UK Copyright Laws

[bandofbrothers]

Hi ,


Just seen this on the Uk news channels.

Apparantly if you purchase a music Cd from a retail store and then import it onto your mp player you are actually infringing the copyright laws !

 

[Apple OC]

not in Canada ... our laws allow you to do this

 

[bandofbrothers]

I could understand it if you were playing the music cd to the public at a venue but not if you were playing it through headphones or a dock for your own use.

Although it's in the news here I can't see how it could be enforced !

 

[AdrianK]

It's true for DVDs, mainly because they're encrypted to prevent copying (unlike CDs), but quite honestly; who cares?

Although it's in the news here I can't see how it could be enforced !

Exactly, it can't be. Going back to the DVD comparison, some guy reported himself to an anti piracy group for decrypting his own DVDs, they didn't do anything

Quite honestly, anti-piracy groups only really care about major distributors of warez, the warez scene is their main target.

 

[OllyW]

It's in the news because they are going to update the laws to allow ripping of CDs and DVDs for personal use. The current copyright laws were written years ago and have been outdated by technological change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14372698

 

[saving107]

I've heard this argument from the RIAA before.

By current laws, its also illegal to burn yourself a copy of your own disc for use in your car stereo.

the RIAA is pathetic and this law (in the US) needs to change.

 

[JetBlack7]

Nowadays there are ridiculous laws for everything.

 

[boss.king]

I've heard this argument from the RIAA before.

By current laws, its also illegal to burn yourself a copy of your own disc for use in your car stereo.

the RIAA is pathetic and this law (in the US) needs to change.

I agree, they're scum. I mean, that thing back in 2006 where they sued a Russian music-download site for $1.65 trillion (they calculated they had lost $150 000 PER SONG) It's almost as though they don't want to be taken seriously

 

[416049]

Nowadays there are ridiculous laws for everything.

Yeh but thats because most laws were written a long time ago and since than not really updated with the flow, sure these laws made sense a few years ago but nobody has looked at them since as they are too focused trying to catch pirates online

 

[saving107]

Nowadays there are ridiculous laws for everything.

What do you mean?

You are not permitted to wear cowboy boots unless you already own at least two cows.

A man can’t go outside while wearing a jacket and pants that do not match.

A man with a moustache may not kiss a woman.

It is illegal to pour salt on a highway.

It is a crime for dogs to mate within 500 yards of a church.

I don't find these ridiculous

http://www.dumblaws.com/

 

[boss.king]

What do you mean?

I don't find these ridiculous

http://www.dumblaws.com/

Haha. I love things like that (even though most of them are actually obscure interpretations of laws put in place for other purposes)

 

[saving107]

Haha. I love things like that (even though most of them are actually obscure interpretations of laws put in place for other purposes)

Its just a fun read.

Edit:

I agree, they're scum. I mean, that thing back in 2006 where they sued a Russian music-download site for $1.65 trillion (they calculated they had lost $150 000 PER SONG) It's almost as though they don't want to be taken seriously

It took me a while, but I found a link to a story from this mornings MacBreak Weekly that I thought was interesting.

The basic story is that Amazon approached this developer and told him that they wanted to Feature his app in Amazon's app store, but that he had to agree to give away his app and not collect any profits for that 1 day, the developer agreed and during its 1 day promotion saw downloads jump from (average) 19 downloads per day to over 100,000. Now he is claiming that his company lost over $54,800+ in revenue.

My point is that this developer had low downloads to begin with, and after a 1 day promotion with no profits is arguing that he's lost $54,000 in revenue. But with the way his app was selling at first, how can he claim a value was lost?

the same goes for the RIAA, how can they claim a lost revenue from pirated music?

https://shiftyjelly.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/amazon-app-store-rotten-to-the-core/

 

[JetBlack7]

What do you mean?

What I mean is that I agree with the hole "no to piracy" thing since I buy my songs via iTunes, bu if you buy a cd and want to transfer those songs to your iPod since the Walkman fad has passed years ago, is it a crime? You paid for the cd and can't pass them over to your iPhone/iPod?

 

[saving107]

What I mean is that I agree with the hole "no to piracy" thing since I buy my songs via iTunes, bu if you buy a cd and want to transfer those songs to your iPod since the Walkman fad has passed years ago, is it a crime? You paid for the cd and can't pass them over to your iPhone/iPod?

I know what you meant, I was just trying to be funny

 

[JetBlack7]

I know what you meant, I was just trying to be funny

M'kay

 

[boss.king]

It took me a while, but I found a link to a story from this mornings MacBreak Weekly that I thought was interesting.

The basic story is that Amazon approached this developer and told him that they wanted to Feature his app in Amazon's app store, but that he had to agree to give away his app and not collect any profits for that 1 day, the developer agreed and during its 1 day promotion saw downloads jump from (average) 19 downloads per day to over 100,000. Now he is claiming that his company lost over $54,800+ in revenue.

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My point is that this developer had low downloads to begin with, and after a 1 day promotion with no profits is arguing that he's lost $54,000 in revenue. But with the way his app was selling at first, how can he claim a value was lost?

the same goes for the RIAA, how can they claim a lost revenue from pirated music?

https://shiftyjelly.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/amazon-app-store-rotten-to-the-core/

It amazes me what people think they can get away with

 

[firestarter]

It's in the news because they are going to update the laws to allow ripping of CDs and DVDs for personal use. The current copyright laws were written years ago and have been outdated by technological change.

I wonder if this also extends to Blu-Ray?

If personal backups/copying are to be a right, should the media companies be forced to offer unlock-keys to enable this? At the very least, it should imply that the US DMCA (forbidding decryption) should be unenforceable here.

 

[0098386]

Yeah some bits of the law definitely need to change. Transferring (I heard this described as "side-"something in the past) my files from format to another should be completely legal.

But equally it should be illegal if I own an old copy of an album or game, to then download a newer version that has been remastered or upgraded. That kind of entitlement is just plain silly.

 

[OllyW]

But equally it should be illegal if I own an old copy of an album or game, to then download a newer version that has been remastered or upgraded. That kind of entitlement is just plain silly.

Wouldn't that make iTunes Match illegal?

 

[firestarter]

But equally it should be illegal if I own an old copy of an album or game, to then download a newer version that has been remastered or upgraded. That kind of entitlement is just plain silly.

I agree... although to an extent the media companies bring this sort of entitlement mentality on themselves.

When you buy a DVD, the consumer sees the transaction as one of ownership... but the media company sees it as licensing to view.

As an owner of a DVD, I wouldn't expect Bly-ray resolution from my purchase. As a person licensing a movie for viewing though, perhaps I should have some expectation that the licensor would give me some discounted access to a superior mastering if technology advances made that possible?

 

[VulchR]

I'm in the UK and I do make copies of CD's, but it is perfectly legal to make personal 'fair-use' archival backups. CD's get scratched, so I back them up. Simples.

 

[firestarter]

I'm in the UK and I do make copies of CD's, but it is perfectly legal to make personal 'fair-use' archival backups. CD's get scratched, so I back them up. Simples.

No. Please read the original article.

There is no 'fair-use' justification for copying at the moment in the UK, and this new law seeks to change that.

 

[arkitect]

Yeah I heard about this but there is no way this will be an enforced law and to be honest I could see it being changed in the near future because it clearly is outdated and if it was enforced then literally over half of the UK population have broken it a hell of a lot! lol

I think you have got hold of the wrong end of the story here…
The proposed new law will change the existing outdated law.
Read the article…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14372698

 

[The Phazer]

Wouldn't that make iTunes Match illegal?

Nope. Why would it? iTunes Match has the permission from the copyright owners.

I wonder if this also extends to Blu-Ray?

If personal backups/copying are to be a right, should the media companies be forced to offer unlock-keys to enable this? At the very least, it should imply that the US DMCA (forbidding decryption) should be unenforceable here.

Very unlikely. Bear in mind that there's precident for this too - making a copy of a television broadcast to allow it to be watched at a more convenient time has been allowed since 1988, but you're not allowed to break any encryption to do it - and hence if you want to record films broadcast on Sky Box-Office movies where they use macrovision and do-not-record HDCP flags you're out of luck.

You're allowed to write to the Secretary of State and ask for a one off exemption to this, but the reality is none have ever been granted.

So I very much doubt this will allow you to bypass encryption. And companies will still be able to block it technically by all means neccessary. Which also means you won't be able to rip the vast majority of DVD's legally either...

I'm in the UK and I do make copies of CD's, but it is perfectly legal to make personal 'fair-use' archival backups. CD's get scratched, so I back them up. Simples.

No it isn't. It's legal in the UK to create one copy of a computer program for backup purposes, but *only* a computer program and not digitally stored media. There's no suggestion that that will change in the current proposals either (though again, the format shifting proposal is very vague).

Phazer

 

[Mousse]

I don't find these ridiculous

Maybe it's because I'm from the Independent Republic of Texas (yes, I've seceded from the Union), but the Cowboy boot law makes sense to me. Death to posers. You're not a real cowboy until you've stepped in cow sh... Cowboy boots are functional, not fashionable. Stupid posers. There otta be a law. Oh wait there is.