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Oh my, are we still living in the 1700-1800's? Do you think that just because some people don't have working ears, their vocal cords don't work either? Get with the times, that term is antiquated, and considered offensive by deaf people.

Please don't use that phrase again, thank you. Just "deaf" works for me. :D

wow that is insane. he said deaf-mute. what's offensive about that? political correctness has gone to far, it's offensive to me that people have to scrutinize what they say. it's amazing that being PC is touted by the same people that say smile on your brother

let it go... you'll be happier yourself
 
I've have a 'desktop replacement' 15" Powerbooksas a main machine and unless you're hooked up to a big screen it's always a bit cramped and I often still want a proper keyboard and mouse. When you are using it as a portable, well, it's a bit big and heavy.

For my next upgrade I'd prefer a Mac Pro. I'd still want a portable, but then the priority would be small size and good battery life not trying to outgun a big desktop. A lower-clocked cool running Core Duo would be ideal.

Apple still make nice latops but I think they need to pull out something groundbreaking to reclaim their crown and make the Windows crowd weep.
 
bigger screen

it is just a iphone with a bigger screen...
it is a laptop that turns into a radio head unit with GPS... =)
it is also a floor cleaner and a dessert topping !!!
 
What ever made you think that you have the right to tell someone what they can or can not say ? Get over yourself buddy. Politically correct is just a mater of opinion.

Well, it's because when someone talks like that, they are using an outdated and offensive term to people like myself. Would you say the same thing you just told me, to an African-American who objected to the use of the N-word? I think not. It's not being politically correct, and it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of respect.

Thanks.
 
Oh my, are we still living in the 1700-1800's? Do you think that just because some people don't have working ears, their vocal cords don't work either? Get with the times, that term is antiquated, and considered offensive by deaf people.

Please don't use that phrase again, thank you. Just "deaf" works for me. :D

Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just referring to the group of people that use the sign language when communicating with each other because they don't really have a choice. I'm aware the vocals chords of deaf (I looked it up, it's PC...) people are fine. It's more convenient for them to talk sign language to each other.

It's usually hard to understand someone who has been deaf since birth because s/he never had a chance to hear what spoken language sounds like. But you get used to it and they can read your lips pretty well. This is the group of people I was referring to. If you only say 'deaf', it could also refer to someone who blew out his/her eardrums. Those people talk pretty normally.

PS: I usually don't give a * for politically correctness myself. What's so wrong about referring to people based on their skin color? That's in no way offensive. If the word has become a swearword over decades, it's okay to avoid using it. But just because people don't like being called like this shouldn't matter.
 
Well, it's because when someone talks like that, they are using an outdated and offensive term to people like myself. Would you say the same thing you just told me, to an African-American who objected to the use of the N-word? I think not. It's not being politically correct, and it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of respect.
Thanks.

Since when are words outdated? Burning witches is outdated (at least in most places) but words? Is there a list somewhere with the politically incorrect words on the net? African-Americans use the N-word all the time... I feel discriminated because I can't say it. :p


Back to the topic:

Touchscreens don't work for laptops. I'd rather see a Mac tablet than a 12" laptop with a touch screen. The space saved by omitting the keyboard and the display hinge isn't bad at all. Only problem: LCDs don't like heat, the one on my Macbook has kinda lost its glue in one corner because the computer was getting too hot once... Now it's brighter in the corner. Imagine a display going right over the heatpipes...
 
The upcoming Apple notebook is said to feature a 12" display, 0.6-0.7 inches thick, and weigh less than 3 pounds.

Just like Columbus, we're celebrating Apple's discovery of something millions of people already know about :). The Thinkpad X61 features a 12" display, 0.8 inches thick, and weighs 2.7 pounds.

Well, if they can shave 0.1 - 0.2 inches off the thickness of an X61, that's not too bad even if it's not as groundbreaking as they present it.
 
wow that is insane. he said deaf-mute. what's offensive about that? political correctness has gone to far, it's offensive to me that people have to scrutinize what they say. it's amazing that being PC is touted by the same people that say smile on your brother

let it go... you'll be happier yourself

It's not insane. It's asking people not to use a term that promotes an incorrect image of deaf people. I happen to be deaf myself. I am NOT mute. I can communicate just fine. My vocal cords work just fine. Other deaf people are able to talk just fine. There's even an entire branch of deaf education that focuses on teaching them to communicate only by talking ("oralism") just like everyone else.

I'm not asking everyone to be politically correct for correctness' sake. I'm just asking people who happen to use an antiquated term to correct their description and not propagate a false stereotype of deaf people, thats all.

There's no excuse for insensitivity, especially when a member of that affected group asks that a certain term not be used anymore, because it does not describe that group in a positive and non-misleading manner.

Thanks!
 
Just like Columbus, we're celebrating Apple's discovery of something millions of people already know about :). The Thinkpad X61 features a 12" display, 0.8 inches thick, and weighs 2.7 pounds.

Well, if they can shave 0.1 - 0.2 inches off the thickness of an X61, that's not too bad even if it's not as groundbreaking as they present it.

If I could run OSX on that I'd be all over it like a rash.

I like Apple hardware but it's the OS I'm after.
 
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just referring to the group of people that use the sign language when communicating with each other because they don't really have a choice. I'm aware the vocals chords of deaf (I looked it up, it's PC...) people are fine. It's more convenient for them to talk sign language to each other.

It's usually hard to understand someone who has been deaf since birth because s/he never had a chance to hear what spoken language sounds like. But you get used to it and they can read your lips pretty well. This is the group of people I was referring to. If you only say 'deaf', it could also refer to someone who blew out his/her eardrums. Those people talk pretty normally.

PS: I usually don't give a * for politically correctness myself. What's so wrong about referring to people based on their skin color? That's in no way offensive. If the word has become a swearword over decades, it's okay to avoid using it. But just because people don't like being called like this shouldn't matter.

No problem. Apology accepted. If you want to make the distinction, you can always say deaf people who use sign language. There's still no need to use the word "mute" when referring to deaf people in general, unless they actually are missing vocal cords, and refer to themselves as mute. It carries a stigma and implied inability to communicate at all.

Talking to each other in sign language isn't convenient, it's necessary for some of us deaf people. ;)
 
No problem. Apology accepted. If you want to make the distinction, you can always say deaf people who use sign language. There's still no need to use the word "mute" when referring to deaf people in general, unless they actually are missing vocal cords, and refer to themselves as mute. It carries a stigma and implied inability to communicate at all.

Talking to each other in sign language isn't convenient, it's necessary for some of us deaf people. ;)

Thanks for the enlightment. I'll remember it. I just heard that sign language can be more efficient than spoken word. Too bad sign language isn't the same across the world. Well, I guess that's what english is for. ;)
 
alright you two already kissed and made up, now quit the useless banter that is filling up this thread and lets bring this back on point please.
 
It's not insane. It's asking people not to use a term that promotes an incorrect image of deaf people. I happen to be deaf myself. I am NOT mute. I can communicate just fine. My vocal cords work just fine. Other deaf people are able to talk just fine. There's even an entire branch of deaf education that focuses on teaching them to communicate only by talking ("oralism") just like everyone else.

I'm not asking everyone to be politically correct for correctness' sake. I'm just asking people who happen to use an antiquated term to correct their description and not propagate a false stereotype of deaf people, thats all.

There's no excuse for insensitivity, especially when a member of that affected group asks that a certain term not be used anymore, because it does not describe that group in a positive and non-misleading manner.

Thanks!


how is deaf-mute have negative connotation? deaf-mute with a hyphen as was placed can be just a range of communication barriers. no one ever deliberately attacked anyone, taking it as an attack is the first form of ignorance.. i have nothing against you, I'm just sick of the word police
 
I'm sorry, but is Apple the first (supposedly by the way) to market an ultra-portable laptop?

iPod/iPhone -- no doubt, because they were the first (well, with iPod the first to really make it work well) :)

I didn't say Apple would be the first with an UP, just that their implementation would likely be "revolutionary." Were they the first to come out with a mobile phone? No ... but then again, I needn't go any further to rest my case :rolleyes:
 
PC hinge

If you want to see almost exactly what you are going to get with only some slight modifications, Intel has already given you a giant hint.

Compare the specifications listed by MacScoop and those set out in the intel prototype. Then look at the design and its distinctively Mac (sans the OS displayed). Watch and you will see this morph into your new ultra light, portable notebook. Below is just one of the images to whet the appetite.
Look at the way the screen is attached. Apple has not used that style hinge since the Ti Book and I doubt they will go back to it.
I would love to have an ultra portable MacBook to replace my 12: Power Book. The Black MacBook I bought to replace it would be on e-bay in the morning if Apple came out with another ultra portable like the 12" PB.
 
A even more radically approach would be to introduce some kind of sign language. Deaf people have it and communication works pretty well with it; They can communicate as fast as talking people.

You basically lay out whole words with one gesture. Using Huffman coding (short, simple gestures for often used wirds, longer, complicated ones for rarely used terms). The computer can assist with error correction and grammar.

I agree this type of input has a greater learning curve but more and more of our communication goes through computers. We learned to talk to people when we were young, why not learn to 'talk' to a computer while we're at it? Besides, sign language is taught at a lot to babys in the US because it's easier for the parents to understand a gesture than some baby-babbling. In the long run, this type of input can get considerably faster than typing or even talking. The cool thing is that a computer can assist you in so many ways, once it understands what you mean, which should happen before the year 2040 according to Ray Kurzweil.

Um... no. ASL (American Sign Language) isn't just gestures substituted for English words, it's an actual language, with its own grammar, vocabulary, etc., which bear no relation whatsoever to those of English. It would be like having to learn Japanese just to interact with your computer. Most people have a very hard time learning languages after early childhood. And, for that matter, how would the input even work? Through the iSight? That means solving computer vision, too, which we're nowhere close to doing.

Eventually, we will be able to communicate with computers in natural language, but it's a lot more likely that it will be in our native languages. And it may require strong AI before it happens; natural language processing has so far consistently been unable to bridge the gap between getting a reasonable amount of stuff right with a lot of errors and getting human levels of comprehension. (Not that human levels of comprehension are that good -- think of the frequency with which you mishear something or have to repeat yourself in the course of an ordinary conversation. Now imagine that interacting with your computer is like that. There are advantages to limiting the input to digital modes; they make it much easier to verify that you're telling the computer what you intend to.)
 
I think we cleared up the deaf thing so can we keep this on topic please?

Look at the way the screen is attached. Apple has not used that style hinge since the Ti Book and I doubt they will go back to it.
I would love to have an ultra portable MacBook to replace my 12: Power Book. The Black MacBook I bought to replace it would be on e-bay in the morning if Apple came out with another ultra portable like the 12" PB.


I don't think anyone is suggesting it's that device but in principle Intel seem to be on board with the approach Apple might take.

btw. I'm in the exact same position with this blackbook (had two 12" pbooks before it and miss the nice form factor).
 
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