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I guess you’d like to live in the 60’s where you would have had more ”freedom” on the roads. I mean, why wear a seatbelt? How dare they infringe on that liberty. Or even force you to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle. Or damn the governments that force you to take driving tests and place road speed limits to reduce casualties.

If you want to live in a civilised society, there are norms and common sense rules to adhere to. This isn’t an anarchistic and “Mad Max” world we live in.

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Sir, I want to live in your Mad Max world.

Not really, this is an obscure reference to Homer Simpson wanting to buy Lisa's magic rock in the episode when bears roam Springfield.

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Tiger rock....
 
If this new legislation happened here in America, armed militias would be outraged and shoot various state capita(o)l buildings.
 
Good it’s incredibly dangerous! I’m surprised how bad it is in America as well. Just watch any Tik Tok or blogger filming themselves while driving! Bonkers
 
If this new legislation happened here in America, armed militias would be outraged and shoot various state capita(o)l buildings.

Many states in US are doing more strict restriction now. I got a ticket because I hold a phone at red light. I didn’t use the phone but just hold it. Yes, it’s violation of state law in many states. You can’t even touch the phone even if it’s in cradle while driving including at red light. Navigation purpose is only an exception.
 
It's not aimed at you personally. It's aimed at the stupid government your country have in power who are incompetent and useless. This is a prime example.
As somebody posting from "Apple Campus, Copertino USA" I suppose you feel competent to comment on the stupidity, usefullness and incompetence of the governments of other countries? 🤔
 
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Can't you pair your car via bluetooth? That way calls (and contacts) will go through the car so you can see who's calling on the car display and take the call using the steering wheel buttons. The phone auto-connects to the car when you turn the car on which is neat, however on my car it also auto-plays whatever (music or podcast) as soon as it's connected, which is super annoying.
I don't have Car Play so I put my iPhone in silent mode when I'm driving. I'll only hear it ringing if one of the few contacts I have in "Emergency Bypass" call.
 
It's not aimed at you personally. It's aimed at the stupid government your country have in power who are incompetent and useless. This is a prime example.
BTW, I actually said "I COULD take offence...".

Misquoting others is not cool.

 
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Can't you pair your car via bluetooth? That way calls (and contacts) will go through the car so you can see who's calling on the car display and take the call using the steering wheel buttons. The phone auto-connects to the car when you turn the car on which is neat, however on my car it also auto-plays whatever (music or podcast) as soon as it's connected, which is super annoying.

I did this with my previous car. Absolutely horrible quality. And the car firmware doesn't respect privacy: anyone could see a list of calls and messages I'd made. No big surprise, I suppose, since car manufacturers are years behind the likes of Apple in producing a decent UX.
 
If you want to live in a civilised society, there are norms and common sense rules to adhere to. This isn’t an anarchistic and “Mad Max” world we live in.

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I don't want to downplay the importance of using a car responsibly and carefully in the slightest, but I expect most of the downward trend on the above chart is probably down to improvements in technology and safety. In the 1940s, for example, you could almost guarantee that a steering wheel would go right through your chest in the event of a serious prang. In the meantime: Airbags... side impact protection... ABS... safety glass... anti-collision radar... and probably a ton of other stuff that makes driving safer has been developed.
 
Yes, I am well qualified to comment on the competence of the UK government.

Yet as terrible as the government is, you still managed to be wrong.

I don't want to downplay the importance of using a car responsibly and carefully in the slightest, but I expect most of the downward trend on the above chart is probably down to improvements in technology and safety. In the 1940s, for example, you could almost guarantee that a steering wheel would go right through your chest in the event of a serious prang. In the meantime: Airbags... side impact protection... ABS... safety glass... anti-collision radar... and probably a ton of other stuff that makes driving safer has been developed.

Whilst that is a large part of it, many of those things became normalized through legislation requiring them.

For example, my motorcycle has ABS because it is a legal requirement in Europe. But in the U.S. on the same model was only an optional feature that you needed to pay extra for. And that change was not without the industry trying to fight it on the grounds it would increase costs and effect sales. Though they were successful in preventing it applying to smaller bikes, even though they can still reach 60 mph.

Although conversely that bike model also has running lights in the U.S. because they were required in some states, yet that feature is not available at all on U.K. models as it was not a requirement here.

But legislation on drink-driving (as it is called here) had a big statistical impact on safety, as did laws requiring helmets for motorcyclists, and the standards they need to meet. Driving licence requirements and testing have also increasingly been made stricter.

And as much as people do not like them, constant reductions in speed limits on many roads have reduced the severity of accidents. There are plenty of "if someone is hit by a car at 30 mph they have x% of being killed, but at 20 mph it is just y%" campaigns. Although the x and y do seem to be different every time! But the key point there is it is not just about reducing accidents, but how dangerous they are.

Because as cocooned as a car driver may be by all those safety features you mention, people killed on the road also includes vulnerable road users without those protections. These include motorcyclists, horse riders, cyclists, and pedestrians.

One of the problems with safety features is they do give a feeling of invincibility. It is easy to think it is okay to use your phone because a small dink with another car if just an annoying increase in insurance premiums because you are both well protected in modern vehicles. But what if that dink is someone without any safety features at all?

As a motorcyclist I have no crumple zones, no seat belts, no radars, no airbags (you can get airbag jackets, but they are still extremely expensive). I am just sitting freely on top of a engine wearing abrasion resistant gloves, trousers, and jacket, with some strong boots and a big lump of plastic on my head. A dink at speed and I am flying into oncoming traffic.

Just yesterday I had a car overtake me on a 70 mph road that was straddling the divider between its lane and mine. Most of their safety features did nothing to make me safer.

To bring it back on topic, that is the problem with those who argue about their freedoms being taken away. All laws take away freedoms, but they do it at the point where ones person's freedom impinges on those of someone else. I am not free to just take you car whenever I want because I do not care about your personal interests, and you are not free to unnecessarily risk my life whenever you want because you do not care about me.

Those who complain about their freedoms being taken away always seem to want the state to support their own interests, and oppose a total anarchy which removes any protections of their property or lives.
 
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Yet as terrible as the government is, you still managed to be wrong.

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As a motorcyclist I have no crumple zones, no seat belts, no radars, no airbags (you can get airbag jackets, but they are still extremely expensive). I am just sitting freely on top of a engine wearing abrasion resistant gloves, trousers, and jacket, with some strong boots and a big lump of plastic on my head. A dink at speed and I am flying into oncoming traffic.

Just yesterday I had a car overtake me on a 70 mph road that was straddling the divider between its lane and mine. Most of their safety features did nothing to make me safer.

To bring it back on topic, that is the problem with those who argue about their freedoms being taken away. All laws take away freedoms, but they do it at the point where ones person's freedom impinges on those of someone else. I am not free to just take you car whenever I want because I do not care about your personal interests, and you are not free to unnecessarily risk my life whenever you want because you do not care about me.

Those who complain about their freedoms being taken away always seem to want the state to support their own interests, and oppose a total anarchy which removes any protections of their property or lives.

Spot on, says this Brit who in his day has owned BSA (two models), Norton and Ducati!

Every close shave I've ever had involved car drivers who excused themselves with the classic "Sorry mate, I didn't see you!", and that was before the days of mobile phones distracting them...
 
About time. It’s so ridiculously selfish when you see people looking down at their phones thinking it’s okay.
There is nuance here.
If you are taking a photo you are probably not looking down. Some people use their phone as a Sat Nav, I don't see how operating this is any different from a built in one.

There needs to be more police on the road and tougher penalties when caught. Speed cameras are not sufficient, they don't catch bad drivers.
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If your NOT THE DRIVER, you can use your phone as you like.
The point is hoe does the car know you are a passenger?
 
No, but you can submit video to a number of police forces in the UK - I regularly submit stuff I capture on my helmet camera.

wow you must have a lot of time on your hands, or no job. I mean I see lots of crappy driving but I literally cba to download, trim, etc to report to police who probably do FA anyway
 
Anecdotal experience: If you mess with your phone while driving, I think you're a really ****** driver. I've never seen someone do it and not **** up something. They're either reacting too slowly to traffic, missing green lights (sometimes by an entire cycle), and swerving around in their lanes.

Like, I've seen it thousands of times. If I see someone driving erratically, 100% of the time they're messing around with their phone.

What the hell does your in-car nav unit or GPS have to do with it? That should be illegal too. Unfortunately some cars are stupid and have no physical AC controls. That should be illegal too! Maybe if physical controls were mandated we wouldn't have stupid **** like the Tesla Model 3's touchscreen-only setup. You have to **** with the screen to change the windshield wiper speed ffs.

Subaru even has a feature in their adaptive cruise system to beep at you if you're stopped and it's been a moment since the car in front of you left. To remind you to stop screwing with your phone. Can you imagine?
 
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Yet as terrible as the government is, you still managed to be wrong.
That might be your opinion but I only deal in facts. Point is that this legislation won't cover self-driving cars. Yet again the useless brit government is behind the curve with their draconian attempts to dumb down and subjugate the brit public all the more.

Yes, I do have a brit drivers license.
 
Anecdotal experience: If you mess with your phone while driving, I think you're a really ****** driver. I've never seen someone do it and not **** up something. They're either reacting too slowly to traffic, missing green lights (sometimes by an entire cycle), and swerving around in their lanes.
The real issue with driving in the UK is two fold. First, there are traffic circles everywhere which means you're cranking down the gears to enter yet another one. They're everywhere - I counted 53 driving to Gatwick Airport back when it wasn't an empty field. Fifty three. Second, brit roads are not wide open and they attempt to cram you into the smallest space possible on the 'legal' road. Whether that's ghost islands or real ones which should be, there's zero space for error or recovery. England could learn a thing or two from America about how to properly do roads and driving.
 
I lost a very good pal due to someone pissing about on their phone back in November 2007. He was killed instantly after suffering massive head trauma. He was a great lad and a superb musician, just married, just got a new house and a new job. It all ended for him far too early due to the ignorance and selfishness of some stupid cow using her phone.

For me, people using mobile phones whilst driving should be banned from driving for at least 1 year. People responsible for the death of another human being, whilst pissing about on their phone should be treated as murderers and banned from driving for life.
 
The real issue with driving in the UK is two fold. First, there are traffic circles everywhere which means you're cranking down the gears to enter yet another one. They're everywhere - I counted 53 driving to Gatwick Airport back when it wasn't an empty field. Fifty three. Second, brit roads are not wide open and they attempt to cram you into the smallest space possible on the 'legal' road. Whether that's ghost islands or real ones which should be, there's zero space for error or recovery. England could learn a thing or two from America about how to properly do roads and driving.
Britain’s roads have been around for a lot longer than the US in its present form has even existed. Easy to suggest what you suggest when many of your cities and roadways are built from the ground up with cars in mind.

Edit- Re roundabouts, we just know how to use them. There’s no problem with them at all. In fact hugely preferable to traffic lights in most situations.

Edit number 2- if you do in fact ‘only deal in facts’ like you bragged in an earlier post, you would know that in 2016, per 100,000 pop, the US had 12 fatalities and the UK had 3. So I doubt we really need to learn anything from US driving methods or road safety.
 
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It's not aimed at you personally. It's aimed at the stupid government your country have in power who are incompetent and useless. This is a prime example.

Well, state that then. But I agree our currently government is moronic. Much like your president and his government.

But the decision to ban mobile phone usage is probably one of their smartest moves.

Finally, learn not to generalise. It’s offensive and xenophobic.
 
dealing with anything interactive while on the road should be illegal including touch screen devices, I don't want to die because someone decided to scroll through is Spotify list on an Android screen. This is a reason why I prefer physical buttons, you don't have to take your eyes off the road you know their location.

In fact, a lot of controls can be on the steering wheel itself.
 
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