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That's even more bold and ambitious that the report out the other day regarding Ford's goals toward a fully autonomous car. I wonder what Über's insurance liability premiums are going to be like with this venture, carrying around passengers as a business in a self-driving car.

Probably not much as long as they are keeping the safety engineers in the car.

But when this becomes unmanned, who knows? There are a lot of legal issues to be worked out.
 
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Think about your own car. You drive it to work where it stays parked for 8 hours, you then drive it home where it stays parked for another 12 hours, then repeat.

Imagine if your car could be making you money during the times you aren't using it.

Most likely we will not own these cars.
 
Another effect it will have is it will likely reverse the urbanization trend. For the past few decades, people have been moving back into city centers and leaving the suburbs. I think that self driving cars will make it easier to live further away from work and friends. This will also allow people to spend much less on homes and have a lot of extra income.


It doesn't actually save travel time. Just the fatigue of driving, and some of the hassles of parking. I think it will be beneficial to older people who want to remain in the suburbs, but it doesn't replace the convenience and service clustering in the city that young people value.
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I just can't imagine that Uber has been able to do more R&D then google who has had their level 4 car doing testing for years.


Why not? This is mission-critical to Uber, and they are extremely well-funded. It's probably the main focus of their entire R&D program. In contrast, this relates to only one secondly Google business (mapping); otherwise, it's just another cool tech like so many others Google dabbles in. Besides, Google is relatively non-secretive, so you are more aware of what they are doing than of the activities of many other companies.
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It will completely change our culture. It's going to have the biggest impact on our lives since the introduction of the cell phone. There is a crazy amount of stuff that's going to change in the next 20 years, due to self driving vehicles. Here's a few, but I could go on for hours...

Want a new iPhone? Send your car to the Apple Store and they will drop it off in the car. On the way home, bring back pizza for the family. Oh, we needed more toilet paper, I'll make sure to send the car to Costco on the way back to pick some up. No delivery fees, no waiting = endless possibilities.

I live in California and my best friend lives in Utah. Sleep in my car bed and wake up in Utah.

I can go on and on with this one...


This. It's a game changer, and we can't even imagine some of the new things that may open up.

Potentially, the biggest thing I can think of is that it makes car-ownership far less important. We might find that in 2030, car ownership is only for enthusiasts.
 
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The problem of automation however is a social problem. As we have the internet, the video games, self check out and now driverless cars (to mention but a few obvious ones), we end up with two major social issues. First is the loss of human contact. We spend much less time with others than ever before and that has an impact on culture. The second is the jobs being replaced by automation are the lower income, lower skilled jobs. This creates a huge problem in terms of poverty and inequities that is already stirring up a lot of anxiety and is clearly visible in this election year.

Whenever something new threatens take on a duty currently filled by a human, some folks immeditaly think society will crumble. I think that's way too narrow a view on the change. So a computer drives the car and thus a human is out of a job, right? I think not exactly. This new technology will create new jobs, some of which will require humans. You mentioned that these new automonus cars will be better maintained than current cars. Someone, likey humans in some capactiy, will have to build them, test them, and maintain them. If this technology allows uber to transport 100x more people, will they need more customer service folks to handle the increase in customer issues? Will they need a team of rescue vehicles if a self driving car breaks down? If uber has 100 cars running around a city (because their abilty to scale is no longer limited to human driver availibility), that's a lot of oil changes, brake jobs, and vomit clean up. So the humans may not be replaced, but moved to another function.

As far as having no driver = no more social skills - I dont buy that either. When I'm in an uber, I'm often not alone. I'm often tipsy from a 3 mimosa brunch with friends. Or what about a person who can't drive who's abilty to get around town depends on a taxi service. Most of our new tech is built around human interaction. Think about it. Sure it's differnt, but that doesnt mean it's worse.
 
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I don't get the fascination and rush for self-driving cars

You'll get it once you see someone in a major accident.

Then you'll realize that every day there's 100 preventable deaths and thousands of preventable major injuries in the world caused by human error in cars.

The sooner autonomous cars are deployed, the sooner lives are saved.

Then there's also the massive boost in productivity and reduction of stress when humans no longer have to deal with traffic themselves and can instead have their car do it for them.

Just a week ago I watched a stranger die in an SUV because a semi changed lanes without looking or signaling. If the semi was autonomous, it wouldn't have changed lanes. If the SUV had been autonomous, it would have seen the semi abruptly moving towards it and could have swerved out of the way.

A month ago, the bridesmaid from my wedding ended up in the ICU because she crossed a four way and a drunk driver in a pickup T-boned into her SUV at 90 miles an hour. If either vehicle was autonomous, the crash could have been avoided. Instead, her pelvis is shattered. She's fortunate. She'll heal and regain the ability to walk again next year.

Three years ago, I rear ended someone. They got whiplash and have to visit the doctor's for reoccurring migraines now.

Lives are impacted for the worse all the freaking time by these tiny mistakes that people make in vehicles. They're tiny mistakes made in a matter of milliseconds that impact people for months or years or forever. They can't be undone afterwards, but they can be prevented with autonomous driving.
 
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It doesn't actually save travel time. Just the fatigue of driving, and some of the hassles of parking. I think it will be beneficial to older people who want to remain in the suburbs, but it doesn't replace the convenience and service clustering in the city that young people value.

It will save time when all cares are autonomous. No more conservative gaps between cars because you have to build in the stupid human's reaction times. No more waiting for the idiot in front to put down their cell phone before they pull away. Possibly even the end of the traffic lights at intersections are cars will be self aware and can stack so they can all change directions in turn. It might even be the end of the controlled intersection. We Brits foresaw this decades ago with roundabouts.

Can't wait. My commute must take 40-50% longer than necessary because idiot humans are not paying attention, refuse to indicate etc etc.
 
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It doesn't actually save travel time. Just the fatigue of driving, and some of the hassles of parking. I think it will be beneficial to older people who want to remain in the suburbs, but it doesn't replace the convenience and service clustering in the city that young people value.
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Why not? This is mission-critical to Uber, and they are extremely well-funded. It's probably the main focus of their entire R&D program. In contrast, this relates to only one secondly Google business (mapping); otherwise, it's just another cool tech like so many others Google dabbles in. Besides, Google is relatively non-secretive, so you are more aware of what they are doing than of the activities of many other companies.
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This. It's a game changer, and we can't even imagine some of the new things that may open up.

Potentially, the biggest thing I can think of is that it makes car-ownership far less important. We might find that in 2030, car ownership is only for enthusiasts.


Again, this isn't Uber's technology anyway. The XC90 has been in testing by Volvo for some time now and is already equipped with autonomous driving technology similar to Tesla's (Pilot Assist I/II). This partnership is to benefit both companies.
 
I really can't believe that Uber is able to do this. I can't imagine that they have done more research and development then Google or Tesla.

Also Ford saying that they will have a level 4 autonomous vehicle Shipped by 2021 is crazy. They aren't even doing real world testing yet (if they are it's minimal).

I wouldn't trust Uber or Ford with this. Tesla has the data of millions of miles of roads with mapping and real world conditions.

I really feel like Uber is going to ruin this for all of the other companies by doing this so quickly, if there is a fatal accident and it's the vehicles fault this will hold everything up for everyone else.

I just can't imagine that Uber has been able to do more R&D then google who has had their level 4 car doing testing for years.
Did you miss this a few years ago?
https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/22/google-ventures-puts-258m-into-uber-its-largest-deal-ever/
 
It will save time when all cares are autonomous. No more conservative gaps between cars because you have to build in the stupid human's reaction times. No more waiting for the idiot in front to put down their cell phone before they pull away. Possibly even the end of the traffic lights at intersections are cars will be self aware and can stack so they can all change directions in turn. It might even be the end of the controlled intersection. We Brits foresaw this decades ago with roundabouts.

Can't wait. My commute must take 40-50% longer than necessary because idiot humans are not paying attention, refuse to indicate etc etc.

Those gaps between cars aren't just for reaction times, they're for actual braking distance and safety in general. Gaps aren't a problem when it comes to traffic speed, they're only a problem for those who insist that the person in front of them can force the next car to go faster.

I'm sure your commute takes longer than necessary but 40-50% seems like wishful thinking.
 
Those gaps between cars aren't just for reaction times, they're for actual braking distance and safety in general. Gaps aren't a problem when it comes to traffic speed, they're only a problem for those who insist that the person in front of them can force the next car to go faster.

I'm sure your commute takes longer than necessary but 40-50% seems like wishful thinking.

Self-driving cars will operate like a train on highways. The train will brake 'together' eliminating the need to the gaps required by law now. Cars will be very different when they are all autonomous. They have evolved to what they are today because they are driven by humans.
 
It will completely change our culture. It's going to have the biggest impact on our lives since the introduction of the cell phone. There is a crazy amount of stuff that's going to change in the next 20 years, due to self driving vehicles. Here's a few, but I could go on for hours...

Want a new iPhone? Send your car to the Apple Store and they will drop it off in the car. On the way home, bring back pizza for the family. Oh, we needed more toilet paper, I'll make sure to send the car to Costco on the way back to pick some up. No delivery fees, no waiting = endless possibilities.

I live in California and my best friend lives in Utah. Sleep in my car bed and wake up in Utah.

I can go on and on with this one...

Sir. I think u r talking about Robot, not autonomous cars.
 
I see thieves potentially being able to steal them or parts with ease, even if it's a wheel or a fender or something small off the car to sell.
If someone wants to do that, they can just walk into a parking garage today ...
The misuse of them as party vehicles or getting smashed up for fun.
The interior needs to be robust of course, similar to public transport today.
Who is to say if one pulls up for someone else and you get in instead of them?
There'd have to be some kind of authentication (perhaps tapping an NFC-enabled phone or RFID card).

The bigger problem to me seems how self-driving cars are supposed to deal with unexpected situations that we see every day particularly in urban traffic. Things as simple as getting around a double-parked vehicle or a construction site on a busy two-lane street.

On the other hand, the potential is huge, since it will open up personal transportation to whole new parts of the population who can't or won't drive today (such as kids, elderly or disabled people) as well as new applications such as deliveries and other things we haven't even thought about yet.
 
The bigger problem to me seems how self-driving cars are supposed to deal with unexpected situations that we see every day particularly in urban traffic. Things as simple as getting around a double-parked vehicle or a construction site on a busy two-lane street.

We won't see the benefits until government is allowed to fully back the switch. The scenarios you mentioned could be mitigated by smart roads that have sensors in them. All cars would be 'connected' so the parked car presented itself as an obstacle in advance (think of TCAS-like tech in airplanes). Further, parking may not be an issue in the future; if cars evolve to lose the bulk required at present, they could transform and 'fold' themselves away.

The possibilities are endless.
 
It's actually Volvo that's been doing the testing in China with the XC90 pictured above. The XC90 is the safest car ever made, so at least the passengers have a good chance.

all i have to say about Volvo is this ...
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i actually did not know that ... thank you. I guess that is a little more relief that they have had google helping them. But also someone else pointed out that it is Volvo that will be supplying the vehicles with the automation.
 
It will completely change our culture. It's going to have the biggest impact on our lives since the introduction of the cell phone. There is a crazy amount of stuff that's going to change in the next 20 years, due to self driving vehicles. Here's a few, but I could go on for hours...

Want a new iPhone? Send your car to the Apple Store and they will drop it off in the car. On the way home, bring back pizza for the family. Oh, we needed more toilet paper, I'll make sure to send the car to Costco on the way back to pick some up. No delivery fees, no waiting = endless possibilities.

I live in California and my best friend lives in Utah. Sleep in my car bed and wake up in Utah.

I can go on and on with this one...
You think we'll be sending our self-driving cars on round-trip missions? Not likely. The revolution will happen in human transport. I.e. we won't need to buy vehicles and instead request a ride to where we need to go and get picked up within minutes. Goodbye huge parking lot centers. Also will be huge for replacing semi-truck drivers.
 
As someone who has four elderly parents who have turned my husband and me into their personal Uber service as they refuse to use cabs or uber, I would say self driving cars could help extend the independence of the elderly or disabled or those with other restrictions on their driving

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We're dealing with elderly parents too. We'll all be elderly at some point and need help driving.
 
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You think we'll be sending our self-driving cars on round-trip missions? Not likely. The revolution will happen in human transport. I.e. we won't need to buy vehicles and instead request a ride to where we need to go and get picked up within minutes. Goodbye huge parking lot centers. Also will be huge for replacing semi-truck drivers.

People will not stop owning cars....Won't happen. This is the biggest misconception out there. In fact, cars are going to be larger and more luxurious. You will buy a car based on interior features, more so than the size of the engine. While there will be many people, especially in low-income areas, that will use self-driving services....most middle class working families will not pull out their phone to order a car every time they leave the house.

Round-trip missions, on the other hand, will have a huge impact on our society and if you're a smart business person, you'll invest in the right places.

A world of possibility awaits when you remove the need to have a driver in your own car. It's innevitable.
 
I currently drive a semi-autonomous car. On freeways it's almost completely autonomous. It slows and speeds up automatically with traffic flow, steers itself and changes lanes when I signal. What it won't do is follow the navigation automatically (yet). So I have to take over to exit the freeway or switch to a different freeway at an interchange.

I drove 200 miles last weekend through various freeway conditions that included construction. Not a single problem. The future of automobiles is almost here.

See the Mercedes-Benz concept here... https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/innovation/research-vehicle-f-015-luxury-in-motion/

Watch the real car video here...
 
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If someone wants to do that, they can just walk into a parking garage today ...
The interior needs to be robust of course, similar to public transport today.
There'd have to be some kind of authentication (perhaps tapping an NFC-enabled phone or RFID card).

The bigger problem to me seems how self-driving cars are supposed to deal with unexpected situations that we see every day particularly in urban traffic. Things as simple as getting around a double-parked vehicle or a construction site on a busy two-lane street.

On the other hand, the potential is huge, since it will open up personal transportation to whole new parts of the population who can't or won't drive today (such as kids, elderly or disabled people) as well as new applications such as deliveries and other things we haven't even thought about yet.
Anything that you can list under the heading "things as simple as" will probably be addressed early in the evolution of automated driving. It will be the unusual situations (which also confused human drivers) that give automated drivers and their passengers problems.

One advantage that automated driving software has is that it can more easily "learn" from obscure accidents that happen to other vehicles around the world.
 
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