Uh oh, Lion no longer available on App store

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Superfly503`, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. Superfly503` macrumors newbie

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    I guess you can call Apple and give them your credit card and they'll send you a download code in a couple days, but no new purchases can be made through the app store.

    I was always skeptical of selling Lion with no hard copy, seems it was correct.
     
  2. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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  3. weckart macrumors 68040

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    Apple also pulled disk versions from all its stores as soon as the next version launched so you were always relying on stock in third party stores or eBay, anyway.

    If you haven't bought Lion a year after it launched, the chances are you were never going to.
     
  4. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    Disk versions of what?
     
  5. TacticalDesire macrumors 68020

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    That's what typically happens when a new version of software is released. The old one gets replaced.........
     
  6. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    I assume the OS.
     
  7. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    ... except there never was a disk version of Lion for sale.
     
  8. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    we are talking about pre Lion
     
  9. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    Yep, but you also used to be able to go out and buy a used copy of the old one. Now if you have an older computer that mountain lion dropped support for and you haven't already upgraded to lion it is impossible to do so legally.
     
  10. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    Pre-Lion wasn't mentioned:

    Perhaps pre-Lion is what they meant, but it wasn't clear from the context.
     
  11. derbothaus macrumors 601

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    Should back these installers up after purchase as they remove themselves. It is only common sense. You can then make any number of bootable media sets for install.
     
  12. BenClement1978 macrumors member

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    you can still download it in the app store. just hold the option key while pressing purchase. it will show up for download. after that you could make a bootable disk...
     
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    First part: Talking about past OS practice

    Second part: Talking about current case with Lion based on past practices with old OS's. Not sure why you bolded Lion when you quoted him

    Yes it was as he specifically mentioned discs and anyone familiar with Apple knows Lion was never sold via disc so he was inferring on past OS practices whenever Apple released a new OS. Hence the terminology used "next version" and "discs" as opposed to specifically Lion.

    But you disagree. I get that. Just isn't hard to see what he was referring to

    And the only reason I am being difficult is because you are seemingly being that way.
     
  14. Superfly503` thread starter macrumors newbie

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    That's not true at all. Plenty of people put off installing an OS upgrade until the bugs are worked out. The gap between Lion (a significant update) and Mountain Lion was shorter than usual. Was it even a year?

    Additionally, Mountain Lion excludes a large range of older macs (64bit only), so you'd think they'd leave the last viable OS available for a little longer. Apple used to always have old OSs available to purchase on disk.

    Personally, I was clicking along just fine with my Mac Pro 1.1 and Snow Leopard. When I found out there would be no new Mac Pro on the horizon (announced only a month ago), I decided to upgrade my 1.1 as much as I could. I upgraded the processors to quad-cores and installed an SSD.

    My local Apple store had the thumb drive version of Lion ($70, ouch), so that's what I did, since I didn't previously purchase it and couldn't find it on the App store. I suppose I could have been more patient and tried to purchase a download version from Apple, but I was spending the day putting the machine back together and upgrading software. I guess I don't need to go through the hassle of creating my own boot DVDs, since I have the thumb drive, but I sure didn't enjoy spending $70 on $40 worth of (now obsolete) software.
     
  15. -hh macrumors 68020

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    Barely. In any case, someone who bought a new Mac that came with Lion installed doesn't have any backup media ... and the suggested App Store + OPTION trick does not work - - I tried it yesterday.

    I think I'm going to go in and 'demand' a copy for my backups. I simply don't want to go to Mt Lion yet ... 10.8.1 isn't out yet ... even though I've qualified for a free copy under Up-To-Date.


    Don't assume that a download with Lion will work.

    After the AppStore+OPTION failed, I pulled my boot HDD out of my Mac Pro and forced a ROM boot to skip the recovery partition to go through an Internet install ... it all seemed to go fine and start the download, but less than 5 minutes in, it failed with an ugly error message. That will be part of my evidence for the local Apple Store too.


    -hh
     
  16. JesterJJZ macrumors 68020

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    I usually wait about a year before transitioning over to the new OS.
     
  17. BenClement1978 macrumors member

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    you should just start the app store and then when clicking on purchased hold down option..

    also figured this out..

    " I installed Mountain Lion it over my lion os that came on my 2011 MacBook air.

    I decided to do a clean install after a few days. Now not to my surprise holding command + r would get me the recovery settings and a option to reinstall mountain lion.

    Erasing the main drive with disk utility and then rebooting gave me the option to reinstall lion instead of mountain lion."
     
  18. d-m-a-x macrumors 6502

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    i've gotton into the habit of cloning os's on my 1,1. If something happens, i just use the restore in disk utility. I have an extra lion clone, and a snow leopard clone. I'm also working on a lamb clone, i plan to publish the results
     
  19. takezo808 macrumors member

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    That why you make a bootable USB sick after you download it. The installer also creates a restore partition with the os on it. Though if you like to wipe your HDD before installs.. out of luck.

    Mountain Lion killed my Mac mini's wifi when I use the time machine backup. Well the Hardware is good. the configuration is good. Log file point to airportd deamon. Unfortunaly their isn't much info about it online. Beleive me I scowered google with various search criteria.

    Basically I have two choices. Backup my files manually and start on a fresh ML install or use Internet Recovery tool to reinstall Lion (10.7) and restor my computer with time machine.

    My work around right now is crude wirless bridge connected to ethernet port. :(
     
  20. theSeb macrumors 604

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    You can still reinstall Lion regardless of whether you've upgraded to it or bought a Mac with Lion installed after you've upgraded to Mountain Lion.

    One way is to use Internet Recovery. At this point in time it allows you to reinstall Lion, although I am sure that a future update will change this.

    The other method is to use your Time Machine backup. If you've created TM backups with Lion 10.7.2 or higher, then your Time Machine is bootable and you can use it to reinstall Lion, even if you've used the same disk to backup after upgrading to Mountain Lion. Again, I am sure this will be updated in the future to reinstall Mountain Lion as well.

    Once you've reinstalled Lion you can create a bootable install disk or you can even do it during the installation, immediately after the files have been downloaded, if you're quick enough.
     
  21. Superfly503` thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Maybe you missed it, but i was trying to buy/download Lion for the first time. Since ML won't run on my MP 1.1, it's the latest OS that will work on my machine.
     
  22. -hh macrumors 68020

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    Yes, that was exactly what I performed.
    In my case, Lion was not amongst the items listed.

    I've reported this on another thread (here)





    ...which also failed for me. I still need to upload the photo of the screenshot, which has an error message of:

    "Can't download the additional components needed to Install Mac OS X."
    This appeared after it verified my Mac's Serial# and had started to download.


    The (limited) good news is that I did find some instructions online on how to go into the Terminal to mount the 'Recovery HD' and reveal the hidden files which includes the .dmg Even so, it doesn't seem to be resolving itself to my satisfaction, which would be a fully bootable DVD or USB with a Lion installer.

    I did find that Time Machine restore works ... okay. Its result is neither a clean install nor a true restore, as evidenced by right after I rebooted on the 'new' drive, MS-Office popped up to tell me that my copy wasn't registered...


    -hh
     
  23. theSeb macrumors 604

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    Once you have mounted the recovery hd its possible to create a bootable installer. Do you need the instructions?
     
  24. -hh macrumors 68020

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    Yes, I'll take a look at what you have.

    Last night, I did try Lion Diskmaker, but it failed. It appeared that in addition to it using the hidden DMG from the local Recovery Partition, it also needs to goe out to hit the Internet for downloading...something(?), which looks like was why something in his script timed out.

    -hh
     
  25. deconstruct60 macrumors 604

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    The only minor change to that strategy with the MacApp Store download only context is that may have to decouple when buy the new OS from when install it.

    For example at month 9 or 10 ( around when the developer preview for the next OS shows up or at latest around WWDC when next one previewed) buy the new OS (well "not so new" OS since has been out for over 6 months ). Then around month 10-14 actually allow the installer to complete.

    With the price at $20 now, it isn't like "purchase but don't use for short while " is painful.
     

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