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It's more than just Apple Pay the CFPB wants oversight over, it's Apple Wallet as that's where you find everything (Apple Pay, Apple Savings, Apple Card, Apple Card Monthly Installment, Apple Pay Later, etc.)

The CFPB proposal says "digital wallets and payment apps"

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) is proposing to supervise larger nonbank companies that offer services like digital wallets and payment apps. Driven largely by Big Tech and other large technology firms, digital payment apps and wallets continue to grow in popularity, but many of the companies are not subject to CFPB supervisory examinations
Should just ban crypto instead.
 
Agreed. Apple is not unlike the payment terminal in a Payless transaction.

I suppose the reg req and responsibilities for Apple’s position in the chain might be unique but I can’t see them being near to the know your customer req that banks have because Apple is largely a pass through like the payment terminal is.

CPFB would be better off instead pressing all merchants, or the regulators who have that authority, to support Apple Pay and contactless in general.

They must be bots or paid "reviewers". If I buy something through Apple Pay, it gets charged on my Credit Card and I can do a chargeback if I have a dispute.
 
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Resolved months ago..

I move money in/out and it hits my bank in 24 hours max
Our fam members move money in at beginning of month then out near end of month to pay cc bills.

The early delays have long been solved. Depending on when we cut the order we’re seeing mostly 1/2 day weekday turnarounds and even some weekend deposits.

We run all deposits and payments thru our CU checking acct out of tradition but I’m seriously considering moving all our direct deposits directly to GS Apple svgs and then making only a single push out to our CU to pay credit card autopays.

The GS Apple app interface is so easy to use even my 91yo mom is able to do these moves.
 
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They must be bots or paid "reviewers". If I buy something through Apple Pay, it gets charged on my Credit Card and I can do a chargeback if I have a dispute.
I’m posted in Europe but have my Apple account and bank accounts in the USA. Had my first return using Apple Pay and Apple Card after 8y AP and 3y AC.

(I pay absolutely everything w AP either on my GS/A MC, my AMEX (big purchases for extended warranty etc), or Wise debit. I never use my bank debit cards and hardly use cash).

Did return on Friday and by mid week had credit notification on phone (I expect delay was due to store or local payment network; regardless it was problem free.

It’s always problem free as long as the payment terminal is working. (It’s even worked where I haven’t had cell service.)
 
Some of those ‘reviews’ are hilarious😂. I use Apple Pay daily, it is a simple way to pay for everything using my own bank. Apple Pay is only the ‘in between’ that allows for a secure payment. (Europe) If I have a problem with a payment I go to my own bank.

Wow. Looked thru first dozen and was shocked at how ignorant the posters seem to be. They should be blaming merchants, bank or selves but it seems easier to blame Apple Pay because that’s the magic part they know.
 
Maybe instead regulators should look into companies like Walmart and Home Depot Apple who purposefully disable industry standard NFC payments at their terminals don't allow 3rd party payment methods to try to steer people into using their own proprietary payment apps so they can get a 15% or 30% cut of each sale.
What if we made a few changes? 🤣
 
I'd like to see CFPB do SOMETHING to address identity theft and fraud connected to standard credit cards before they jump into regulating ApplePay and similar style services.
 
I read that, but I don't understand why they would have lost staggering amounts of money on the Apple Card.
Titanium card for everyone
Set billing days
Set due days
The fact that most people prolly pay off or make enough of a payment that GS make no interest
I use it for everything keep my money in the bank account make a little interest there pay it off and bank the rewards in the saving account.
They have made like 15cents in interest on me since the card came out.
 
What if we made a few changes? 🤣
It's important to remember that we can do more than one thing at a time. :)


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lol if this happens, I can tell you right now how Apple will respond: by becoming a bank. The ultimate middle finger. The only thing holding them back from doing this already is the additional scrutiny, and they’ve surely been considering it, especially in light of Goldman Sacks wanting out

Apple Bank here we come.
 
It's all about getting into your business. Knowing every single transaction you make. Having oversight into where you spend your money. It is sold to the public as protecting your interests with the "bank".

More like fox guarding the henhouse.
 
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It's all about getting into your business. Knowing every single transaction you make. Having oversight into where you spend your money. It is sold to the public as protecting your interests with the "bank".

More like fox guarding the henhouse.

Dude the government already has insight into every single transaction you make. Every government does. That is Banking 101.
 
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Dude the government already has insight into every single transaction you make. Every government does. That is Banking 101.

For large purchases, credit/debit and bank withdrawals, you are absolutely correct.

I generally use cash for that reason. I highly doubt that they know about the coffee and auto fuel that I purchased this morning with that cash. So they don't know about everything and it is obvious that they don't know enough because they apparently want in to "regulate" Apple Pay. What is the upside? Is there evidence of fraud committed by Apple?

It is more likely the government wants to tax every single transaction as yet another revenue stream.
 
The word "Apple" mentioned exactly zero times in the link.

Am I missing something??
 
"especially when the same traditional banking safeguards, like deposit insurance, may not apply"

Why would deposit insurance apply to NFC payments?
The wallets that hold the money specifically.
 
Some excerts from the article cited below:

First, Apple Card doesn’t charge users any fees other than interest. Whereas other card companies nickel and dime with things like late fees and foreign transaction fees,

Second, Goldman has also been very liberal in approving people for Apple Card. This has led to the bank having to charge off balances at a much higher rate than banks like Chase and Bank of America. Here are some numbers from the company’s recent regulatory filings (via CNBC):


  • Goldman as (sic) a 2.93% net charge-off rate, double Chase and Bank of America
  • Goldman is less aggressive (and less successful) at recovering charge-off debt than other banks

In addition most credit cards stage their billing through out the month. Apple billing is on a single date causing major problems with customer service.

So Apple wouldn't let them do the predatory things that arguably should be illegal in the first place, and GS is whining about it.

Approval is their own damn fault, and with charging 25%+ interest right off the bat, they can cry me a river.
 
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Titanium card for everyone
Set billing days
Set due days
The fact that most people prolly pay off or make enough of a payment that GS make no interest
I use it for everything keep my money in the bank account make a little interest there pay it off and bank the rewards in the saving account.
They have made like 15cents in interest on me since the card came out.
Besides Mastercard that charges for processing fee, doesn't GS make some money from the vendors who accept CCs if a GS card is used?
 
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