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I don't think anyone can argue against anything in that post. Very well put.

1. Going to agree with, but again, that's the patriarchal system in place. Where everyday boys are taught to be tough, and girls are taught to be the caregivers. Granted in many first world nations, that's changed quite a bit in the past 40 years (look to Scandinavia for the biggest changes).

2. Statistically, he is generally the aggressor in domestic violence. Sadly, again the patriarchal element of society shames men for being "weak".

3. This is kinda true, but mostly false. Women have a statistical higher conviction rate on things that men generally get a walk on, the biggest being drug trafficking, and strangely, child abuse. Women are more likely to see prison time over child abuse than men.

4. Would like to see said breakdown, as the vast majority of government aid goes to farmers and corporations. Which, generally, are and run by white men.

5. Going to Vermont's medical pages, all I can find referring to "Ladies First" is referring to a program to get cardiovascular healthcare to poor women. Fun bit of trivia, cardiovascular care for women is generally ignored by the public, and many women don't realize the signs of a heart attack are different for us, than for men.

6. Again, the patriarchy. The draft is unnecessary in this day and age, and should be dumped.

7. Women are trying to get into combat positions, but men fight it, claiming women are incapable of battle/combat piloting/etc.

8. As a woman who's worked at many restaurants in her life, you're full of **** on this one. If you have the skill to be wait staff, you're going to be put out to the public. I see it every day, from fast food to nice restaurants, there are just as many men wait staffing as women. The opposite is more true in the back, as you leave fast food, it's actually harder for a woman to become a head chef than a man. Women like Anne Burrell and Cat Cora have to work harder than the Mario Batali's of the world.

9. Again, no. Men just don't enter the field. Look at your average male nurse in the US, they're either foreign-born nursing grads getting experience to take home (largely African communities) or guys from the armed services. Look at a nursing school's graduating class, American men are again, told by their peers that only "fags" go into nursing.

10. Awww, you have to wear a tie? Wear high heels for 8 hours a day. And we STILL get paid less.

11. This is the issues facing transgendered people, right here. This is why we need ENDA.

12. Eh, going to have to agree on this. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing "the retarded guy" stereotype in TV, movies, commercials. Then again... I hate seeing stereotypes.

13. Going to have to call you a douche on this one. If a person is drunk, they are unable to give informed consent, period. This works both ways as well, but again, men have screwed themselves into believing that men can't be raped.

So at the end of the day, you know who's fault it is, yours. Straight, white men have ****ed with everyone else for so long, they've moved onto their own.

Oh and at the end of this, Straight White Men still aren't discriminated against.

Come back to me when you get paid less for the same work, or you're fired for being married to a woman, or you're blamed for your own sexual assault, or when an entire political party lives to make your lives even easier than it is right now.
 
Just two quickies:

1: the draft ended in the USA in 1973
2: what job requires women to wear High heals besides hooker?
 
Just two quickies:

1: the draft ended in the USA in 1973
2: what job requires women to wear High heals besides hooker?

Then replace high heals with makeup etc.

Women certainly have to meet far higher standards of personal appearance.
 
Then replace high heals with makeup etc.

Women certainly have to meet far higher standards of personal appearance.

Exactly. If they don't dress to fit the stereotype of a woman, they're branded a lesbian. But I think women themselves and women's fashion and lifestyle magazines that are predominantly to blame for that.
 
Exactly. If they don't dress to fit the stereotype of a woman, they're branded a lesbian. But I think women themselves and women's fashion and lifestyle magazines that are predominantly to blame for that.

Would you **** a woman who didn't shave her legs?
 
1. Going to agree with, but again, that's the patriarchal system in place. Where everyday boys are taught to be tough, and girls are taught to be the caregivers. Granted in many first world nations, that's changed quite a bit in the past 40 years (look to Scandinavia for the biggest changes).
No, we live in a matriarchal society.

http://www.revolucionantifeminista..../06/lawrence-shannon-the-predatory-female.pdf

And boys are no longer taught to be tough in this country. To the contrary, boys are taught to be meek and deferential, particularly towards to women. Unfortunate, but true.
2. Statistically, he is generally the aggressor in domestic violence. Sadly, again the patriarchal element of society shames men for being "weak".
No. Carefully designed studies show that women hit men more often than visa-versa. Just because you don't think that is a serious problem doesn't make it any less true.
3. This is kinda true, but mostly false. Women have a statistical higher conviction rate on things that men generally get a walk on, the biggest being drug trafficking, and strangely, child abuse. Women are more likely to see prison time over child abuse than men.
No. Women are more likely to be convicted for child abuse than men, because the state has already discriminated in allowing women near-exclusive enjoyment of the children in the first place. Plus, when a woman takes the kids away from their biological father, then shacks up with some random guy named "Spike" who smokes pot and drives a Harley, then stands by idly while Spike beats her kids or smokes pot with them, she ends up in jail along with Spike.
4. Would like to see said breakdown, as the vast majority of government aid goes to farmers and corporations. Which, generally, are and run by white men.
Bull. Social security and medicare already account for 45% of the Federal budget. Currently there are more people receiving needs-tested government assistance than we have full time workers.

Agricultural subsidies in the U.S. are $20 billion per year. In contrast, Social Security is $700 billion per year, Medicare / SMI is $550 billion, and Medicaid is $295 billion. Means tested Federal benefits were $588 billion in 2012.

That being said, there certainly is a lot more crony capitalism going on these days than in the past, something that surely should be curtailed.
5. Going to Vermont's medical pages, all I can find referring to "Ladies First" is referring to a program to get cardiovascular healthcare to poor women. Fun bit of trivia, cardiovascular care for women is generally ignored by the public, and many women don't realize the signs of a heart attack are different for us, than for men.
Old news. Not a reason to provide free medical care to women while not doing so for men.
6. Again, the patriarchy. The draft is unnecessary in this day and age, and should be dumped.
If it's not necessary, don't use it. Meanwhile, register everyone, or nobody. Lots of moms are proud, and always have been proud, to see their boys join the military. We live in a matriarchal society.
7. Women are trying to get into combat positions, but men fight it, claiming women are incapable of battle/combat piloting/etc.
Women are trying to get the right to *volunteer* to get into combat positions. Hardly any women want to be forced into it when they don't want to do it. I'd be more than a little skeptical, too, but I'd let them have it.
8. As a woman who's worked at many restaurants in her life, you're full of **** on this one. If you have the skill to be wait staff, you're going to be put out to the public. I see it every day, from fast food to nice restaurants, there are just as many men wait staffing as women. The opposite is more true in the back, as you leave fast food, it's actually harder for a woman to become a head chef than a man. Women like Anne Burrell and Cat Cora have to work harder than the Mario Batali's of the world.
You are perceived to have more skill to be wait staff if you are female. I think its very clear from watching Food network, it's no more difficult to make it as a female chef these days as it is as a male chef.
9. Again, no. Men just don't enter the field. Look at your average male nurse in the US, they're either foreign-born nursing grads getting experience to take home (largely African communities) or guys from the armed services. Look at a nursing school's graduating class, American men are again, told by their peers that only "fags" go into nursing.
Trust me, I've worked in health care in the past. I've been present while the ladies are complaining.
10. Awww, you have to wear a tie? Wear high heels for 8 hours a day. And we STILL get paid less.
I have never worked at a place that requires a women to wear high heels. That is, unless you work as a stripper.
Women are paid less because they choose job security over salary, and they often take time off from thier career. Sometimes, you make less because you choose a fluffy career that makes you feel warm and fuzzy, instead of the one that makes you more cold, hard cash. Like me. I'm a stay-at-home dad for the last couple years, and it's costing me boatloads of money and will cost me boatloads of money in the future. Don't work or take time off from your career? Don't expect to get paid, hone your skills, or get promotions for a while.
11. This is the issues facing transgendered people, right here. This is why we need ENDA.
Who decided only transgendered males should wear fake eyelashes? You? That's a rather stupid thing to say.

This is just yet another bill singling out a matriarchally preferred sub-population for special treatment. Meanwhile, you don't even have the decency not to let a guy wear a tie to work, much less fake eyelashes.

Why should people be treated any differently? Because they belong to a matriarchally-endorsed "identity" group? Go fish.
12. Eh, going to have to agree on this. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing "the retarded guy" stereotype in TV, movies, commercials. Then again... I hate seeing stereotypes.
Yup.
13. Going to have to call you a douche on this one. If a person is drunk, they are unable to give informed consent, period. This works both ways as well, but again, men have screwed themselves into believing that men can't be raped.
Well then, extenuating circumstances aside, if they are both drunk, either they both go to jail, or neither.

According to you, then it's time for schools to start an awareness campaign about female rape of men...
 
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WOW. :eek:

I was going to say that you had a chip on your shoulder. ;)

But in your case you have WHOLE BLOCK.:D

What about the recent middle school boy that was suspended as he refused to remove a Vera Bradley Bag/ purse when told to by school officials, when the girls wearing the same of comparable bags/ purses have never been told to do such? This fact was brought to the school personnel and they just ignored this and stated that the boy was breaking school code (of which none exists within the school handbook, as verified by the principal and the family through local news groups).
 
Just two quickies:

1: the draft ended in the USA in 1973
2: what job requires women to wear High heals besides hooker?

Even though the use of the draft ended then, males of today are still required to register for it. Registration doesn't seem like a big deal on the surface to most, except that school funding (availability of higher education loans, for a college education that everyone wants to make equally available to all youth no matter their standing in life) is essentially ransomed over this registration. Any male that hasn't registered for the vote will not be granted any higher education loans/funding even though an un-needed and un-necessary draft requirement is still required by law.

I have never seen a job requiring the wearing of high heels for the position, un less it was a shoe model. I have to agree on the complaint as well, as I work in a professional environment that when I go into the office, males are required dress shirts and ties, yet women are just required to wear "appropriate attire" (which when questioned about hat statement were told it would be the discretion of the females to deem appropriateness. Like that isn't biased in anyway and this allowed the women to wear "pretty" t-shirts, and I say t-shirts as that is what they were labeled and sold as ion the stores as I saw them when shopping with my wife). Men were also required to wear dress shoes only, and the women could wear basically anything but sandals and tennis shoes, and the sandals were once again dependent on the consensus whether it was considered a sandal or not, as it might be an espadrilles or slingback, which wasn't a sandal, they defended when approached about it.

I have also never seen a workplace specify that a women is required to wear makeup or shave (as this really is a custom of your region), but have seen several where men are required to shave and not allowed to have beards, goatees, and at best a well groomed mustache that has to meet certain grooming standards.
 
Even though the use of the draft ended then, males of today are still required to register for it. Registration doesn't seem like a big deal on the surface to most, except that school funding (availability of higher education loans, for a college education that everyone wants to make equally available to all youth no matter their standing in life) is essentially ransomed over this registration. Any male that hasn't registered for the vote will not be granted any higher education loans/funding even though an un-needed and un-necessary draft requirement is still required by law.

I have never seen a job requiring the wearing of high heels for the position, un less it was a shoe model. I have to agree on the complaint as well, as I work in a professional environment that when I go into the office, males are required dress shirts and ties, yet women are just required to wear "appropriate attire" (which when questioned about hat statement were told it would be the discretion of the females to deem appropriateness. Like that isn't biased in anyway and this allowed the women to wear "pretty" t-shirts, and I say t-shirts as that is what they were labeled and sold as ion the stores as I saw them when shopping with my wife). Men were also required to wear dress shoes only, and the women could wear basically anything but sandals and tennis shoes, and the sandals were once again dependent on the consensus whether it was considered a sandal or not, as it might be an espadrilles or slingback, which wasn't a sandal, they defended when approached about it.

I have also never seen a workplace specify that a women is required to wear makeup or shave (as this really is a custom of your region), but have seen several where men are required to shave and not allowed to have beards, goatees, and at best a well groomed mustache that has to meet certain grooming standards.

That's because I have never seen a woman who didn't groom themselves acceptably. No need for a rule if everyone follows it anyway.
 
Wrong. You are not discriminated against - you just have to deal with the fact that out of a selection of 4 people in a job interview where one is a white, straight male, a woman, a black man and a gay man (or any combination of gender, race or sexuality), the job should go to the person who is most capable of the job. You cannot be discriminated against for being a white, straight man - if you were you would have equal cause to prosecute. Removing discrimination is different to positive discrimination where companies try to fill quotas to maintain, say an ethnically diverse workforce.
As for being "denied rights based upon my color, religious affiliation, and sex", I would argue that very few countries discriminate against men (please, name one) and as for the other factors, I suspect those countries were not renowned for being democratic states.

So since you say I am not discriminated against, then it is not true? When I am the best candidate for the position, yet don't get it, because I am a certain race, that is discrimination, positive or not, it is discrimination.

How is an ethnically diverse workforce a valid reason for "positive" or any discrimination (even positive is still discrimination). In most production type environments, an ethnically or sexually diverse workforce doesn't produce a better product, or one that is more appealing to the public. Engineering is a science and I don't see how having differing views based upon racial, sexual, religious, etc backgrounds makes the numbers any more true or correct. No matter the backgrounds the science is a fact and not open to interpretation. I can see where in terms of design appearance differing viewpoints can help to market to the public, but in most production environments this makes no difference.
 
Not to completely derail this thread (although it seems to have run it's hateful course already), but there are, and have been, numerous places of employment where a woman's physical appearance has been a factor in her hiring or dismissal.
 
That's because I have never seen a woman who didn't groom themselves acceptably. No need for a rule if everyone follows it anyway.

Lucky for you. I have worked in several places where people didn't bath regularly (both male and female, and we are talking like once every 3-4 weeks and generally ate very spicy and pungent foods so the scents were much more pronounced), never combed or washed their hair, used deodorant, a big deal when not bathing as this was the same group, etc. It was a less than pleasant environment to be in to say the least.
 
Lucky for you. I have worked in several places where people didn't bath regularly (both male and female, and we are talking like once every 3-4 weeks and generally ate very spicy and pungent foods so the scents were much more pronounced), never combed or washed their hair, used deodorant, a big deal when not bathing as this was the same group, etc. It was a less than pleasant environment to be in to say the least.

What was the sex balance in this group?
 
That's because I have never seen a woman who didn't groom themselves acceptably. No need for a rule if everyone follows it anyway.

We have one. All other women dress and groom (sounds weird, like an animal planet phrase) very nicely. The men...depends on the guy. Some of us, especially the overnight shift or weekend people)...lucky if they changed their underpants before coming in.
 
So since you say I am not discriminated against, then it is not true? When I am the best candidate for the position, yet don't get it, because I am a certain race, that is discrimination, positive or not, it is discrimination.

How do you know you're the best candidate for a position?

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Not to completely derail this thread (although it seems to have run it's hateful course already), but there are, and have been, numerous places of employment where a woman's physical appearance has been a factor in her hiring or dismissal.

Remember recently the dentist who fired his assistant for being too tempting?
 
We have one. All other women dress and groom (sounds weird, like an animal planet phrase) very nicely. The men...depends on the guy. Some of us, especially the overnight shift or weekend people)...lucky if they changed their underpants before coming in.

Fair enough. But it is clearly a lot worse for men than women ;).
 
What was the sex balance in this group?

I really am not sure, but it was pretty close in breakdown if I remember. The maintenance and management force were male strong (if memory serves me correctly), but the accounting, HR, were more female dominated, and then the general work force was pretty evenly split, if favoring any group it would have been the women that were larger in numbers. It was very close though I would say, and didn't generally favor one over the other. If there was a favor it would be a few percentage points (not more than 5-6%), but nothing that would scream inequality to anyone.
 
How do you know you're the best candidate for a position?


I said me, but the case I was thinking about, while referencing this was not me, but another co-worker. I know the one worker was the better candidate, as I had seen both the resumes, and new the work history. I had worked with both people in question for over 6 years, so I knew them both very well. One was college educated, the other was not (as were most of the people I worked with, many took this career as it enabled them to easily attend school and work). They had both started the company when I had, so we all had the same 6 years in with the company. When the management position opened up for an internal promotion only, there were no managers of anything other than white male classification. The two applying were both males and with the same performance history and no reprimands or disparaging/ disqualifying marks on their work records (or any marks of any kind, as we had discussed this all the time as workers do in the same job). The non-white (and also non-college educated in this case) male was selected for the job. When it was brought to the union's attention, the quota was the reason given for the promotion being given to one over the other.

The union rep looked into it and the company could only come up with a quota reasoning for the hiring. A grievance was filed and that is when the "no reverse discrimination" answer was brought about in the company and the court system as it was pursued there. Miraculously after all of these charges, rather than take the promotion away from the one applicant, they instead created a "new" position for the other and promoted him as well. We were told by the union rep that the agreement was made with the company this way to avoid negative publicity for a "possible" racially motivated change (and possible lawsuit) if the other was removed from his position and this was the fairest result for all involved.
 
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