Same for me. There are some serious flaws with the iPhone. Yes, great browser, but the lack of video recording is just dire. A low-end Motorola RAZR has that, and you can pick those up for £30-40. No 3G really is a deal breaker
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Same for me. There are some serious flaws with the iPhone. Yes, great browser, but the lack of video recording is just dire. A low-end Motorola RAZR has that, and you can pick those up for £30-40. No 3G really is a deal breaker
and touch-screen, OSX in a smartphone and the elegance of iPhone is also going back in 5 years in phone technology too??
The interface is outstanding but i want data at more than 10k a second thanks.
Its like having a ferrari on a lada chassis.
Totally agreed - I for one would loved for them to have chosen Vodafone as thats who I'm with currently and it would have made the switch of handsets easier, but at the end of the day I'll end up switching because the iPhone represents a brilliant convergence of technology for me. I will no longer have to have both a phone, and an iPod in my pocket. I'll have one easy-to-use unit, that will enable me to briefly check email and the bbc news website on the train to work in the morning.
Sort your site out O2!
Well O2 is not the best on customer service. But it does have decent network coverage and some good tariffs too.
My only real gripe is the O2 site is not Safari friendly at all. It just about works on Firefox. So you'll have a lot of trouble checking bills online from your Mac or iPhone.
Also I really cannot see us on 24 month contracts in the UK. And since the phone is not subsidised I really can't see people going for an 18 month contract. Hopefully they will offer it on a 12 month contract!
Well O2 is not the best on customer service. But it does have decent network coverage and some good tariffs too.
My only real gripe is the O2 site is not Safari friendly at all. It just about works on Firefox. So you'll have a lot of trouble checking bills online from your Mac or iPhone.
Also I really cannot see us on 24 month contracts in the UK. And since the phone is not subsidised I really can't see people going for an 18 month contract. Hopefully they will offer it on a 12 month contract!
orange ? no please...
Orange is a brand of france telecom.
the service is poor, really poor, and expensive !
I'm really sad, but prepared to pay this f***ing company to get my iPhone !
damn !
Orange is a brand of france telecom.
the service is poor, really poor, and expensive !
I'm really sad, but prepared to pay this f***ing company to get my iPhone !
damn !
Well well, it seems like O2 have the contract now! Hopefully they will have an attractive tariff as AT&T brought out in the states.
Looking for unlimited data (I think this must be a requirement from apple, as they would not won't people not being able to browse the full internet as iPhone advertises)
A family plan in the UK would be a first I think, which would be great, looking to get 2 iPhones when they come out so hope this is an option at the time!
I have noticed that on an existing O2 contract phone that we have the "G" for GPRS changed this morning to "E" Edge network.
Looks like O2 have been upgrading their network quietly and have switched it on this morning, the first thing I thought of when I saw this was its True, O2 will be getting the iPhone, its how long before they announce it now and what will the launch date be!!???!!!
We all wanna know.... as we all wanna be apart of the iPhone mania
Looking for unlimited data (I think this must be a requirement from apple, as they would not won't people not being able to browse the full internet as iPhone advertises)
A family plan in the UK would be a first I think, which would be great, looking to get 2 iPhones when they come out so hope this is an option at the time!
I have noticed that on an existing O2 contract phone that we have the "G" for GPRS changed this morning to "E" Edge network.
Looks like O2 have been upgrading their network quietly and have switched it on this morning, the first thing I thought of when I saw this was its True, O2 will be getting the iPhone, its how long before they announce it now and what will the launch date be!!???!!!
We all wanna know.... as we all wanna be apart of the iPhone mania
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I guess like AT&T O2 needed it the most, and were prepared to spend/give-in to get it. They are certainly throwing the money around at the moment, what with buying the Dome as welll.
If they've upgraded their network to Edge, I'll probably jump ship from Orange (who I'm actually very happy with) to get it. It's not 3G, but I can live with it as I spend a lot of time within range of Wi-Fi.
Running an iPhone on GPRS though would be masochistic and wrong.
If they've upgraded their network to Edge, I'll probably jump ship from Orange (who I'm actually very happy with) to get it. It's not 3G, but I can live with it as I spend a lot of time within range of Wi-Fi.
Running an iPhone on GPRS though would be masochistic and wrong.
I love it.
All you haters out there that say you'll pass (you know who you are)... I wonder how many truly WILL pass once they have used the device?
Everyone tries to hate on the iPhone. Unfortunately, it's human nature.
My neighbor is a perfect example of a hater.
Always asking about the phone, quick to mention/rehash what the media reports about security breaks, no PS etc.
He finally asked me to see the phone (that's right, like many, had for med his opinion based on crap he read vs. actually using the device) and he was BLOWN AWAY.
Now, I know you don't know my neighbor, but his reaction is common. It has been real interesting sharing the device with others. Kids, parents, grandparents - everyone is intrigued. Everyone, once told where the Home button is, can navigate the device. It truly is a fantastically well-thought device (sorry, I just can't call it a phone... it really is so much more. Much closer to a hand-held Mac than a phone).
I was skeptical about a few things going into my June 29th purchase (keyboard, EDGE). I have had zero regrets. None (both the keyboard & EDGE are non-issues, for me).
It has worked, as advertised, from the get-go.
How many products can anyone say that of today?
Sadly, very, very few.
Life is short.
Hate less.
Enjoy more.
Me too.
A good chunk of the non-fashion market will too.
The aweful-ness of the O2 data rates suggests that it could in fact be them that gets it as they are waiting to unveil the new data rates at the same time.
You have EDGE in the US. Only Orange have that in the UK. GPRS is even slower.
edit: just read whole thread. O2 may indeed have EDGE. I'll defintely pass then. I don't just want 3G I want HSDPA.
Just a quick update.
If you all didn't know before am sure you will find out now.
When O2 were still part of British Telecom (BT), they bided and purchased the first 3G license and paid large amount for it too which in turn crippled them.
They then sold O2 division off to Telefónica and now its known as O2 still but just owned by a different parent company, so upgrading to the Edge network I think was easier than everyone may have thought in the beginning.
Am sure they will provide a good service and the plans will not be inline with anything they have done before. I think we will see some good plans coming out of the deals.
If you all didn't know before am sure you will find out now.
When O2 were still part of British Telecom (BT), they bided and purchased the first 3G license and paid large amount for it too which in turn crippled them.
They then sold O2 division off to Telefónica and now its known as O2 still but just owned by a different parent company, so upgrading to the Edge network I think was easier than everyone may have thought in the beginning.
Am sure they will provide a good service and the plans will not be inline with anything they have done before. I think we will see some good plans coming out of the deals.
Oh come on! I'm typing this on Nokia E61 through GPRS and it's fast enough. 3G eats batteries faster and there's no tangible difference in speed. The bottleneck in websurfing is propably the CPU and not the connection. things might be different on proper computers though.
T-Mobile in the UK is basically terrible, anyone I have known to have T-Mobile has hated it, one of my friends might as well have had no sim card in his phone thats how bad the service was.
Apple have done well to get in with O2 if that is what has happened. O2 or Vodafone are the two main companies in the UK that would suit the iPhone IMHO. I would have preferred Vodafone personally but am definately not bummed if O2 have the contract.
If T-Mobile or Orange had got it then that I think on the whole would have been a bit of a disaster, Im sure there are many happy customers with these networks but I would have said the majority would prefer O2 or Vodafone.
Anyhow barring all the who's gonna get the iPhone and all the other jibber jabber about what it hasnt got and what it cannot do I personally cannot wait to fork out what it costs for one in the UK and Im sure there are many more of you out there who cannot wait to get your hands on one UK launch day!!
Anyone think there will be a UK launch meet up section in the forum???
No tangible difference in speed??? 6k compared to 1 Megabit+ on HSPDA?
You jest. The difference is HUGE!
Nope, can't see any difference when surfing on the phone. What I can see are these cases where no data is moving at all, but the website has not completed loading. And those happen with 3G and GPRS. It seems to me that in those times the CPU on the phone is running red-hot trying to parse the website. So the bottLeneck is not the connection, it's the phone itself.
Yes, I have used both connections on this phone. And the connection has never been the bottleneck for me.
network speed vs usability
My coworker showed me his new $500 ($350 refurbed) Windows Mobile "Smart Phone" yesterday. It's a joke.
He said he cannot connect to his home wifi network without researching for hours and then found out that he had to add a static ip.
He tried to access the open wifi we were in. It didn't work either. After 5 minutes and trying different things, he realized his home setting with its static IP is still active. Finally the browser starts to connect.
On the wifi network, it took many seconds to access the mobi portion of YAHOO. (I just glazed over and didn't count how many seconds). The mobile IE browser does not allow zooming, barely show any images, and has awful formatting. Combine that with low resolution screen means even the mobile version of that web site is hardly readable and requires constant scrlling with 2 separate scrolling bars.
Not impressed at all.
*** Well, the whole point is that Windoze Mobile phones and BB on faster wifi connection accessing low-bandwidth barely-usable mobi web sites, takes about the same time as iPhone on Edge, accessing real web sites.
So no matter what network the iPhone is on, the iPhone is and Will be the most usable mobile communication device for the foreseeable future.
My coworker showed me his new $500 ($350 refurbed) Windows Mobile "Smart Phone" yesterday. It's a joke.
He said he cannot connect to his home wifi network without researching for hours and then found out that he had to add a static ip.
He tried to access the open wifi we were in. It didn't work either. After 5 minutes and trying different things, he realized his home setting with its static IP is still active. Finally the browser starts to connect.
On the wifi network, it took many seconds to access the mobi portion of YAHOO. (I just glazed over and didn't count how many seconds). The mobile IE browser does not allow zooming, barely show any images, and has awful formatting. Combine that with low resolution screen means even the mobile version of that web site is hardly readable and requires constant scrlling with 2 separate scrolling bars.
Not impressed at all.
*** Well, the whole point is that Windoze Mobile phones and BB on faster wifi connection accessing low-bandwidth barely-usable mobi web sites, takes about the same time as iPhone on Edge, accessing real web sites.
So no matter what network the iPhone is on, the iPhone is and Will be the most usable mobile communication device for the foreseeable future.
Not sure anyone is really debating that. Most phones/smartphones suck.
The problem is that when apple finally offer the 3G iphone i'll want one. If that's 6 months into my contract i'll not be happy. That's why many many people will wait this out.
O2 definitely has the contract for UK -
I spoke to a rep recently - they're changing their data plan and also have other things in the works for a scheduled data of ~26th September or thereabouts, so it fits nicely with an October release, and a press release at the Apple event.
No info on what current customers can expect (who can upgrade etc).
I spoke to a rep recently - they're changing their data plan and also have other things in the works for a scheduled data of ~26th September or thereabouts, so it fits nicely with an October release, and a press release at the Apple event.
No info on what current customers can expect (who can upgrade etc).
A few months ago, someone posted here indicating how O2 could easily upgrade it's network to edge (the network hardware is compatible with EDGE and it's only a software change). If thats true, O2 will be using EDGE for the iPhone.
as good as a lada?
what's the data transfer rate for 2 yogurt pots and a length of string?
02 customer service is abysmal, its all in India and even their written emails are vitually unintelligble gibberish. The only reason I am with them is that I got so depressed trying to contact anyone with any authority that I gave up until the contract expires. Their website is appallingly designed too, go to the bit where they try to sell games and navigate through it - i dare you
The only thing that would make me stay would be an iphone with 3g or better, other networks may not have iphone but there are going to be new phones from SE and nokia that i'll at least be able to surf the net on.
I'm preparing to have to wait for Rev 2 at least, unless Steve really makes it 'a great year' - seems to have been reasonably average so far