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Moccasin

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I’ve tried not to be too ranty in this post, nor too entitled… here goes:

I recently upgraded to an M1 Mac Mini, keeping my keyboard from my Late 2013 21” iMac which I decided to trade in with Apple through their website. They offered me £270 (not dissimilar to what I’d get if I’d sold with with keyboard etc on eBay or to Cex). I wish I hadn’t bothered.

It started off well enough. I truthfully answered questions about condition (no noticeable problems, booted up fine). I was promised trade in packaging within 3-5 days and the £270 offer would stay open for 14 days.

10 days later, no packaging had arrived but an email did reminding me to send off. Thinking the packaging had got lost, I tried again (also to make sure value hadn’t dropped). Still nothing, so sent an email chasing it up. Finally, 4 weeks after ordering, TWO trade in boxes arrived on the same day without warning.

With some sadness, I followed instructions to decommission my trusty iMac and then tried to use the polystyrene packing (poor fit & ended up using the packing from the second box to help protect it for its final journey).

On Monday, I got confirmation it arrived and then on Wednesday I received an email:

While inspecting your Apple iMac14 3 Core i5 2.9 21.5 inch A1418 9
2013, we noted the following:

Display problem

This changes your trade-in value from £270 to £0 .

If you accept this value:

Great. Just access the self-service portal within 14 days to accept it and your Apple Store Gift Card will be sent to xxxx within 3-5 working days.


As might be imagined, I was “a little cross”. No decent explanation as to what the problem was, no apology/regret & to rub it in they seem to be planning to send a gift card with a value of £0!

I emailed Brightstar and they told me that:
I can see from the inspection notes the value has been reduced due to the of the overall quality of the LCD screen.

Our engineers have identified pixels of the screen that have burst/faded, or otherwise distorted over time, which creates something called "White Spots"

This is a very common issue, and is the result of individual liquid crystals distorting over time.

It is not easily noticeable and does not affect the performance of the device.

It is not damaged in terms of being cracked etc, but it does mean that we would need to replace the entire screen in order to recycle the device, hence the reduction in value


I’m in some ways less bothered by the problem and more by the way that Apple’s website words the questions and trade in process to imply that as long as you answer their questions truthfully, the money will be sent.

However, if my display problem was not easily noticeable and is a very common issue, there seems something wrong with the whole process & the initial valuation - they must know that it’s rare to be able to offer the amount quoted….

I’m trying not to be too cynical in thinking that they delayed the trade in packaging on purpose with the new iMac due and then have an excuse why they didn’t want to honour the original offer.

Now I have a dilemma - do I take the iMac back and give it away, or do I just give up as a lost cause and vow never to use Apple trade in again? I clearly can’t sell it if it’s faulty.

if anyone is thinking of trading in an old iMac when the new ones arrive, I’d seriously reconsider. Really can’t recommend.
 
I don't have any familiarity with the process or trading in an older device, but I would strongly suggest that you refuse the offer of zero money and have them return the iMac to you. Better for you to give it away to someone of your choice than have a third party decide how to recycle it.

I would also suggest that you ignore the feeling that there was a deliberate intent to delay the trade by not sending the box(es) or to provide an excuse to reevaluate the value - it is highly unlikely either are true, and would matter little even if it were so.
 
Our engineers have identified pixels of the screen that have burst/faded, or otherwise distorted over time, which creates something called "White Spots"

This is a very common issue, and is the result of individual liquid crystals distorting over time.
I’d be very interested to see pictures of what they’re on about with this. This is not something I would have seen throughout the immeasurable amount of iMacs I’ve worked on.

The closest thing would be a backlight issue, causing a “bleed” to appear on one of the backlight layers - nothing to do with the LCD panel or liquid crystals. And this would not be cause for writing it completely off as an “LCD problem”.
 
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I don't have any familiarity with the process or trading in an older device, but I would strongly suggest that you refuse the offer of zero money and have them return the iMac to you. Better for you to give it away to someone of your choice than have a third party decide how to recycle it.

I would also suggest that you ignore the feeling that there was a deliberate intent to delay the trade by not sending the box(es) or to provide an excuse to reevaluate the value - it is highly unlikely either are true, and would matter little even if it were so.

you’re quite right about the cynicism, it was just my petulance !
 
I’d be very interested to see pictures of what they’re on about with this. This is not something I would have seen throughout the immeasurable amount of iMacs I’ve worked on.

The closest thing would be a backlight issue, causing a “bleed” to appear on one of the backlight layers - nothing to do with the LCD panel or liquid crystals. And this would not be cause for writing it completely off as an “LCD problem”.
Thanks, that’s interesting to know. I’ll probably ask for it back and give it away to someone
 
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I’ve tried not to be too ranty in this post, nor too entitled… here goes:

I recently upgraded to an M1 Mac Mini, keeping my keyboard from my Late 2013 21” iMac which I decided to trade in with Apple through their website. They offered me £270 (not dissimilar to what I’d get if I’d sold with with keyboard etc on eBay or to Cex). I wish I hadn’t bothered.

It started off well enough. I truthfully answered questions about condition (no noticeable problems, booted up fine). I was promised trade in packaging within 3-5 days and the £270 offer would stay open for 14 days.

10 days later, no packaging had arrived but an email did reminding me to send off. Thinking the packaging had got lost, I tried again (also to make sure value hadn’t dropped). Still nothing, so sent an email chasing it up. Finally, 4 weeks after ordering, TWO trade in boxes arrived on the same day without warning.

With some sadness, I followed instructions to decommission my trusty iMac and then tried to use the polystyrene packing (poor fit & ended up using the packing from the second box to help protect it for its final journey).

On Monday, I got confirmation it arrived and then on Wednesday I received an email:

While inspecting your Apple iMac14 3 Core i5 2.9 21.5 inch A1418 9
2013, we noted the following:

Display problem

This changes your trade-in value from £270 to £0 .

If you accept this value:

Great. Just access the self-service portal within 14 days to accept it and your Apple Store Gift Card will be sent to xxxx within 3-5 working days.


As might be imagined, I was “a little cross”. No decent explanation as to what the problem was, no apology/regret & to rub it in they seem to be planning to send a gift card with a value of £0!

I emailed Brightstar and they told me that:
I can see from the inspection notes the value has been reduced due to the of the overall quality of the LCD screen.

Our engineers have identified pixels of the screen that have burst/faded, or otherwise distorted over time, which creates something called "White Spots"

This is a very common issue, and is the result of individual liquid crystals distorting over time.

It is not easily noticeable and does not affect the performance of the device.

It is not damaged in terms of being cracked etc, but it does mean that we would need to replace the entire screen in order to recycle the device, hence the reduction in value


I’m in some ways less bothered by the problem and more by the way that Apple’s website words the questions and trade in process to imply that as long as you answer their questions truthfully, the money will be sent.

However, if my display problem was not easily noticeable and is a very common issue, there seems something wrong with the whole process & the initial valuation - they must know that it’s rare to be able to offer the amount quoted….

I’m trying not to be too cynical in thinking that they delayed the trade in packaging on purpose with the new iMac due and then have an excuse why they didn’t want to honour the original offer.

Now I have a dilemma - do I take the iMac back and give it away, or do I just give up as a lost cause and vow never to use Apple trade in again? I clearly can’t sell it if it’s faulty.

if anyone is thinking of trading in an old iMac when the new ones arrive, I’d seriously reconsider. Really can’t recommend.
OP was this something you could notice before the trade-in?
 
OP was this something you could notice before the trade-in?
No - screen looked fine to me. As Brightstar told me, it would be barely noticeable. My quarrel is more with the questions asked and wording of the trade in page that implies that as long as you truthfully reply to the basic questions (does it boot up, is there damage, is the screen cracked etc) then the quoted value would stand
 
I was disappointed with Bright Star, too. Last year I sent them my well looked after 2011 iMac that was without fault; and though I can't remember the exact details, the reduced the value of the machine on inspection because of some nonsense about condition. By that point there was no point in taking it back so I reluctantly took the money, but I would never use them again.

There was actually another time where I talked to an Apple rep. through chat on their website, and after I made a point about the trade-in value being ridiculous, they actually agreed with me and suggested I sell my MacBook Pro '18 elsewhere! I couldn't believe it. The irony of that particular story though was that Apple Silicon was announced soon after and the value tanked anyway 🤦‍♂️ :D
 
Thanks for sharing this.

It's crossed my mind to trade in old Macs before, but I've been passing them on to friends and relatives instead. A couple of years ago my 9 year old Godson was absolutely delighted to be given my old 2009 iMac to do his homework. I imagine it would have been worthless, as even I could see that the screen had deteriorated, but for basic use it still works just fine.

I shall continue to just pass them on...
 
Here in the US, we use Apple's trade in partner: Phobio which also does the same shady business.

Not surprised...

I always sell mine on eBay.

Just listed my 2014 Mini and 2015 15" MBP on eBay and they will sell to pay for the M1 iMac that's incoming this week:
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No - screen looked fine to me. As Brightstar told me, it would be barely noticeable. My quarrel is more with the questions asked and wording of the trade in page that implies that as long as you truthfully reply to the basic questions (does it boot up, is there damage, is the screen cracked etc) then the quoted value would stand
Really depends on how noticeable the spots were TBH. If you had clear white spots on your iMac, then yeah, I could see the issue that Brightstar is pointing out. That will alter the value of your trade-in. If you personally could not make out these spots, then I think you have a stronger case.

In general, I wouldn't be too open to the idea of trading in an iMac or selling it on Ebay TBH just because of the potential scenario you find yourself in. It's a big machine. A pain to send off, etc. I'd rather sell it locally or trade-in at a computer store. I'd be more open to mailing in smaller devices. (iPhone, iPad, AW, etc.)

I would have Brightstar send you back the iMac and then try to sell it or trade-in locally.
 
Really depends on how noticeable the spots were TBH. If you had clear white spots on your iMac, then yeah, I could see the issue that Brightstar is pointing out. That will alter the value of your trade-in. If you personally could not make out these spots, then I think you have a stronger case.

In general, I wouldn't be too open to the idea of trading in an iMac or selling it on Ebay TBH just because of the potential scenario you find yourself in. It's a big machine. A pain to send off, etc. I'd rather sell it locally or trade-in at a computer store. I'd be more open to mailing in smaller devices. (iPhone, iPad, AW, etc.)

I would have Brightstar send you back the iMac and then try to sell it or trade-in locally.

There’s a Facebook group for the housing estate I live on and I’ll see if anyone wants it. It’ll need mouse and keyboard but otherwise is generally fine, if a bit slow. If Apple hadn’t got rid of Target Display Mode and it could be used as a screen for Windows laptops, I’d still be using it.
 
This changes your trade-in value from £270 to £0 .
If you accept this value:


This has got to be the biggest 'piss take'....... 😆
Just shows how generic the response system is.
Oh yeah, here you go Apple have my working imac for free......!

When I have been curious about trade in values before, it hardly seems worth it.
I rather just keep stuff, always useful as a backup machine.
 
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Thanks for all your replies and advice. In the end I just accepted the £0 value. I’ve just got too much going on at the moment to waste any more time with Brightstar and Apple.
 
I’d be very interested to see pictures of what they’re on about with this. This is not something I would have seen throughout the immeasurable amount of iMacs I’ve worked on.
It's quite common. I had this issue on my 2017 MacBook Bro. I had a white spot the size of a quarter behind the Dock. Apple replaced the LCD under warranty. It was like that since day one but since it was behind the Dock I had noticed until after the return period. I've seen a couple of friend's Macs with the white spots issue as well.
 
Thanks for all your replies and advice. In the end I just accepted the £0 value. I’ve just got too much going on at the moment to waste any more time with Brightstar and Apple.
Sorry to hear about your experience but I have to say that you are incorrect about Apple not wanting to make good on the quoted trade in amount. I traded my 2018 MBP in and got the full credit quoted on the website. It was in pristine condition though. Thats why they have to inspect it before they give the final say on how much credit you get.

Something to keep in mind. Apple is not only paying for the box, packaging and shipping of your product but they are taking all of the headache away that the customer would have to go through if selling it themselves through such a place like Ebay. Your money is guaranteed and provided to you right away rather than dealing with PayPal and Ebay's seller fees. So you can't blame them for wanting a pristine product for the maximum quoted amount.
 
Yes but to offer a 'value' of £0, is ridiculous.
They could have at least offered an iTunes gift card of some value.
 
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Yes but to offer a 'value' of £0, is ridiculous.
They could have at least offered an iTunes gift card of some value.
When they are offering a zero credit they are offering to take it off the OP's hands and recycle it. That makes no sense to offer an iTunes gift card if they were offering a zero credit. They wouldn't offer a zero credit then.
 
Then the op could just sling it in the trash themselves.
There must be some resale value in the ram/storage, even if it was £50.

And the iMac was a 'working machine' before sending to Apple, blemished or not.
I think this is disgraceful of Apple.
 
Then the op could just sling it in the trash themselves.
There must be some resale value in the ram/storage, even if it was £50.

And the iMac was a 'working machine' before sending to Apple, blemished or not.
I think this is disgraceful of Apple.
I'm not even going to argue how ridiculous you're sounding with that line but since you think there is some value in something that is sight unseen to you then the OP could very well sell it on his own too, such as on Ebay or FB Marketplace.
 
I’m sure I read a story in the UK press within the last couple of weeks about this exact practice but with laptops where users were told they were worth nothing due to “white spots” but of course, there’s no white spots to be seen.
 
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