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Why is it that just about every non-apple laptop looks like it was ordered from ikea and bolted together? :confused: :eek:

As opposed to the overweight Apple Barbiebook of the same vintage you mean? Ikea vs Mattel - Hmmm. Tough choice, maybe.

I have a Sony G11 and a TZ180 at the moment as my ultralights. Both hit the scales at below 1.5kg (the G11 being 1.1 - i.e. half the weight of the 12" Powerbook) and are actually built well and can take a few knocks without crumbling, unlike the Macbook Pro for example. The G11 manages around 8 hours genuine (genuine, meaning what you actually get and not what Apples tells you) runtime under battery saving, while the TZ manages about an hour less.

I know Apple right now doesn't have much hope of matching these in terms of build quality and general attributes, but I'd like something that comes close. Right now there is no compelling reason for me to buy the Macbook other than as a more disposable unit, as it's essentially the same weight as the 15" MBP and has roughly the same battery life. Something notably lighter and compact with a longer runtime would be nice.
 
As a potential Logic Studio user, I'd definitely like something that I can grab and take on the road to have with me at all times, and I'm fine with most of the suggestions listed.

While I'd love to have a SSD hard drive, when Logic Studio takes 40+ GB to install completely...

Sorry, but Logic Studio users are so far from the target market for this device that your post made me smile.

The ultra-portable (especially since it sounds like this isn't going to be an ultra-portable, but a rebirth of the full-sized 12" PowerBook) is geared for executives and professionals who want email and application access on the road, without needing a rollerbag for the laptop. (Shlep a 15" or 17" MBP with power brick, dongles and whatnot between terminals at ORD/DFW/LAX or whereever - you'll wish for rollers.)

It will have a relatively slow low voltage CPU for longer battery life - not so great for Logic or Photoshop or the other video editing apps.

On the other hand, you can always pick up a 1.8" USB powered drive like the Apricorn Mini or an Ipod Classic for those times where extra storage is needed.
 
  • 13" LED WideScreen
  • 2.2/2.4 C2D Processor
  • Whatever Video card above X3100 integrated but Below 8600M
  • 2x1gb Ram
  • 160gb NORMAL 5400rpm HD
  • New keyboard that is available in macbook/wireless desktop kb
  • Regular touchpad
  • Optical drive- who knows.
  • ~4lbs
  • $1799


Say what you will about SD, but I'm thinking something like this:

  • 13" LED WideScreen
  • 2.4 C2D Processor
  • Whatever Video card above X3100 integrated but Below 8600M
  • 1GB Ram
  • 32GB SD
  • New keyboard that is available in macbook
  • Regular touchpad
  • NO Optical drive
  • ~3lbs
  • $2499
 
Say what you will about SD, but I'm thinking something like this:

  • 13" LED WideScreen
  • 2.4 C2D Processor
  • Whatever Video card above X3100 integrated but Below 8600M
  • 1GB Ram
  • 32GB SD
  • New keyboard that is available in macbook
  • Regular touchpad
  • NO Optical drive
  • ~3lbs
  • $2499

What I anticipate:

  • 13" LED WideScreen
  • 2.2 C2D Processor
  • X3100 integrated
  • 1GB Ram
  • 64 GB SD
  • New keyboard that is available in macbook
  • Regular touchpad, perhaps with added gestures, funky visuals
  • NO Optical drive
  • ~3lbs
  • $1999
 
Ultra-Portable Mac Expected at Macworld Expo 2008

Unspeaked says:

Say what you will about SD, but I'm thinking something like this:
13" LED WideScreen
2.4 C2D Processor
Whatever Video card above X3100 integrated but Below 8600M
1GB Ram
32GB SD
New keyboard that is available in macbook
Regular touchpad
NO Optical drive
~3lbs
$2499

Taking this not as a rumor, but as a, one of many logical choices, I'd have to say Unspeaked's view is very similar in my thinking, with a couple of exceptions.

One there being an option to increase RAM to 2GB, this memory will be wired in, and I'll have to pay Apple $$$ for it.

Agree on the dvd drive, time has come and gone, remember the outcry, very emotional when the floppy was dropped?

And an option for 64GB SD.
 
Pricing this computer above what a final generation 12" PowerBook used to cost is insane. Anyone predicting anything above what a MacBook costs without superfantastic features included should be forced to pay double when they go to buy one of these.
 
Taking this not as a rumor, but as a, one of many logical choices, I'd have to say Unspeaked's view is very similar in my thinking, with a couple of exceptions.

One there being an option to increase RAM to 2GB, this memory will be wired in, and I'll have to pay Apple $$$ for it.

Agree on the dvd drive, time has come and gone, remember the outcry, very emotional when the floppy was dropped?

And an option for 64GB SD.


I'm with you on this, actually.

I was thinking 1/32 as the entry level and 2/64 as the high end, costing around $500 more.



Pricing this computer above what a final generation 12" PowerBook used to cost is insane. Anyone predicting anything above what a MacBook costs without superfantastic features included should be forced to pay double when they go to buy one of these.

But this is far from the 12" PB.

We're talking LED screens and SD drives, plus a 13" display. Those alone could account for an extra $1,000 in MSRP.

Look at what even the Sony machines in this spec range cost.

The 12" PB (a pro model) always cost more than the iBook (a consumer model); why would this ultra portable (a pro model) suddenly cost less than the MacBook (a consumer model)?
 
Sorry, but Logic Studio users are so far from the target market for this device that your post made me smile.

The ultra-portable (especially since it sounds like this isn't going to be an ultra-portable, but a rebirth of the full-sized 12" PowerBook) is geared for executives and professionals who want email and application access on the road, without needing a rollerbag for the laptop. (Shlep a 15" or 17" MBP with power brick, dongles and whatnot between terminals at ORD/DFW/LAX or whereever - you'll wish for rollers.)

It will have a relatively slow low voltage CPU for longer battery life - not so great for Logic or Photoshop or the other video editing apps.

On the other hand, you can always pick up a 1.8" USB powered drive like the Apricorn Mini or an Ipod Classic for those times where extra storage is needed.


Totally agree with you that I'm definitely not the target market, though I just think that the lack of hard disk space would prevent a large market segment from even considering the device. I know that I'm pointing out the obvious and that you can't make a machine for everyone, but in my opinion, a SSD is not something that's so great that I'd go from a 160 GB drive to a 32 GB drive and think "hey, this is just great!" Sure, I understand your advice about an external drive, but that's just one more thing to worry about.

Again, just my opinion on the subject. I really doubt that when I'm moving my music gear, my body can tell the difference between 200 and 202 lbs :), but I'd still love the option to choose (if the ultraportable would be reasonalby powerful enough for basic Logic tasks).
 
The ultra-portable (especially since it sounds like this isn't going to be an ultra-portable, but a rebirth of the full-sized 12" PowerBook) is geared for executives and professionals who want email and application access on the road, without needing a rollerbag for the laptop. (Shlep a 15" or 17" MBP with power brick, dongles and whatnot between terminals at ORD/DFW/LAX or whereever - you'll wish for rollers.)

I still don't understand why the 12" Powerbook was less of a shlep. Relatively speaking it was a brick. I was going to buy one off the Marketplace here to see if it would be any more portable than the current machines, almost went ahead with it but fell through for some reason - and realised I was very lucky when I checked the specs more carefully.
 
Pricing this computer above what a final generation 12" PowerBook used to cost is insane. Anyone predicting anything above what a MacBook costs without superfantastic features included should be forced to pay double when they go to buy one of these.

Predicting is not the same thing as wishing....

It depends on what one considers "superfantastic." If the rumors are right, then it will be thinner, weigh 2 pounds less, and have an LED screen 1-1/3" larger than the much-lamented 12" PB. The price estimates also assume there will be some kind of SSD, which are much more expensive than standard HDs. Plus, it's going to be the new shiny. :D

Ultimately, it'll be priced at what Apple thinks the market can bear. If you don't like, you don't have to buy. Econ 101, baby.
 
just today figured 13" would be the size they choose

As the successor to the 12" powerbook, i calculated that 13" wide is just about the same area as a 12" normal, which is a minimum for comfortable reading and working - i do hope there will be a matte option

Then the keyboard will also be having the same size, while cutting the edges off the screen, plus removing the drive will eventually give a 3 pound notebook (or less if they also use less metal)

Allready having the screen production line makes it easier to handle one more model, which also makes it absolutely logical to have the same graphics as the macbook, keeping costs, heat and batterylife in check.

I am absolutely ready to get one of these, as i allready am working on the pc equivalent (lg tx express) yet suffer from the virus called windows, and avoid supporting vista, advising people to aquire macs instead now




it's about time. though . . . 13"? why not 12"?! "subnotebook" should be smaller than the current 13" macbook IMHO
 
I can't see how this will be 3 lb. w/ a 13" screen.

A MacBook weighs 5.1 lb.

A SSD is about half the weight of a traditional 2.5" hard drive (0.25-0.3 lb.)

This notebook optical drive weighs 0.85 lb.:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834996055

So dropping the optical drive and using a SSD saves about a pound.

How is Apple going to cut another pound?

Take it off the battery and kill runtime? (only average with the current Macbook battery)

If the rumors are right, then it will be thinner, weigh 2 pounds less
 
I can't see how this will be 3 lb. w/ a 13" screen.

A MacBook weighs 5.1 lb.

A SSD is about half the weight of a traditional 2.5" hard drive (0.25-0.3 lb.)

This notebook optical drive weighs 0.85 lb.:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834996055

So dropping the optical drive and using a SSD saves about a pound.

How is Apple going to cut another pound?

Take it off the battery and kill runtime? (only average with the current Macbook battery)

They're not, and you absolutely spot on with your assessment. Apple will not release a powerful yet 3lb laptop. These are just more of the wild fantasies, such as the SSD drive.

And to the poster above who wrote a price tag of $2499 with only 1gb of ram? That must be a joke right. High price for less than 60gb of storage will not happen in a mass produced consumer computer by Apple EVER.

Once the tech is there for more GB, then maybe, but that storage space is too far of a step back to by.
 
  • 13" LED WideScreen
  • 2.2/2.4 C2D Processor
  • Whatever Video card above X3100 integrated but Below 8600M
  • 2x1gb Ram
  • 160gb NORMAL 5400rpm HD
  • New keyboard that is available in macbook/wireless desktop kb
  • Regular touchpad
  • Optical drive- who knows.
  • ~4lbs
  • $1799

Should this actually come out, which I still have my doubts, it will just be a smaller MBP. That will be a revolution in itself to have a small form factor with decent power. Its going to be a trimmed up slightly beefed up macbook.

There is no flip and dab touchpad or touch keyboard or anything else ludicrous.

These dreams of flash drives are seriously ridiculous. They are not going to show up. I guarantee it right now. Everyone needs to quit thinking about it.

32gb for $500 is beyond being marketable to anyone but the most hardcore, and that is not who Apple is going for anymore. Their rising marketshare means they are trying to make sure they have just enough to make everyone happen and still let the newcomers/middle tier users get their fingers wet too.

  • 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo (BTO 1.8GHz C2D Low Voltage)
  • 128MB nVidia 8400m GS
  • 13.3'' 1280x800 MATTE LED backlit display
  • 160GB 5400rpm OR 32/64GB SSD
  • 2GB Ram

I'd love for them to give an option for the low voltage Core 2 Duo. With that and an SSD you'd be able to get 6 solid hours of battery life.

Also, none of this multitouch crap. It's not just practical yet. I just want a small normal laptop that I can throw in my bag and not notice it's there, so I can use it to take notes in lecture, etc.
 
I can't see how this will be 3 lb. w/ a 13" screen.

A MacBook weighs 5.1 lb.

A SSD is about half the weight of a traditional 2.5" hard drive (0.25-0.3 lb.)

This notebook optical drive weighs 0.85 lb.:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834996055

So dropping the optical drive and using a SSD saves about a pound.

How is Apple going to cut another pound?

Take it off the battery and kill runtime? (only average with the current Macbook battery)

I'm not an engineer (nor do I play one on TV), but I can guess that since it will be thinner, there will be less metal overall. From what I've heard, both the SSD and LED screen run cooler than their current counterparts, they will probably be able to reduce materials (used for heat shielding purposes) even further. And I've also heard that these components use less energy, thus allowing for a smaller battery. There are probably other economies Apple has picked up in the past couple of years or however long it's been since their last total notebook redesign. (Computer experts, feel free to correct any of my misapprehensions.)
 
I've always wanted a mac with out a cd/dvd drive, but I just can't imagine not having a hard drive. Basically I need my full music library on me and having just 32 to 64 sd ram blows. Yeah I know external hard drive but thats just one more thing I'd have to lug around and not gonna happen. Other than that this new mac sounds like just what I've been waiting for. I have a awful computer that barely runs vista and never owned a mac so I'm looking to get out of the dark side, so to speak...ha
 
if they take out the optical drive it will leave space for another 2.5" drive meaning 2x64gb= 128gb, which is a fair size, but then i doubt it will be much smaller than the current macbooks, also it would be very expensive.

I think i might be able to squeeze all my stuff onto 64gb if i put movies, music and photos on an external drive. which is no problem because i dont need them to be portable.

I would like FW800 on it though if im using my external drive.

Looking at specs i would think similar to the Toshiba Portege R500-S500.
Core 2 Duo U7600 / 1.2 GHz
RAM 2 GB
HDD 64 GB SSD
DVD RW / DVD-RAM
GMA 950
Gigabit Ethernet
Bluetooth 2.0 EDR
802.11 a/b/g/n (draft)
12.1" Widescreen
$2900

But that is more expensive than a 17" MBP, there is no way they would do that.
 
But that is more expensive than a 17" MBP, there is no way they would do that.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a price that's higher than the MBP.

These are by and large machines used by executives and professionals, charged to the company expense account.

Small has always been expensive, Apple has always been expensive - you'd expect a small Apple to be very expensive. :D
 
Totally agree with you that I'm definitely not the target market, though I just think that the lack of hard disk space would prevent a large market segment from even considering the device.


Ultraportables as general are not for "large market segments".
They are specialiced products for professionals that crave the benefits of UPs. Or wealthy affecionados that have the neccessary funds.
They are or wont be (for the foreseeable future) a massmarket product.
Macbook is that.
Those who need the product are not in need for huge amounts of HDD space either. The UPs are catered,say, for businessmen doing their presentations to clients (PDFs,powerpoints,small amounts of low-res pics,small videoclips etc..) ,musicians using the comp for very,very light setups, photographers using it for proofing on outdoor location shootings etc..
The heavy duty users,videographers and stage musicians would have the larger MBPs for their stuff with their benefits.




I'm with you on this, actually.

Me too. Sensible prediction.
I like.

i ahve a question about the hard drive


if they can fit 80 gigs in an iPod, why can't they just use one of those in the "ultra portable"?

Those HDDs are slow (spinning/transfer speeds) and are made for "sometimes read,almost never write" type of stuff that the ipods need.
They would be next to abysmal in performance in the laptops.



TThese are just more of the wild fantasies, such as the SSD drive.

And to the poster above who wrote a price tag of $2499 with only 1gb of ram? That must be a joke right. High price for less than 60gb of storage will not happen in a mass produced consumer computer by Apple EVER.

As stated above,it will not be a "mass produced consumer computer", it will be a prosumer/pro-puter and will be placed in the MacBookPro category. And the SSD drive suddenly makes sense.

i really hope apple will come out with something lighter and thinner!!
and, MORE AFFORDABLE!! :p

Lighter,thinner and MORE affordable are almost never in the same sentence.
The lighter/tinner is a market area where the companies charge extra because it is a speciality product and harder to manufacture. Be it in sports clothing or sailboats.
The only place what I can think of where Light is cheaper is in beers.



I've always wanted a mac with out a cd/dvd drive, but I just can't imagine not having a hard drive. Basically I need my full music library on me and having just 32 to 64 sd ram blows.

Well,you have a hard drive. Not as spacious as before,but with other great benefits. You obviously are the least optimal client for the MBP Nano.
You propably are searching for a efficient,dedicated GPU laptop that can store your personal life.
A "all-eggs-in-the-same-basket" kind of guy,to put it.
For you there is MB and MBP.

The people that MBP Nano is aimed at allready has several computers. They are powerusers that buy that Nano for their special purpose.

For me it will be photography.
I allready have 4 other macs, all for different purposes.
My present 12" iBook has travelled around the world for few times and it is getting a bit too banged up. Tried the new macbook but that just didnt cut it because of the large size.
Now i am dire need of a UP. Pity that apple hasnt bothered to release one,let alone a successor for the 12" iBook/power book lineup.
The popularity is obvious.

On this side of the pond, you have to pay allmost the same for old 12" powerbooks that you have to pay for macbooks...:eek:
The people who need the portability,are willing to pay it.
Imagine.
 
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