship of free speech. Our founders place such a premium on free political speech so as to preclude government from interfering with it. That private individuals and organizations aren't so encumbered doesn't make the freedom to free speech any less necessary.

The problem we have now is that government has been coordinating, colluding with private industry and using them as a proxy actor to interfere with speech while pretending that private industry is in no way, directly or indirectly, being compelled by government agencies and political parties to engage in censorship so politicians can wear a fig leaf of disassociation. Like it or not, the "Twitter files" and the current hearings in congress are exposing their illicit relationship of political coercion.
 
Actually yes, it does and your absolute is wrong. That’s a very bad example that comes from a bad editing of Oliver Wendell Holmes opinion.
You can yell fire if you think there’s a fire. You can yell fire if you’re an actor on stage. You can yell fire in many other occasions.

Nice way to wiggle around. You don’t have the right to yell fire in a crowded theater, as an audience member when there is none as a way to cause panic in the theater. While flying on a passenger Airplane, you don’t have the right to call out to everyone “I have a bomb and it’s about to go off”, again only to cause panic.
 
Big tech companies cannot suppress free speech in the Constitutional sense because they are not government entities.
Unless they were coerced into doing it by the government. Or unless there were effecting the outcome of an election. Political speech has even less restrictions than free speech. Then you add the fact that they were lying to protect one candidate and harm another candidate means that they have to register as part of the political process, which they did not. So by suppressing the speech of political candidates they were breaking the law.
 
Something else is bothering me.

You can make an argument — a very bad, poorly-reasoned, and unsupportable argument, to be sure, but an argument nonetheless — that a platform such as Twitter is a de-facto public space and so higher standards of freedom of speech must apply.

But how on Earth does Apple fit into any of this? Apple isn’t a social media company; all their communication platforms are person-to-person. You can send all the emails you want to your friends and family ranting about the latest whatever, and Apple won’t stop you. It’s not like they’re YouTube taking down your FaceTime call with your crazy uncle.

Apparently it’s too much to ask of the current House majority to even make arguments that are coherent. Then again, just look at their behavior in the State of the Union speech, or during the Speaker selection process, or when answering questions of reporters about your dog charity, or …

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Apple de-platformed many app developers between 200 and 2022 from participating In the Apple App Store because Apple disagreed with the political opinions of the people that were using the app developer’s apps and the app developer was not moderating content to Apple’s satisfaction.
 
Actually, free speech is violated, whenever anyone or organization censors it. You're confusing unconstitutional censorship of free speechwith government censorship of free speech. Our founders place such a premium on free political speech so as to preclude government from interfering with it. That private individuals and organizations aren't so encumbered doesn't make the freedom to free speech any less necessary.

The problem we have now is that government has been coordinating, colluding with private industry and using them as a proxy actor to interfere with speech while pretending that private industry is in no way, directly or indirectly, being compelled by government agencies and political parties to engage in censorship so politicians can wear a fig leaf of disassociation. Like it or not, the "Twitter files" and the current hearings in congress are exposing their illicit relationship of political coercion.
For those of you that do not get out much, this is in fact called Fascism.
 
Don’t think there’s anything “curious” about Elon not being invited to this partisan clown show. He’s a true believer now so the GOP loves him.
 
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