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UK Looking At DRM Warning Label?
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akhomerun said:
no, no, no this is completely stupid and useless.
non technical people still won't have any idea what is going on and trying to scare them with warning labels won't help that. also, almost all digital content is going to have some drm, as well it should, and therefore everyone will eventually stop looking at labels like that anyway.
sony totally ****ed up the whole thing because they went entirely too far with a so called drm effort. on the other hand, having -some- drm is a totally fair and expected thing from content creators. for instance, the drm that apple uses is close to perfect for me. works on my computers and ipod, i never have to think about it, i can burn cd's or whatever. perfect.
it isn't now the case that folks who buy a song own it the way that the creators of those songs own them, and as such some drm will exist for the forseeable future. it's a good idea too. in the same way that locks keep honest people honest, drm diminishes the temptation to steal intellectual property.
zim
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jaxstate said:
Best to say that audio files from the iTMS can only be used on iPods and iTMS compatible devices, such as iTMS compatible cell phones. Saying that MP3's from iTunes can not play is too general because iTunes does not place DRM on mp3s nor aac (the default option for iTunes) music files when the files are generated from CDs.
aegisdesign said:
Apple terms of service does not spell out how their DRM is implemented either. So what is your point?. I think the original poster had it right. Really, who pays attention to a TOS?. Yes Sony implemented their DRM as a rootkit but they could have implemented it many ways. Are you saying SONY stated that they implemented a DRM but not the technique or are you saying they did not even state they were implementing a DRM?. Other than knowing that apple DRM is fairplay, are you sure you know (or even the average consumer) how this DRM is implemented?. I'm sure SONY did mention a "usage rules" as Apple TOS seems to call their DRM (they never mention fairplay or the words DRM).
gekko513 said:
Gekko, you must be slow. Real slow. You are making his point. His point was that lots of people buy from ITMS without understanding the DRM just as they did the SONY cd's without understanding the DRM.
Never mind, read later on and see that you both kinda reached an understanding that you were talking about the same thing. I guess another advice i should follow is to read all the replies and counter replies before replying 🙂.
gekko513 said:
Yes, i did fall on my sword (see the edited post). I'm a fair guy. I can admit when i'm wrong (if it's apparent).
This pretty much sums up the DRM issue. People who want to steal will always do so. Companies retaliate and punish everyone, and in turn people get pissed at the company and steal more. Cycle repeats.Applespider said:
Johnny Rico said:
I would disagree slightly in that not every thief skill is the same. I will do an analogy (even though i think analogies are not perfect) about a car alarm or even a home alarm system. The casual thief is dissuaded but the real expert thief is not. It's all about reducing the numbers. Music companies are not under the illusion that they can stamp out piracy 100% but they can stamp out to some extent. My neice and nephews like music (they are teenagers and many parents are familiar with teenages constantly blasting music). Their talent for circumventing a DRM is limited to non-existent. Before DRM, they would definetly always steal their music. So yes, there is a subset of people who have the necessary technical abilities to circumvent DRM's but the DRM is meant to stop the casual thief (whew.. what a long post.. man, i must have time on my hands)
Why does DRM prevent them from stealing music as much as they would "before" DRM? Either way you're getting on some kind of 'trading' system and downloading unprotected files. The existence of DRM causes people like your relatives to try and avoid it by downloading unprotected files instead of purchasing or trying to rip protected music in order to avoid those protections. We aren't talking about a high tech reverse engineer programming criminal ring here.. We're talking about people downloading for free instead of paying because what you get for free is less restricted than what you would pay for. And to think that there is a pair of teenagers alive who used to "definitely always steal their music", but now that we have DRM, they don't know how to steal music, is just ignorant.wnurse said:
SPUY767
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This should be a pretty good deal for apple as Fair Play is miles simpler than other DRM formats. Even Plays for Sure has about fifteen different variants depending on what music store you go to. That means that any device supporting plays for sure will have a much lengthier description of its DRM than an iPod.
Johnny Rico said:
Yeah as if the people getting free music would have bought music if DRM was not in place, and you talk about ignorance!!!. The whole point of DRM is to make music file trading illegal. Then the music companies can go legally after the music file traders and individuals (as they did and are doing). Soon i suspect that the music industry will persuade some court (i haven't a clue why they havenn't done this yet) that any non-drm music is illegal and that possesing music in non-drm form requires you to possess it in drm form. IE, you can only have non-drm if you had ripped from a drm. Imagine having to explain how you have in your possession a mp3 of Bon Jovi but not the drm version?. The legal framework is being laid. I presume some intelligent music executive will soon start making all new releases in DRM'd format only. Thus, those file sharing networks that proclaim ignorance and say "hey, we are the good guys, we don't do anything wrong, we just facilitate file trading.. we don't keep the music on our servers".. will lose that argument if the music industry go in that direction.
Desperado said:
I meant thiefery. Copyright infringment means using someone else work in your product... Thiefery is acquiring a product that is not yours without paying. It is possible to pay for a something and then use that product in a manner that is defined as copyright infringement.. nice try Desperado.
fatfish
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I'll go with a label on media, I don't buy any Cd's anymore, but my kids do and usually lose them or damage them after a few days, so I like them to be able to back them up on their macs. I don't know that a warning would be the right phrase, information would be a better phrase.
Labels on media players, no thank you, if you can't be bothered to look into what your buying, you desrve what you get. Moreover though it would be too complicated:
Will/won't play itms music, will/won't play napster music, etc etc. will/won't play AAC, will won't play wma, will/won't play apple lossless etc etc. will won't play itms TV shows, will/won't play disney TV shows etc etc, will/won't play mpeg2, will won't play mp4.
Sure would spoil Apples stylish packaging.
Labels on media players, no thank you, if you can't be bothered to look into what your buying, you desrve what you get. Moreover though it would be too complicated:
Will/won't play itms music, will/won't play napster music, etc etc. will/won't play AAC, will won't play wma, will/won't play apple lossless etc etc. will won't play itms TV shows, will/won't play disney TV shows etc etc, will/won't play mpeg2, will won't play mp4.
Sure would spoil Apples stylish packaging.
Billy Boo Bob
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Saying that Macintosh is inferior to Windows because more people use Windows is like saying that all restaurants are inferior to McDonalds.veneficuss said:
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I don't think circumventing DRM is really an issue for some teens, they will just download the mp3 from someone who has already done it.wnurse said: