Uber CEO Travis Kalanick Resigns

[thisisnotmyname]

I'm not going to read the comments because I think I can predict what they'll be. In my opinion Uber supplies a great service and I will continue to be a customer despite the various "scandals". I do believe that Uber has done some shady things throughout its history but I also believe those actions are being blown out of proportion due to labor activists seeing Uber as the front line of what automation will eventually do (and is doing) to the employment market. Automation is coming whether you like it or not. It's time to embrace robots and AI, you risk being the proverbial buggy whip manufacturers.

 

[Analog Kid]

Not enough. Uber came to it's position in the market through unethical and often illegal behaviors. Sacrificing the CEO isn't sufficient penance. The investors of that company need to be wiped out and left to think about what damage they allowed their greed to do.

 

[CarlJ]

Victim of the mob. Uber is amazing. What an amazing thing Travis built and I'm sorry to see him driven out by the nonsense that passes for discourse in this tyrannical mob of a world.

Sexual harassment is not nonsense (there are many reported cases). Breaking laws/rules and going to extreme lengths to avoid getting caught doing so (thus making it crystal clear you know you were doing wrong) is not nonsense (there are many reported cases). Coming up with an innovative new business model is a terrific thing. It does not excuse being horrible people, behaving horribly, and breaking laws. And the sad thing is, they could have built an empire without being horrible.

 

[vmachiel]

You're awful dismissive of the "great that he built it" part. That's the point.

The "scandals" are nothing.
[doublepost=1498049954][/doublepost]I feel like there's a lot of conjecture in your theories


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Disagree. I like the Uber app a lot more.

Scandals are nothing? Have you heard him talk lately? Have you seen him talk to that uber driver who was just voicing concerns about his job. He's a class A ******

 

[Analog Kid]

Sexual harassment is not nonsense (there are many reported cases). Breaking laws/rules and going to extreme lengths to avoid getting caught doing so (thus making it crystal clear you know you were doing wrong) is not nonsense (there are many reported cases). Coming up with an innovative new business model is a terrific thing. It does not excuse being horrible people, behaving horribly, and breaking laws.

You've left out the latest and most disturbing: obtaining the medical records of a woman raped by one of their drivers (proven and convicted) then sharing them publicly in an attempt to discredit or intimidate her.

What kind of company behaves like that?!?

And the theft of IP from Google which frankly pales in comparison to the other issues but does raise the question of how innovative a company really is if they've got a $70billion valuation and still need to steal low level design files...

And the sad thing is, they could have built an empire without being horrible.

This, right here, is the key point. To all the people singing the praises of Uber, separate the rather mundane innovation of calling a cab with an app from all the illegal behavior and ask why we couldn't have had one without the other?

If taxi medallion holders lost their investments for the simple sin of being slow to innovate, then why should Uber's investors be able to keep theirs after profiting from years of illegal and unethical behavior?

 

[smarch]

Scandals are nothing? Have you heard him talk lately? Have you seen him talk to that uber driver who was just voicing concerns about his job. He's a class A ******

Yes, I've heard him talk and got no problem with it. That driver was a class A ******. Yes, the scandals are nothing.
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That's odd, because just yesterday I got an email from Uber as a driver who hasn't driven in a while but hadn't quit the app, that they were making a slew of changes, including adding tipping to the app and offering us medical insurance for accidents. I think the signatures at the bottom were other execs though not Kalanick. So maybe that was part of the shakeup yesterday.

I liked the uber idea of no tipping

I'm not going to read the comments because I think I can predict what they'll be. In my opinion Uber supplies a great service and I will continue to be a customer despite the various "scandals". I do believe that Uber has done some shady things throughout its history but I also believe those actions are being blown out of proportion due to labor activists seeing Uber as the front line of what automation will eventually do (and is doing) to the employment market. Automation is coming whether you like it or not. It's time to embrace robots and AI, you risk being the proverbial buggy whip manufacturers.

Agree. It's a bunch of busy-bodies trying to look compassionate, ruining a good thing in the process, and ultimately causing MORE pain and suffering, not less. It's horrible and destructive and the new norm. Bunch of ungrateful virtue-signalling jerks; only in it for themselves.
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Sexual harassment is not nonsense (there are many reported cases). Breaking laws/rules and going to extreme lengths to avoid getting caught doing so (thus making it crystal clear you know you were doing wrong) is not nonsense (there are many reported cases). Coming up with an innovative new business model is a terrific thing. It does not excuse being horrible people, behaving horribly, and breaking laws. Abd the sad thing is, they could have built an empire without being horrible.

Horrible in your opinion. Sexual harassment everywhere and i won't get into that minefield, but majority of critics have lost all credibility for me, even on that count (which is unfair to actual victims; you have the self righteous and destructive mob to thank for that). As for the laws/regulations... it's the blowhard mafia that created and enforce these laws that are the horrible people. Uber has proven that beyond a doubt. Down with the blowhard busy-bodies, up with Uber, up with Travis- that's what I say.

I like that you have ideas about what they "could" have built.
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You've left out the latest and most disturbing: obtaining the medical records of a woman raped by one of their drivers (proven and convicted) then sharing them publicly in an attempt to discredit or intimidate her.

What kind of company behaves like that?!?

And the theft of IP from Google which frankly pales in comparison to the other issues but does raise the question of how innovative a company really is if they've got a $70billion valuation and still need to steal low level design files...


This, right here, is the key point. To all the people singing the praises of Uber, separate the rather mundane innovation of calling a cab with an app from all the illegal behavior and ask why we couldn't have had one without the other?

If taxi medallion holders lost their investments for the simple sin of being slow to innovate, then why should Uber's investors be able to keep theirs after profiting from years of illegal and unethical behavior?

It's the creation of the BS medallion system that was the sin. Uber proves it.

If creating your version of an 'ethical' version of uber is so easy, where is it? Why haven't you done it?

 

[Analog Kid]

If creating your version of an 'ethical' version of uber is so easy, where is it? Why haven't you done it?

If creating an ethical version of Uber is so hard, should it really exist?

 

[UL2RA]

The "controversies and scandals".

Pretending they don't exist doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[smarch]

Pretending they don't exist doesn't mean they don't exist.

Pretending they are important doesn't mean they are important
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If creating an ethical version of Uber is so hard, should it really exist?

It's plenty ethical for me. By far more ethical than taxi system.

 

[Analog Kid]

It's plenty ethical for me. By far more ethical than taxi system.

I'm curious if this is a auto-translate problem or something... Does whatever you're viewing the news through distinguish between the words "ethical" and "profitable"?

 

[smarch]

I'm curious if this is a auto-translate problem or something... Does whatever you're viewing the news through distinguish between the words "ethical" and "profitable"?

It works better, makes people happier AND it's more profitable than taxis? What terrible people.

 

[verycaroline]

You go work for them. We'll see how long you last.

The place is a revolving door. I know this firsthand. Besides basic ethical implications, that's not going to do the company any favors.

Frankly, you sound like a raving lunatic. Period. And it's scandals. Not "scandals". There's plenty of proof.

Lastly, you go right ahead and define how "virtue signaling" means literally ANYTHING related to well-documented culture and HR issues at a poorly functioning software company, exactly? Actually, just define virtue signalling, and quantify its impact on uber in your own words. We'll wait.

Kalanick had a good idea and was and is a weak, ineffective leader. It caught up to him. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Yes, I've heard him talk and got no problem with it. That driver was a class A ******. Yes, the scandals are nothing.
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I liked the uber idea of no tipping

Agree. It's a bunch of busy-bodies trying to look compassionate, ruining a good thing in the process, and ultimately causing MORE pain and suffering, not less. It's horrible and destructive and the new norm. Bunch of ungrateful virtue-signalling jerks; only in it for themselves.
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Horrible in your opinion. Sexual harassment everywhere and i won't get into that minefield, but majority of critics have lost all credibility for me, even on that count (which is unfair to actual victims; you have the self righteous and destructive mob to thank for that). As for the laws/regulations... it's the blowhard mafia that created and enforce these laws that are the horrible people. Uber has proven that beyond a doubt. Down with the blowhard busy-bodies, up with Uber, up with Travis- that's what I say.

I like that you have ideas about what they "could" have built.
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It's the creation of the BS medallion system that was the sin. Uber proves it.

If creating your version of an 'ethical' version of uber is so easy, where is it? Why haven't you done it?

u go

 

[Stateboytechie]

Wowww! Uber is doomed!

http://jump.aragontrack.com/aff_c?offer_id=24969&aff_id=30125

 

[Analog Kid]

It works better, makes people happier AND it's more profitable than taxis? What terrible people.

... and now we're full circle back to @CarlJ 's point... Your first sentence and second sentence have nothing to do with each other.

Uber is also bleeding something like $2.5billion a year.

 

[Peter K.]

Yes, I've heard him talk and got no problem with it. That driver was a class A ******. Yes, the scandals are nothing.
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I liked the uber idea of no tipping

...

Most cheapskates agree with you.

 

[vmachiel]

It works better, makes people happier AND it's more profitable than taxis? What terrible people.

Do have stock in Uber or something?

 

[smarch]

You go work for them. We'll see how long you last.

The place is a revolving door. I know this firsthand. Besides basic ethical implications, that's not going to do the company any favors.

Frankly, you sound like a raving lunatic. Period. And it's scandals. Not "scandals". There's plenty of proof.

Lastly, you go right ahead and define how "virtue signaling" means literally ANYTHING related to well-documented culture and HR issues at a poorly functioning software company, exactly? Actually, just define virtue signalling, and quantify its impact on uber in your own words. We'll wait.

Kalanick had a good idea and was and is a weak, ineffective leader. It caught up to him. Good riddance to bad rubbish.


u go

Seems pretty effective to me.. but I'll defer to your first hand knowledge and proven track record.
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Most cheapskates agree with you.

It's not about that home boy
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Do have stock in Uber or something?

No, I like using it and respect the accomplishments of others.

 

[vmachiel]

Seems pretty effective to me.. but I'll defer to your first hand knowledge and proven track record.
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It's not about that home boy
[doublepost=1498121894][/doublepost]
No, I like using it and respect the accomplishments of others.

It's just weird how defensive you're being of Travis. I get the Uber is amazing, but you can't get around the fact he's a ****** person.

 

[smarch]

It's just weird how defensive you're being of Travis. I get the Uber is amazing, but you can't get around the fact he's a ****** person.

there's too much premium on the mob's version of a 'good' person. Travis seems fine. Everybody getting all mad just doesn't seem genuine. Seems angry, maybe jealous? Don't know what it is, but it seems arrogant and destructive. My feeling is this is a symptom of mob rule and an indictment of our ever growing centralized federal government. Everybody is a busybody telling everybody else how to be and everybody craps on people that actually do something. Another description that I think is appropriate (though never sure): it's kafkaesque.

 

[vmachiel]

there's too much premium on the mob's version of a 'good' person. Travis seems fine. Everybody getting all mad just doesn't seem genuine. Seems angry, maybe jealous? Don't know what it is, but it seems arrogant and destructive. My feeling is this is a symptom of mob rule and an indictment of our ever growing centralized federal government. Everybody is a busybody telling everybody else how to be and everybody craps on people that actually do something. Another description that I think is appropriate (though never sure): it's kafkaesque.

Well agree to disagree then. He's still a douche in my eyes

 

[Peter K.]

Seems pretty effective to me.. but I'll defer to your first hand knowledge and proven track record.
[doublepost=1498121820][/doublepost]
It's not about that home boy
[doublepost=1498121894][/doublepost]
No, I like using it and respect the accomplishments of others.

What then? It's too cheap as is and now you don't have the "I don't carry cash" excuse.

 

[Analog Kid]

there's too much premium on the mob's version of a 'good' person. Travis seems fine. Everybody getting all mad just doesn't seem genuine. Seems angry, maybe jealous? Don't know what it is, but it seems arrogant and destructive. My feeling is this is a symptom of mob rule and an indictment of our ever growing centralized federal government. Everybody is a busybody telling everybody else how to be and everybody craps on people that actually do something. Another description that I think is appropriate (though never sure): it's kafkaesque.

Thanks, this sheds a lot of light on your position.

If I get this right, and there's a lot to parse here so forgive me if I miss a turn, you're saying that Kalanick's destructive arrogance is good for people, but criticizing the negative outcomes of his behavior is arrogant and destructive; people don't seem genuinely upset that the company stole technology, broke laws, treats women as sexual objects and shamed a rape victim, you think they're jealous of something; and the root cause of all this nonsense is that an overbearing government has given people too much freedom to express their opinions.


The most kafkaesque part of this story is that Kalanick woke up to find himself a disgusting insect.