U.S. Supreme Court to Review Whether Lawsuit Accusing Apple of App Store Monopoly Should Proceed

[CarlJ]

Somehow that argument didn't work in favor of Microsoft..if you didn't like internet explorer, you didn't have to buy a Windows desktop.

Microsoft, at the time, had something like 90% of the desktop PC market, and using any of the alternatives required substantial compromises (like extremely limited availability of commercial softwae). Apple has well under half of the smartphone market. Other choices are widely available and well supported, and the customers using Apple devices have sought them out and made a decision to go into the Apple ecosystem. So it's a considerably different situation.

 

[Rickinsav]

There's very limited space in a cruise ship.

Ever had a 16gb iPhone?

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Apple has argued that it doesn't set prices for paid apps
But they control what prices you can change
make dev's pay fees to be in the store even for free apps
controls what goes into the store with content censorship.

All app needs to do is enable side loading or add Cydia.

You can side load if you have the source code.
Otherwise that would be opening the doors to massive piracy.

 

[George Dawes]

the ironic thing is monopoly doesn't even work on the ipad anymore

sad but true , i loved that game

 

[cube]

Ever had a 16gb iPhone?

My Jolla has 16GB and 3 stores installed.

 

[Baymowe335]

Gillette doesn't prevent companies from selling their own blades to customers. Apple does.

Sure they do. You can't get replacement blades for Gillette's razor that fit correctly. You can get an entirely new razor, but you can also get an entirely new phone and leave Apple.

 

[Krayzkat]

It is a monopoly but it's a monopoly i knowingly pay into because of the benefits and 'safeness' the Apple ecosystem gives you.

 

[TEG]

I have several "apps" on my phone, loaded from company websites. They are actually build on Steve's original idea of HTML5 based Apps, and they work great.

 

[Gorms]

Even if you had the option of installing something else.
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Easy: you cannot install iOS apps from anywhere else.

The question is whether it is legal.

You can sideload apps onto device from Xcode yourself. You can jailbreak and install Cydia (well, that's an -ish these days). You can save web apps to home screen and run them from there. There are also routes to install apps without App Store if you have an Enterprise license. So, for what it's worth, you can install apps from elsewhere.

 

[cube]

You can sideload apps onto device from Xcode yourself. You can jailbreak and install Cydia (well, that's an -ish these days). You can save web apps to home screen and run them from there. There are also routes to install apps without App Store if you have an Enterprise license. So, for what it's worth, you can install apps from elsewhere.

Xcode: invalid example
Jailbreaking: invalid example
Web apps: invalid example
Enterprise: invalid example

The average user cannot install real apps properly from anything other than the Appstore.

You can in Android
You can in Sailfish
You can in BB10

 

[neutralguy]

Sure they do. You can't get replacement blades for Gillette's razor that fit correctly. You can get an entirely new razor, but you can also get an entirely new phone and leave Apple.

I don't think Gillette is preventing another third party company to come up with their own blades. There is nothing that prevents a company to look at the gillette handle and build a blade that fits perfect. Maybe it's not cost effective to do so. But computer/phones can't be analogous tto willda but that. Unless you tell me that you can use gillette razor to cut vegetables, then it would make sense.

 

[Apple_Robert]

If Apple did allow people to download apps outside the store, and a consumer had his or her phone or identity compromised, because they got what they wanted, said consumer would sue Apple.

Don’t buy Apple if you don’t like Apple Pie.

 

[zweigand]

Or maybe Apple will reduce their fee to 5%.

You completely ignore the rest of the post and go to "Maybe apple will reduce their fee."

Yes, they would probably have to. But Apple isn't simply hosting apps, they are vetting as well. Something that actually costs money to do, and something Amazon, etc. wouldn't have to or care to do (at least properly). So Apple drops fees to match Amazon ...then what happens when amazon announces "all apps using the new Amazon advertising api get hosted for free"? The race to free is why we have so many lame apps as it is.

Look at the hellscape that is internet advertising. That's the kind of tech an open app store would enable. "Gimme Free" is ruining developers lives far more than Apple's fees.

 

[spazzcat]

Somehow that argument didn't work in favor of Microsoft..if you didn't like internet explorer, you didn't have to buy a Windows desktop.

MS had a monopoly in the PC market, Apple and Linux were not big enough.

 

[cube]

I don't think Gillette is preventing another third party company to come up with their own blades. There is nothing that prevents a company to look at the gillette handle and build a blade that fits perfect.

I could be prevented by a patent that lasts many years.

Same for coffee capsules.

 

[spazzcat]

The market is iOS devices.

You can replace the stereo in the car.

You can buy a different smartphone, no one is making you buy an iPhone. The iPhone is in the smartphone market.

 

[cube]

You completely ignore the rest of the post and go to "Maybe apple will reduce their fee."

Yes, they would probably have to. But Apple isn't simply hosting apps, they are vetting as well. Something that actually costs money to do, and something Amazon, etc. wouldn't have to or care to do (at least properly). So Apple drops fees to match Amazon ...then what happens when amazon announces "all apps using the new Amazon advertising api get hosted for free"? The race to free is why we have so many lame apps as it is.

Look at the hellscape that is internet advertising. That's the kind of tech an open app store would enable. "Gimme Free" is ruining developers lives far more than Apple's fees.

Then maybe Amazon would be subsidizing their appstore and could be sued.
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You can buy a different smartphone, no one is making you buy an iPhone. The iPhone is in the smartphone market.

Yes, and that is not the issue at hand.

 

[jimothyGator]

Somehow that argument didn't work in favor of Microsoft..if you didn't like internet explorer, you didn't have to buy a Windows desktop.

The court was wrong then (Microsoft never had a monopoly in operating systems nor web browsers). Hopefully, they won't be wrong this time.

(Not to mention that if you didn't like Internet Explorer, you could buy a Windows machine and not use Internet Explorer, a choice millions of people made).

 

[BootsWalking]

Sure they do. You can't get replacement blades for Gillette's razor that fit correctly. You can get an entirely new razor, but you can also get an entirely new phone and leave Apple.

And what specifically does Gillette do that prevents other companies from making replacement blades that fit correctly?

 

[DNichter]

This is an easy win for Apple. Why should they allow apps outside of their app store onto iPhone? This would be a serious compromise in regards to stability, performance, privacy, and security. Just ask Android.

 

[cube]

The court was wrong then (Microsoft never had a monopoly in operating systems nor web browsers). Hopefully, they won't be wrong this time.

(Not to mention that if you didn't like Internet Explorer, you could buy a Windows machine and not use Internet Explorer, a choice millions of people made).

You don't need to have a monopoly, you just need to abuse the market to be in the wrong.

It was fine to sue Microsoft and Intel. But too little, too late.

 

[FrenchRoasted]

Apple is a monopoly like you and I have monopoly over our own house, we decide who comes and goes. Just like most problems, it becomes very clear from a private property perspective.

 

[genovelle]

Somehow that argument didn't work in favor of Microsoft..if you didn't like internet explorer, you didn't have to buy a Windows desktop.

Not the same thing. Apple makes their own product and OS. Much like a TV or other appliance. Microsoft makes an OS that other companies licensed but their product doesn’t work at all without Microsoft so they have not choice but to include windows or go out of business. Microsoft owned 90% of the PC business which includes Apple’s Mac and when new technology came along they precluded manufacturers from partnering with other vendors like browser companies from being bundled on their machines or face penalties.

 

[cube]

Apple is a monopoly like you and I have monopoly over our own house, we decide who comes and goes. Just like most problems, it becomes very clear from a private property perspective.

I own my phone.

 

[genovelle]

You don't need to have a monopoly, you just need to abuse the market to be in the wrong.

It was fine to sue Microsoft and Intel. But too little, too late.

Microsoft sti

Exactly. This is why I said it's a slippery slope.

If you see a Disney movie and want to ride the attraction, you can only go to Disney World to do so.

As it should be. If you create something you should have the right to determine how it is used and presented. The slippery slope is the Google mindset that anything is fair game. Take and use other peoples property as much as you want. It’s like you buying a really nice home, and spending a fortune to install a new pool. Then you wake up on Sunday to a pool party. Your neighbors saw your pool and invited some friends and family over for a swim.