maybe i'm misunderstanding it but it says on apples website that photos is only end to end encrypted if you have advanced date other wise its just in transit and on server.
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UK Reportedly Withdraws Demand to Access Encrypted iCloud User Data
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maybe i'm misunderstanding it but it says on apples website that photos is only end to end encrypted if you have advanced date other wise its just in transit and on server.
To clarify, Apple does have access to encrypted backups unless you've turned on Advanced Data Protection for iCloud, since they hold your private key connected to your Apple ID.
LOL announcements like these are just theater in order to get people to think they have privacy. They don’t.
en.m.wikipedia.org
If Israel has access to software like Pegasus then you better believe the US and UK already have access to it or have their own similar spyware.
Apples ‘end to end’ encryption is useless if these governments already have access to your entire phone.
Pegasus (spyware) - Wikipedia
If Israel has access to software like Pegasus then you better believe the US and UK already have access to it or have their own similar spyware.
Apples ‘end to end’ encryption is useless if these governments already have access to your entire phone.
...to protect everyone's privacy rights, quite possibly. But looks like we got the right outcome in the end. Don't care how we got here. The whole idea was nonsensical and flawed from the get go.
LOL announcements like these are just theater in order to get people to think they have privacy. They don’t.
Pegasus (spyware) - Wikipedia
If Israel has access to software like Pegasus then you better believe the US and UK already have access to it or have their own similar spyware.
Apples ‘end to end’ encryption is useless if these governments already have access to your entire phone.
Agreed -- and honestly, stories like this just reinforce that false sense of security for people.
It probably is a net win for the agencies wanting to access data behind the scenes.
Apple users in particular are far less vigilant along these lines as they've over consumed the marketing about Security & Privacy and end up placing too much blind trust where they shouldn't.
I would imagine that adoption of ADP will be WAY higher because of the UK Govt actions. Lol
I was driving to work this morning and thinking about this… on one hand I wonder if Apple really believes that privacy is a fundamental human right. On the other hand, I wonder if 200 years from now there will be memoirs collecting dust like Snowden's Permanent Record written by Apple employees or government officials saying it was all a sham.
I'm smart enough compared to friends and family to know my way around a computer, but I am humble enough to admit I am clueless as to how a computer actually works. I know enough to install NextDNS and block everything that Hagazie says is bad, but on the other hand for all I know NextDNS servers are in a back alley selling everything they know about me to some shady actors.
I'm smart enough compared to friends and family to know my way around a computer, but I am humble enough to admit I am clueless as to how a computer actually works. I know enough to install NextDNS and block everything that Hagazie says is bad, but on the other hand for all I know NextDNS servers are in a back alley selling everything they know about me to some shady actors.
I think your thought process is right on.
Ultimately, it's becoming nearly impossible to have the degree of privacy some of us like to imagine we have (or would want).
I think most of humanity that cares about this is compensating and overlooking what's really going on, as the alternatives are not viable (not using many key and core technologies of modern life).
I did the same and was told in no uncertain terms to piss off because it's party policy.
I have replied that I did not realise the party I voted in got their policies from the Socialist Unity Party of Germany.
Time will tell on the reply to that one...
I suspect Apple leadership really does believe it; otherwise there would have been no point to leak this UK request to the press, fight it in court, etc. when they could have said nothing. That said, I am sure there are people working at Apple who are on governments' payrolls (or otherwise working for governments) to insert/not patch bugs, leak vulnerabilities to the "good guys" etc.
If the government really wants your info (i.e., you're a high-value target), they'll get it unless you're living completely off of burners or are completely offline. But I do think these tools (ADP, NextDNS, etc.) make a meaningful difference against mass surveillance, advertising networks, casual/random data grabs, etc.
LOL announcements like these are just theater in order to get people to think they have privacy. They don’t.
Pegasus (spyware) - Wikipedia
If Israel has access to software like Pegasus then you better believe the US and UK already have access to it or have their own similar spyware.
Apples ‘end to end’ encryption is useless if these governments already have access to your entire phone.
Fear mongering.
Pegasus isn’t some miracle way to mass survey people. It’s something used to specifically target an individual(s) as the cost is prohibitive for anyone but governments.
Further, the more people targeted the faster it’s discovered and patches release to prevent its use.
Apples E2EE is not useless and Apple has the best privacy of any tech company by far.
Nope. I just explained this above.
Pathetic attempt to try and claim Apple’s privacy measures are useless. They are substantially superior to other companies (like Google/Android).
Relax a little Dave (the "pathetic" comment is uncalled for)...
Let's just agree to disagree as you didn't seem to quite grasp what I was getting at.
All good.
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Just checked my Safari privacy report for MacRumors and found it has 101 trackers. That’s right, 101.
Multiple trackers from Google and Meta plus all the other usual suspects.
You know what tracker doesn’t appear? Apple. Mainly because Apple doesn’t employ trackers across millions of websites like Google/Meta do.
Multiple trackers from Google and Meta plus all the other usual suspects.
You know what tracker doesn’t appear? Apple. Mainly because Apple doesn’t employ trackers across millions of websites like Google/Meta do.
Bringing up Pegasus as something people need to worry about or that Apple privacy is an illusion is asinine. Apple is demonstrably superior to others. They’re not perfect and have made mistakes, but that doesn’t change the fact their privacy/security is outstanding.
Pegasus was hidden for years because it was only used on a handful of devices. In one case a small number of users were infected and as soon as Apple was able to examine data from a device they released a patch in record time (a few days).
This is the type of rapid turnaround that’s simply impossible on Android (for example).
And remind me again who is requesting a backdoor into Apple’s encryption? Oh yeah, the UK Government.
The point is, if any government around the world wants to spy on your phone, they can. They can view your screen, turn on your camera, microphone and log your keystrokes.
News stories like these are intended to dupe the public into thinking their devices are very secure and private from government snooping, which they are clearly not. It also puts Apple in a positive light.
It’s one of those ‘everybody wins and nobody loses’ type of stories.
Apple can boast all they want about privacy but at the end of the day all of these companies have government backdoors into thier devices otherwise they wouldn’t be allowed to do business in these countries.
Correct, my mother knows about it now and wishes to enable when it’s available again.
Flip-flopping Russian asset Cruella Chabanov De Vil is all about protecting the people. Just don't look at what her other hand is doing behind her back as she follows orders from her Christo-Fascist mobster overlords.
This is incorrect.
ADP offers encryption for much more than device backups. Everything that is stored on iCloud is affected by it, and right now it is not offered in the UK.
May I ask why are you stating things that are simply not true, as given facts?
You might wish to believe any nonsense fed to you by the Daily Mail, Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson, but what makes you think that the rest of us are unable to conduct the most simple of fact checks?
Right you are. Cute to think otherwise.
I think misuse is the issue here. I hope no one at MR think its a good idea to protect terrorists and criminals but who knows. Interesting dilemma: would Apple be seen as a helper of crime and terrorism if not providing access to suspects iCloud Drive?
There is always a workaround regarding IT technology...
No need for conspiracy logic. The answer is much more mundane. If you have ADP (Advanced Data Protection) enabled, then Apple can't access your iCloud backups. If you don't have ADP enabled then Apple can access your iCloud backups.
Advanced Data Protection for iCloud
iCloud uses best-in-class security technologies and employs strict policies to protect user data.
That's why ADP isn't available in the UK.