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Say goodbye to security.
I said goodbye to macOS security since I first started using Macs back in the late 1980s when we were able to get apps (freeware, shareware, paid ware) from anywhere we wanted and can still to this day. You know what? Zero problems since.

But go ahead and continue to spread your (and Apple's) FUD :rolleyes:


Good bye to Security and Privacy. It will open up the door access to Melware :(

Oh, please :rolleyes:
 
Say goodbye to security.
Worse, you can’t protect yourself because any information a family member or friend has on their phone about you will be more easily made public.

It’s bad enough Facebook and Linked In upload your personal information from other peoples’ phones without your consent, but now it will be scraped by every stupid game they use as well.
 
Apple’s status as both the referee and a player on the sole authorized general-purpose app distribution platform for iOS gives them an opportunity to disadvantage apps and services against which they compete, to break rules that they expect others to follow, and to access sensitive financial information regarding competitors in order to capture ideas that are taking off and proceed to either acquire or copy them.
Can you provide any specific examples of these?

Three major competitors with Apple (Spotify for music, Netflix for streaming video, Amazon for ebooks) all have their apps in the App Store and also have 100% of the payments located on the web and don't pay a cut.
 
Then you aren’t forced to reward that developer’s decision by installing that app. The fact that sideloading would most likely be disabled by default and buried deep in Settings and probably multiple scary dialogs requiring user confirmation to enable that functionality in the first place is enough of a UX hindrance to offer a compelling reason to stay in the App Store for an overwhelming majority of developers. That's without even getting to the issue of how to tell people how to find your app outside the App Store, how to deal with updates, and so on.

Sideloading, however, would allow apps that Apple currently forbids for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with security and everything to do with their bottom line.
Sideloading would also allow apps from trusted parties you’ve installed already with features an possibilities without the straight-jacket-limitations apple imposes..
 
You’re entitled to your detached from reality opinion. Never heard apple describe MacOs as vulnerable with all the any/every app a user can find online.. it’s not about finding, it’s about installing. Someone would be detached from reality to do so..
Macs are largely immune from virus/malware/adware though. A much better example would be Windows. It might not be as bad as it used to be, but Windows is riddled with things that secretly steal from the user.

Stop the patronizing tone, btw. We can have a discussion without immature comments about someone being crazy, which is essentially what you were trying to say.
 
You can do what you want, I’m not willing to risk it. The difference largely in PC vs phone access is that the average user has way more metadata, incriminating and personal data on their phones, including texts, calls, voicemails, dick pics, etc.
x2 fa sho bro
 
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Can you provide any specific examples of these?

Three major competitors with Apple (Spotify for music, Netflix for streaming video, Amazon for ebooks) all have their apps in the App Store and also have 100% of the payments located on the web and don't pay a cut.
The latter case falls under “inhibiting” because they not only aren’t allowed to collect payments in-app (a significant UX issue in itself) but, pending a policy change by Apple, they aren’t even allowed to instruct users how to make a purchase outside the app. Their options are to lose prospective subscribers due to signup friction or pay up to 30% of their revenue to Apple, against whom they directly compete, which many services like this can’t afford without raising prices. For a given service, Apple is able to either deliver it cheaper or make more profit on it because they don’t have to worry about paying a significant chunk of their revenue to someone else. (Generally, they go with the latter, of course.)

There exist numerous examples of Apple copying nascent App Store apps’ ideas to build them into their own OSes, but the most recent that comes to my mind is the FlickType swipe-typing keyboard for Apple Watch, which Apple repeatedly stonewalled in App Review for a multitude of farcical reasons recently before building a swipe-typing keyboard into watchOS for the Apple Watch Series 7, which Apple used as a selling point for its larger display. As for acquiring competition, Apple’s not the worst offender there; that’s more of a Facebook problem.
 
The bill, which was first introduced over the summer, would require major changes to the App Store if passed in its current incarnation. It is designed to prevent "dominant platforms" from "abusing their gatekeeper power" by favoring their own products and services over those of competitors.

Senator Dianne Feinstein criticized the bill and said that it targets a "small number of specific companies," and Senator Alex Padilla said that it was difficult to "see the justification for a bill that regulates the behavior of only a handful of companies while allowing everyone else to continue engaging in that exact same behavior."


I guess Feinstein and Padilla are unfamiliar with our country's long history of antitrust legislation, which specifically and uniquely targets any company with dominant power as the means to prevent monopolistic and anti-competitive behavior. To wit, those laws, and the long string of enforcement precedents they produced, explicitly outline behaviors that are illegal for a dominant player but legal for others.
Not a lawyer, but wouldn't the Bill of Attainder clause generally preclude targeted legislative action? There is a provision today for antitrust enforcement - DOJ would file suit alleging violation of the Sherman Act.

While it ultimately may be allowed, the Supreme Court cases I found (notably against Huawei) all have been upheld when challenged by the named parties as they were named provisions were directly related to direct interaction with the US Government and not commerce in general. Understanding that correlation does not equal causation it does make me wonder if such a globally impacting law targeting one or two named companies would withstand judicial scrutiny.
 
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I said goodbye to macOS security since I first started using Macs back in the late 1980s when we were able to get apps from anywhere we wanted and can still to this day. You know what? Zero problems since.

But go ahead and continue to spread your (and Apple's) FUD :rolleyes:




Oh, please :rolleyes:
How on God’s Green Earth did you interpret I was spreading anti-Apple FUD?

If anything, I am advocating protecting their App Store model. I’ve been using Macs (and before that, Apple ][) longer than you so please, drop the condescension.

Viruses have affected Apple since at least 1982. Not as much as other systems for a multitude of reasons, most of which are due to market share. And because Macs weren’t generally as lucrative of targets as they were not embedded into the architecture of networks (intra & inter) like Linux & Windows are/were.
 
You can't guarantee that though, if sideloading is allowed what if companies pull the app from the app store and only distribute it via sideloading? Then it does most definitely impact and *removes* that choice where I can get everything via the app store.

Also tangentially what if the app is still offered in both places but you get more features or earlier access to features if you sideload the app? Plenty of ways this can impact users who don't want sideloading.
To paragraph 1, that is exactly the point. Right now we have no choice. I know it is scary for you to have to take responsibility for security of your own device, but life is hard once you move away from home.

Paragraph 2 is ridiculously ignorant (Note that I indicated the thought, not you personally). No developer is going to offer more features for side loading unless Apple blocks those features in the App Store.

Small devs will use the App Store because its hard to judge the trustworthiness of small devs. Large devs will use the App Store because it is convenient. Everyone will use side loading to prevent Apple's nanny political beliefs from censoring Apps that people want or for Apps that compete with, but are better than Apple's.

Everyone wins when there is competition.
 
Changing exterior car parts isn’t a perfect 1:1 analogy. It’s like putting a case on your phone. A better analogy (to side-loaded apps) would be putting in aftermarket engine parts that just occasionally blows up your motor. Or causes your brakes to suddenly fail in traffic.
Well, an iPhone case = car foil wrapping, nothing more.

The VW Beetle of your Avatar is fully side-loaded, rooted and jail broken on top.
It has non-approved third-party tires, non-approved third-party breaks, a non-approved third-party aftermarket engine mod, non-approved third-party lights and probably more.
All untested, not approved by VW against the rest of the original components, and also not in case of an accident.

If it's your VW, you are probably in more danger by driving it, than by using a iPhone with a side-loaded app.
Per Apples definition, your Avatar VW has potential to break your neck and slingshot your family out of it, or even explode.

If you find that VW cool, then you are a pro side-loading guy.

Nothing against side-loading, that VW is probably safer than the original, but it's side-loading.
Anyway side-loading innovates, as you can see in your Avatar.
 
Well, an iPhone case = car foil wrapping, nothing more.

The VW Beetle of your Avatar is fully side-loaded, rooted and jail broken on top.
It has non-approved third-party tires, non-approved third-party breaks, a non-approved third-party aftermarket engine mod, non-approved third-party lights and probably more.
All untested, not approved by VW against the rest of the original components, and also not in case of an accident.

If it's your VW, you are probably in more danger by driving it, than by using a iPhone with a side-loaded app.
Per Apples definition, your Avatar VW has potential to break your neck and slingshot your family out of it or explode.

If you find that VW cool, then you are a pro side-loading guy.

Nothing against side-loading, that VW is probably safer than the original, but it's side-loading.
Anyway side-loading innovates, as you can see.
Your imagination is (almost) priceless, too bad you’re just plain wrong
 
*Downloads Bank of America app*
Coder misses something and sends phone into a death spiral.
*Calls Apple support*
Apple: Oh, you downloaded it directly from Bank of America website? That’s side loading and our warranty nor technical support team, covers 3rd party apps and what they do to the hardware. You’ll have to contact Bank of America. Thank you for calling Apple.
 
Well, an iPhone case = car foil wrapping, nothing more.

The VW Beetle of your Avatar is fully side-loaded, rooted and jail broken on top.
It has non-approved third-party tires, non-approved third-party breaks, a non-approved third-party aftermarket engine mod, non-approved third-party lights and probably more.
All untested, not approved by VW against the rest of the original components, and also not in case of an accident.

If it's your VW, you are probably in more danger by driving it, than by using a iPhone with a side-loaded app.
Per Apples definition, your Avatar VW has potential to break your neck and slingshot your family out of it, or even explode.

If you find that VW cool, then you are a pro side-loading guy.

Nothing against side-loading, that VW is probably safer than the original, but it's side-loading.
Anyway side-loading innovates, as you can see.
I never said I was against side loading. I just said say goodbye to security if you do engage in it. :)
 
Won't apps with sufficient market power just not go through the App Store and add extra stuff to track users?

I can already see Facebook pulling all its apps from the App Store to circumvent the privacy rules thing
Yikes that would be terrible. I can see many people blindly installing a Facebook appstore so they can get Messenger, Instagram, and the Facebook App. I can also see Facebook wanting to get back all the tracking that Apple recently made them get rid of in iOS 14.
 
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