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I hereby invoke Godwin's Law!

Anyway, you're wrong about the origins of "political propaganda":
I said "modern propaganda", not the origins of propaganda. The scope and effectiveness of the UK's WWI propaganda had theretofore never been done in the history of mankind. And Godwin's law doesn't apply since Adolf Hitler himself directly referenced the subject matter I'm speaking to, ie the UK's WWI propaganda campaign.

These are weighty topics - please give them more than a perfunctory, memeish few seconds of consideration before replying in the manner you did.
 
The problem for tech companies that use end to end encryption on their messaging platforms is that for the past number of years the UK authourities have had a number of investigations running involving child related crimes and one of the things that has come out of these investigations is the amount of people involved using messaging systems that use end to end encryption to prevent law enforcement from checking messages, thereby thwarting law enforcement into taking action against those people.

Many have heard the term 'Guns are not the problem, it's the people that use them'. Well defenders of end to end encryption use the same, 'end to end encryption is not the problem, it's the people that use it'.

UK law enforcement want end to end encryption removed because it will enable them to catch people involved in child related crimes who use end to end encryption devices to message one another so they can evade the police.
Guns are designed to hurt living things, they are weapons. Encryption is designed to protect information. They are different kind of tools. Your post was basically saying that wearing a mask during robbery making it hard to find the criminal so that we should ban masks.
 
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The problem for tech companies that use end to end encryption on their messaging platforms is that for the past number of years the UK authourities have had a number of investigations running involving child related crimes and one of the things that has come out of these investigations is the amount of people involved using messaging systems that use end to end encryption to prevent law enforcement from checking messages, thereby thwarting law enforcement into taking action against those people.

Many have heard the term 'Guns are not the problem, it's the people that use them'. Well defenders of end to end encryption use the same, 'end to end encryption is not the problem, it's the people that use it'.

UK law enforcement want end to end encryption removed because it will enable them to catch people involved in child related crimes who use end to end encryption devices to message one another so they can evade the police.
other than the dah factor, while this argument is completely valid, how does it justify the loss of the right to privacy? Sure only bad guys will be targeted, not political opponents, no corrupt cops will use information meant to be private (and totally legal). Yah right!

think of alternatives. 1) Minors must consent to the parents having the decryption key. Ok, not fool proof but a start.

I totally get the law enforcement desire to pass 100% of email and messaging traffic, phone calls, etc, through a big brother filter and look for evidence of illegal activity, but does anyone seriously condone that loss of freedom?
 
The problem for tech companies that use end to end encryption on their messaging platforms is that for the past number of years the UK authourities have had a number of investigations running involving child related crimes and one of the things that has come out of these investigations is the amount of people involved using messaging systems that use end to end encryption to prevent law enforcement from checking messages, thereby thwarting law enforcement into taking action against those people.

Many have heard the term 'Guns are not the problem, it's the people that use them'. Well defenders of end to end encryption use the same, 'end to end encryption is not the problem, it's the people that use it'.

UK law enforcement want end to end encryption removed because it will enable them to catch people involved in child related crimes who use end to end encryption devices to message one another so they can evade the police.
You forgot the /s.

People are going to take your comment seriously now.
 
I can simplify their campaign: “Let us read all of your personal communications. Please? It’s for the kids. You can trust us.”

But seriously, I love the implicit false pretense that folks hiding illegal behavior won’t resort to some of the other very easy to use, universal encryption tools (like PGP) to communicate if E2E is for some reason made unavailable.
 
It should be pointed out for non UK people, that the Home Office is a completely dysfunctional department that couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag. Ill-informed scare stories is right up their street but they are so crushingly incompetent (like much of the UK public sector) that I don't think this is anything to worry about.
 
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The current UK government is rotten to its absolute core. It all starts with the Leader and they say turd flows down… There is no opposition either, most of our MPs seem hellbent and desperate to give away the hard won freedoms that previous generations fought and died for. Those men will be turning in their graves…

Throughout this whole Covid drama we’ve had MPs - not to mention other relatively high profile people - flout the rules that they were party to creating, voting for and administering. Some, like Nadhim Zarhawi and Michael Gove specifically, have outright lied saying they had no plans to bring in vaccine passports during interviews, then voting to bring them in. Everyone surely now knows that vaccine passports specifically, are completely and utterly pointless, in that both jabbed and unjabbed can transmit the Covid. Look at the countries with high uptake of the vaccines and their case numbers! Then there is Doris and his parties, not to mention his wife!

This will likely just be another example of one rule for us plebs and another rule for our so-called representatives. As others have pointed out, it’s happened before where these MPs and ministers have used unofficial channels, like WhatsApp, as @GaymerAdam mentioned.

The hypocrisy stinks! The sooner we replace them all, the better.
But you'd just replace them with a separate shower of *****. The idea that the Labour Party with its cranks and nutters would be noticeably better is delusional.

The real issue is the Civil Service - you dont have to be a psychopath like Cummings to realise that the Civil Service is just useless and incapable of delivery.
 
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Pedophrasty

"Argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and make the opponent look like an *******, as people are defenseless and suspend all skepticism in front of suffering children: nobody has the heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting. Often done with the aid of pictures."

Any1 using children for any sort of campaign, just please, FFS, stop.
 
This is honestly going to cause so much damage to everyones overall safety online if the government make it illegal to use technology that uses end to end encryption.

The problem here is they'll use the reputation of Facebook to push this making it very easy whilst also making the public less safe because everything will be more easily hackable.

Meanwhile, people involved in child sexual abuse online will continue to use end to end encrypted technology to try and get away with their crimes.

This literally only hurts the law abiding citizens. The Tories continuing their plan on destroying this country whilst idiots continue to vote for them. It makes me sick.
 
You forgot the /s.

People are going to take your comment seriously now.
Well people should take it seriously because that is the problem with the UK at the moment, the government, charities, councils and other child protection and welfare groups are using the excuse of 'think of the children' to erode everyone's privacy and if anyone dares to stand up for the rights to privacy, all of the mentioned then go on the attack and say 'so, you put the rights of privacy ahead of that of protecting the safety of children?'. Then the UK's media lambast defenders of right to privacy by accusing them of not putting the safety of children first.

The US has the NRA which is a very very powerful group that defends the rights of gun owners. When it comes to children, the UK has an extremely powerful group called the NSPCC (a childrens charity) which over the years has sucessfully lobbied government many many times to create laws and ammend others so that the rights, safety and welfare of children are protected. It is them who pushed the government into investigating child related crimes and out of these investigations it has been found that those who do harm to children use devices that have end to end encryption on them so if they can avoid detection.

If the NSPCC continue to push for protection of children, the issue of end to end encryption will not go away. As far as they are concerned, protection of children trumps that of everything else, even privacy.
 
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UK law enforcement want end to end encryption removed because it will enable them to catch people involved in child related crimes who use end to end encryption devices to message one another so they can evade the police.
That is what they say until they get the power. Then, they realize that same power can be used for political purposes. This is the real problem; the actual, but un-talked about real results. Do they plan it this way? Who knows. But for sure we know through 100s of years of history about government corruption that they will sure use the tool when it is available.
 
Surveillance is the lifeblood of governments. 1984 got here when the internet was born and governments realized they were losing power to it. The free and open flow of information is toxic to governments, even the so-called democratic ones. They crouch behind the false premise of public safety, in this case the safety of the children, when they really want to maintain power over the populace. End-to-end encryption is an existential threat to their power and they will do, say, proclaim anything to convince the people that it’s evil.
 
The conservatives and the Far Right wants all your data.

They want to end safe browsing and messaging.

They want to put all your financial data on public ledgers so they can spy and control your behaviour and feed your personal spending into algos and ads.

But their rich donors and wealthy offshore class will make sure they are the only ones who won't be transparent.
 
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