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I realize I am in a very small minority but being forced to use a webkit browser was one of the main reasons for my switch to android. It is a pleasure using the 'real' firefox instead of the gimped firefox in IOS.
 
Allowing other Browser engines besides WebKit would expose the OS to many security issues.
The last thing I want is to have to run an Antivirus on my Phone. I want it as secured as possible.

Most third-party browsers are junk anyway:
• Chrome is basically Google's spyware
• Firefox had its day, but only a few people use it. It doesn't offer anything relevant that Safari already offers (Their comparison chart is outdated).
• Opera lost its initial appeal.
• The rest are just minority trying to float to be noticed.


• Edge is compatible with Microsoft Technologies, and very reliable at it.
• Safari is secure and fully integrated with Apple Operating Systems, and gives the best experience. For some websites that may have compatibility issues, I use Edge. But lately I haven't run into any sites like that.
 
I realize I am in a very small minority but being forced to use a webkit browser was one of the main reasons for my switch to android. It is a pleasure using the 'real' firefox instead of the gimped firefox in IOS.
Sorry but this is MacRUMORS not MacFAIRYTALES.

Not sure how you expect to come here with stories about being able to choose to develop on other platforms, and not use Apple products and be believed.

Surely it is indisputable fact that users and developers once bought an apple product are locked in and forced to remain within the Apple EcoSystem for ever and ever and that is why we need all his regulation to allow choice.

You mean to say that people can actually say Apple, NO. Your product doesn’t work for me with its restrictions and I choose to use a different product.

I am going to have to have a a few moments to recover from such a shocking post.

On a less sarcastic footing then well done for being smarter then the average person that buys a restricted product then moans the product is restricted. I love my Mac, iPhone and iPad but still use Windows PC for games as Mac still is shocking for games. However like you I buy and use the correct product for my needs rather then sit around moaning about using a product that doesn’t.

If more people actually did that then Apples market share would either be smaller or they would adapt to what the market says they want.
 
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Sorry but this is MacRUMORS not MacFAIRYTALES.

Not sure how you expect to come here with stories about being able to choose to develop on other platforms, and not use Apple products and be believed.

Surely it is indisputable fact that users and developers once bought an apple product are locked in and forced to remain within the Apple EcoSystem for ever and ever and that is why we need all his regulation to allow choice.

You mean to say that people can actually say Apple, NO. Your product doesn’t work for me with its restrictions and I choose to use a different product.

I am going to have to have a a few moments to recover from such a shocking post.

On a less sarcastic footing then well done for being smarter then the average person that buys a restricted product then moans the product is restricted. I love my Mac, iPhone and iPad but still use Windows PC for games as Mac still is shocking for games. However like you I buy and use the correct product for my needs rather then sit around moaning about using a product that doesn’t.

If more people actually did that then Apples market share would either be smaller or they would adapt to what the market says they want.
Most people use their phone the way it is the day they turn it on. They may install a couple of apps and that is it. They are not looking to change their browser/maps/mail, etc., because the standard apps do everything they need. This goes for Apple and Android.
 
I just wish to run a web browser with a different engine than just a bunch of WebKit wrappers.

If you don't want to, that's OK. You don't have to. But let me make the choice of the software I wish to run on my devices.
 
Allowing other Browser engines besides WebKit would expose the OS to many security issues.
The last thing I want is to have to run an Antivirus on my Phone. I want it as secured as possible.

Most third-party browsers are junk anyway:
• Chrome is basically Google's spyware
• Firefox had its day, but only a few people use it. It doesn't offer anything relevant that Safari already offers (Their comparison chart is outdated).
• Opera lost its initial appeal.
• The rest are just minority trying to float to be noticed.


• Edge is compatible with Microsoft Technologies, and very reliable at it.
• Safari is secure and fully integrated with Apple Operating Systems, and gives the best experience. For some websites that may have compatibility issues, I use Edge. But lately I haven't run into any sites like that.
Most browsers are webkit or forked from it anways, I think Firefox is the only browser that isn't webkit at its base.

From Google:

The primary browser that uses WebKit as its core rendering engine is Apple's Safari, along with browsers on iOS and macOS, and some third-party browsers like Orion and Sleipnir.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Apple Safari: This is the main browser developed by Apple that relies on WebKit.

  • iOS and macOS Browsers: All browsers on Apple's iOS and macOS platforms, including Safari, Mail, App Store, and others, utilize WebKit.

  • Third-Party Browsers: Some third-party browsers, such as Orion and Sleipnir, also use WebKit as their rendering engine.

  • Other WebKit-Based Browsers: GNOME Web and Konqueror also use WebKit as their rendering engine.

  • Blink (Forked from WebKit): It's important to note that Google originally used WebKit for Chrome but later forked it to create Blink, which is now the engine used by Chrome, Chromium-based browsers (like Microsoft Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera), and others.
  • WebKitGTK: GNOME Web uses WebKitGTK, a version of WebKit.
 
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Maybe the CMA should ask why the UK has not contributed to the market in browsers? Why they have just relied on American companies?

Isn’t it about time the UK and Europe did something. Protected start ups, provided better access to finance and allowed alternatives to the USA giants. It’s time to have more European based tech and software firms and end our dependance on the US.
We thought it would be nice to let the yanks have a go after inventing the internet
 
Not inaccurate, but they're hardly the only guilty party.

These days you'll be hard pressed to find a non-Apple device using anything other than Chrome or a Chrome-derived browser.

American corporations are not to be trusted as the guardians of the open internet.
 
For many lemmings here at MR, its not about the content, but rather about to rant towards the EU. As soon as something is decided by/in the EU, no matter how customer-friendly it is, it's considered bad/communism for them.

Since UK is not EU anymore, that's fine for them, no matter what the actual topic is.
Yes, I totally agree with you.

Thank you for your post.
 
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Allowing other Browser engines besides WebKit would expose the OS to many security issues.
The last thing I want is to have to run an Antivirus on my Phone. I want it as secured as possible.

Macs have allowed alternative browser engines for ages. Is macOS that insecure? Has Apple ever blamed alternative browser engines for any meaningful security issues on macOS?
 
I realize I am in a very small minority but being forced to use a webkit browser was one of the main reasons for my switch to android. It is a pleasure using the 'real' firefox instead of the gimped firefox in IOS.
And that’s exactly how it’s supposed to work, you as the consumer weighed the pros and cons of two competing platforms and chose the one that offered the features you prioritized most.
 
No you don't. You have 3 different front-ends to the same browser engine (Webkit). Those three "different" browsers won't render sites any differently or better than any other, or offer newer web features that aren't present in WebKit.
Would you take responsibility if Chromium came to iOS and it started to drain everyone's batteries. People would blame Apple for bad battery life, which they still do if they are running Chromium on macOS. Webkit is one of the very important reasons I love Apple
 
With a 31% marketshare in the UK and 21%in the EU yes Apple is to absolutely singehandledly to blame for the lack of innovation in the UK.
Time for another round of fines i guess. It would be nice if they used those hefty fines directly to developers.
 
The WebKit requirement on iPhones is probably the only thing left stopping the entire web from becoming Chromium-only. Already most of my dad's web sites require him to put Safari away and open up Chrome, and I've switched from Safari to Vivaldi specifically because of the way the wind is blowing. If there were a way to run Chromium's rendering engine on an iPhone that would be the end of it and we'd officially have an IE6 monoculture again only with Chromium this time. But that seems to be what the entire tech community wants for some reason, so I'm sure there will be much rejoicing.

As far as the browsers themselves are concerned, Chrome overwhelmingly dominates on Windows even though Edge is the default, preinstalled browser and even though unlike Apple, Microsoft shamelessly engages in user-hostile practices to keep it as the default. So it clearly doesn't matter like people think it does. But let's just ignore that so we can hate on Apple more.

I think it's wonderful that these governments are finally trying to regulate these companies, because regulation is badly needed. But they are completely doing this the wrong way and focusing on the wrong things. How about an actual journaled file system every OS is required to support? How about prohibiting Microsoft Word from disabling functionality to punish you for saving your documents to anything other than OneDrive? Instead, the focus seems to be on helping different companies make more money at the cost of user experience.
Does it work if u open the develop menu on safari & select chrome as the browser it identifies as when visiting websites as opposed to auto, that’s how I get round stuff for my parents - no need to switch out of safari.
 
Maybe the CMA should ask why the UK has not contributed to the market in browsers? Why they have just relied on American companies?

Isn’t it about time the UK and Europe did something. Protected start ups, provided better access to finance and allowed alternatives to the USA giants. It’s time to have more European based tech and software firms and end our dependance on the US.

A lot of open source projects, including those underpinning modern Web browsers, have contributors from around the world, including from the UK, which is home to many credible developers. I won't mention a Brit was pivotal to the invention of the Web itself and deigned not to patent it. The US corporations tend to wrap themselves around these projects for their specific commercial purposes and not for reasons of charity. In the case of Safari, this is apparently for security and interoperability reasons. For Chrome, it is because Google wanted influence over how people use the Web and Google services. The US regulator itself has concluded that Google should no longer control Chrome. This isn't, therefore, a European issue. Please also understand that many US corporations make much of their revenue abroad and have extensive personnel working on their projects in many countries, including thousands of people in the UK. They also buy up European companies: Google's AI arm DeepMind was a UK company it bought up.
 
Most browsers are webkit or forked from it anways, I think Firefox is the only browser that isn't webkit at its base.

From Google:

The primary browser that uses WebKit as its core rendering engine is Apple's Safari, along with browsers on iOS and macOS, and some third-party browsers like Orion and Sleipnir.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Apple Safari: This is the main browser developed by Apple that relies on WebKit.

  • iOS and macOS Browsers: All browsers on Apple's iOS and macOS platforms, including Safari, Mail, App Store, and others, utilize WebKit.

  • Third-Party Browsers: Some third-party browsers, such as Orion and Sleipnir, also use WebKit as their rendering engine.

  • Other WebKit-Based Browsers: GNOME Web and Konqueror also use WebKit as their rendering engine.

  • Blink (Forked from WebKit): It's important to note that Google originally used WebKit for Chrome but later forked it to create Blink, which is now the engine used by Chrome, Chromium-based browsers (like Microsoft Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Opera), and others.
  • WebKitGTK: GNOME Web uses WebKitGTK, a version of WebKit.
Please don’t post AI results without fact checking them. The bit about macOS browsers is false. AI is ok as starting off point for your research but don’t just believe everything they produce, they are prone to making things up. The part you highlighted is correct, but the fact that you posted it all verbatim leads me to believe you didn’t check if it was.
 
The same regulator who wants UK residents to have less privacy with their Apple products? Or is that a different regulator?
It's not hard to see all this as part of the same push to reduce system security - regardless of what opportunities it may allow bad actors, the UK Government does not want users being able to keep their stuff private
 
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Please don’t post AI results without fact checking them. The bit about macOS browsers is false. AI is ok as starting off point for your research but don’t just believe everything they produce, they are prone to making things up. The part you highlighted is correct, but the fact that you posted it all verbatim leads me to believe you didn’t check if it was.
I didn't catch the macOS guessing it should have been iPadOS. I put from Google for a reason ...
 
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