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In the future, drivers in the United Kingdom may be able to store their driver's licenses digitally in Apple's Wallet app, bringing Apple one step closer to fully replacing the traditional physical wallet.

Oliver Morley, CEO of the UK's Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, showed off a prototype version of a digital driving license on Twitter this morning (via The Independent). In the image, the Wallet app on the iPhone was shown with a virtual copy of a UK driving license, stored right next to other Wallet cards.

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So here's a little prototype of something we're working on #drivinglicence pic.twitter.com/a5eItrdiNI - Oliver Morley (@omorley1) May 13, 2016

According to Morley, the feature is still a prototype and will not serve as a full replacement for a driving license, but an add-on, with its implementation possible following the discontinuation of a paper driving license counterpart in June of 2015. Security is one of the main priorities for the introduction of the digital driving license in the UK.

Should the digital driving license feature be introduced in the United Kingdom, it's not a stretch to imagine it also being introduced in additional countries like the United States as the digital wallet concept grows in popularity. In fact, at least one state in the United States is already testing the idea - in 2014, Iowa said it was working on a digital app that would allow customers to use digital ID cards instead of physical cards.

Article Link: UK Developing Digital Driving License Stored in Apple Wallet App
 

johnnyjibbs

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Fantastic news, and as you say, one step closer.

I currently leave the office on occasion to lunch without my wallet (all good except for damn you, Sainsbury's), using Apple Pay on my watch as my preferred payment method. I'll soon be able to go for a drive without it too.
 
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Not to go all conspiracy theorist here but in the US, I believe you are required to produce identification is requested from the authorities. BUT, if it is in a phone that you must unlock to show them and another physical form does not exist, then it will be pretty hard to say, "yea, i forgot my password so you can't get into my phone." But, I also am guessing if you are in that situation, you'll just give the finger to anyone and everyone at that point just in case.
 
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Not to go all conspiracy theorist here but in the US, I believe you are required to produce identification is requested from the authorities. BUT, if it is in a phone that you must unlock to show them and another physical form does not exist, then it will be pretty hard to say, "yea, i forgot my password so you can't get into my phone." But, I also am guessing if you are in that situation, you'll just give the finger to anyone and everyone at that point just in case.
you don't need to unlock the phone to access Wallet.
 
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peterh988

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It'll need a change in the law for most places to accept it as proof of ID, so you'd still need your physical licence to use it that way.

I still have the old green paper licence, so I can't use it anyway, but it's an interesting progression.

Hope it's not a sinister way of introducing ID cards by the backdoor.
 
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Fantastic news, and as you say, one step closer.

I currently leave the office on occasion to lunch without my wallet (all good except for damn you, Sainsbury's), using Apple Pay on my watch as my preferred payment method. I'll soon be able to go for a drive without it too.

I often drive without my license on me - there's no legal requirement to carry one in the UK: If you get stopped you have 7 days to produce it at a police station.
 
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gstevie

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Sounds good to me. To be honest this isn't that big of an issue for UK drivers if the phone battery runs out. The police will ask for your license, if you are stopped and if you don't have it with you - you have 7 days to present it to the police station.
 
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ksnell

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Not to go all conspiracy theorist here but in the US, I believe you are required to produce identification is requested from the authorities. BUT, if it is in a phone that you must unlock to show them and another physical form does not exist, then it will be pretty hard to say, "yea, i forgot my password so you can't get into my phone." But, I also am guessing if you are in that situation, you'll just give the finger to anyone and everyone at that point just in case.


Police typically need probable cause that you are doing something illegal for them to ask for and legally require your ID in the US. If you are not being detained you can respectfully refuse and ask if you are free to go. If you are driving and get pulled over, that is a different story.
 
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ArtOfWarfare

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Not to go all conspiracy theorist here but in the US, I believe you are required to produce identification is requested from the authorities. BUT, if it is in a phone that you must unlock to show them and another physical form does not exist, then it will be pretty hard to say, "yea, i forgot my password so you can't get into my phone." But, I also am guessing if you are in that situation, you'll just give the finger to anyone and everyone at that point just in case.

Some stuff on the iPhone is accessible even with the phone locked.

For example, if you have your health information set up on the phone, if you hit the emergency button (under the keypad on the lock screen) it'll give the option to display your medical information. Supposedly medical personal know to look in there to quickly find out about any medical conditions you may have when all they have is your unconscious body and your phone.

Apple could make it so your ID is accessible even when the phone is locked.

Then police cruisers just need to have a way to charge your phone and turn it on for in case it dies. They already spend a few minutes doing whatever in their cruiser during a routine stop. Waiting a few minutes for the phone to charge up and turn on doesn't seem like a big deal.
 
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Not to go all conspiracy theorist here but in the US, I believe you are required to produce identification is requested from the authorities. BUT, if it is in a phone that you must unlock to show them and another physical form does not exist, then it will be pretty hard to say, "yea, i forgot my password so you can't get into my phone." But, I also am guessing if you are in that situation, you'll just give the finger to anyone and everyone at that point just in case.

You don't need to hand it to them unlocked, you only need to "present" your identification. You can do that by securely holding on the phone while showing the screen.
 
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Action on ridding the burdens of the wallet for citizens a national and international priority!
Action on ridding the burdens of interchange fees for citizens a national and international priority!
Action on ridding the burdens of drip pricing for citizens a national and international priority!
 
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SHirsch999

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It'll be another 50 years before a US State adopts something this advanced. :rolleyes:

I believe I read somewhere recently there are some states already working on this option. I don't remember all the details or where I read it though.
 
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gsmornot

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The back of my license now has a code that can be scanned. I assume the digital version will have the same in the wallet. The police would then ask to see the card and scan the screen (like paying at Starbucks) or just hold out a reader that you would then tap for NFC transfer. No need to have/hold your phone.
 
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peterh988

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The back of my license now has a code that can be scanned. I assume the digital version will have the same in the wallet. The police would then ask to see the card and scan the screen (like paying at Starbucks) or just hold out a reader that you would then tap for NFC transfer. No need to have/hold your phone.

Better get loyalty points, too. :)
 
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gaximus

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Please, Please, let this happen in the States, also Wallet App needs an insurance card API. Most insurance companies already have the digital insurance card in their app. And I've never had a police office not accept that form, and I've been pulled over a lot lately.
 
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Aichon

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Not to go all conspiracy theorist here but in the US, I believe you are required to produce identification is requested from the authorities. BUT, if it is in a phone that you must unlock to show them and another physical form does not exist, then it will be pretty hard to say, "yea, i forgot my password so you can't get into my phone." But, I also am guessing if you are in that situation, you'll just give the finger to anyone and everyone at that point just in case.
Not quite.

In the US, unless you're detained, arrested, or are engaging in an activity that requires you carry an ID in your state (e.g. driving, carrying a concealed weapon, etc.), you have no obligation to identify yourself to the police in any form whatsoever. No matter which state you live in, if an officer walks up to you and asks to see some ID, you don't have to say anything or show them anything, so long as you're still free to walk away and aren't doing something that requires an ID.

That said, once you're no longer free to walk away (i.e. you're being detained or arrested), you may be required to provide some information, depending on which state you live in. Even in that case, however, only Arizona, Indiana, Louisiana, and Nevada require that you provide a form of ID. The others either have no requirement or else allow you to merely identify yourself verbally.

Look up "stop and identify" laws if you want to find more information on the subject or look up the laws for the state you live in.

It's also worth noting that material evidence (e.g. fingerprints) isn't protected under the 5th Amendment, so even if you "forgot" your passcode, they could compel you to provide your fingerprint to see if it would unlock the device.
 
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