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"UN" Decrys Powerbook Eugenist Yamadataro's slander...

Most of your points focus on esoteric issues, which are valid concerns as well as performance issues.

Websters defines "Paint" as: A liquid mixture, usually of a solid pigment in a liquid vehicle, used as a decorative or protective coating.

Given this definition it appears that the paint on your Titanium has functioned perfectly Yamadataro. It has both made your Powerbook look impressive, and protected it's surface (evidenced by the chipping that happened when you banged your Powerbook agains hard objects).

As you can see from many Powerbook owner's opinions, we are completely satisfied that Apple Computer Inc. has made the paint on the new Titanium Powerbooks to a very high quality that satifies its sensible customers, and certainly that the Titanium Powerbook is superior to PC portables in every way that matters.

That said, yours is a good post Yamadataro which demonstrates a single Powerbook owners concerns. It is interesting to see other personalities speak to perceptions of their high end Apple Products, and certainly the responders to your original post above have done their best to provide solice for a what appears to be a difficult situation for you. You describe yourself as a "hardcord industry guy", but don't let the fact you work with industrial products lead you to be confused about the fact you are dealing with a very high level of technological achievement in the Powerbook, that bears no resemblence to the industrial products you use. A Powerbook is not a beam of steel, or singlular minded computer control system for an assembly line (although you could probably control an entire factory from one).

You said you use a case. But that is not why you are getting chips on your Powerbook. There is a serious level of goal incongruancy between your handling of your Powerbook (imperfect) and the desired outcome you desire for it's appearance (pristine). If you want it to have no chips, take greater care with it. The same caution applies to trying to find a happy medium between how you treat your iPod and the way it looks as well. I empathize with your concerns, but expect entropy to be a Physical Law that no Industrial Designer or Company can violate.

Your worries about the Powerbook are like complaining you have a scar from careless behavior on your body, or that your hair is getting grey. Good worries to be sure - mostly because they make us take better care of ourselves.

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Re: "UN" Decrys Powerbook Eugenist Yamadataro's slander...

Originally posted by BenderBot1138
Websters defines "Paint" as: A liquid mixture, usually of a solid pigment in a liquid vehicle, used as a decorative or protective coating.
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Hey BenderBot, why not post this annoying message a fourth time? You've edited it enough times to confim how anal you are. Try harder next time.
 
Re: Re: "UN" Decrys Powerbook Eugenist Yamadataro's slander...

Originally posted by cr2sh


Hey BenderBot, why not post this annoying message a fourth time? You've edited it enough times to confim how anal you are. Try harder next time.

Sorry cr2sh... already asked moderator to remove the duplicates. Didn't mean to affect your sensibilities... will remail the moderator...

Also sorry for your "anal" fixation, but surely you can focus your attention on more easy going things, without associating everything in your life with your bodily orifaces. :D

I'd be interested to hear what you have to say cr2sh about the actual posts on this thread rather than the format of the threads such as my mistaken reposting. I've read and liked some of your previous postings... although they do seem to be inordinately focussed on "anal" issues... ;) (btw... thought your suggestion about a softshell or sleeve for the Powerbook was interesting... know where to get one?).

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Re: Re: Re: "UN" Decrys Powerbook Eugenist Yamadataro's slander...

Originally posted by BenderBot1138
I'd be interested to hear what you have to say cr2sh about the actual posts on this thread rather than the format of the threads such as my mistaken reposting. I've read and liked some of your previous postings... although they do seem to be inordinately focussed on "anal" issues... ;) (btw... thought your suggestion about a softshell or sleeve for the Powerbook was interesting... know where to get one?).

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Wow, you love to edit don't you?
I'm not going to dismiss a poorly thought out design as entropy.
 
LOL...

yea... editor at heart... anything and everything... just call me Supereditor! The reposts happend during the server update this morning. My bad...

Good one about the entropy ;)

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I'll take a swing...

I'll reply, BenderBot. You don't know what you're talking about.

You make assumptions about why yamadataro's TiBook's paint is flaking. You assume that his is exactly as durable as yours. This appears not to be the case. Hundreds upin hundreds (including myself) of people have registered the exact same complaint. I have never dropped by TiBook, yet its paint has chipped a lot.

I am thoroughly enamored with my TiBook. There is not another another computer I wish I had bought. AND it has some problems with the paint that are due to manufacturing.

People make car analogies here all the time. Imagine if your brand new BMW had paint chipping after 6 months, and the response of people was, "So what! It still works, right?" Sounds pretty stupid, right? Even if 90% of the computers were manufactured correctly (and it's probably much lower than that, in reality), the 10% of people who received computers with poorly manufactured plastic pieces have a legitimate beef, and the 90% will not understand. Those among them who are quick to jump to conclusions will make assumptions about how it happened without asking questions.

Like you did.

So anyway, I am glad you don't have the chipping paint problem. However, slow yourself down and ask some questions before offering that sage wisdom.

Chris

p.s., "esoteric" means (roughly) "mysterious" or "poorly understood". You probably meant "aesthetic" or "superficial".
 
I noticed some smudge/dirt on my TiPB, on the inside edge to the left of the keyboard - I went to scrape it away and was horrified to see paint flick away. It wasn't a smudge, but an absence of paint!!!

I baby my machine, Apple just needs to get better quality paint and make the process more reliable.

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Re: I'll take a swing...

Originally posted by chmorley
I'll reply, BenderBot. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Chris

p.s., "esoteric" means (roughly) "mysterious" or "poorly understood". You probably meant "aesthetic" or "superficial".

Ouch...

Interesting you read the esoteric thing as a conflicting polarizing word. The other meaning, which is positive and affirmative of Yamatagaro's concern's means is "confined to a small group."

Aesthetic and superficial would have spun a negative spin onto our Yam's concerns, that I would not have intended.

His esoteric issues, while confined to a small group, nevertheless do exist. As do your esoteric, but growing, concerns.

You said you are "throroughly enamored with your Powerbook"... are you sure you didn't mean enamelled? ;)

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I'm on my second TiBook...and all I can say is that I've been more than impressed . My first was a Rev. A 500, and my current is a Rev. B 667, which I believe is the same as Duke's?

I hope not to encounter the chipping paint syndrome which I've read has plaguesd many others...but know I'll be talking about it here if I do... ;)
 
Re: Re: I'll take a swing...

Originally posted by BenderBot1138
Interesting you read the esoteric thing as a conflicting polarizing word. The other meaning, which is positive and affirmative of Yamatagaro's concern's means is "confined to a small group."
Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps the root of my misunderstanding stemmed from the rather pervasive nature of the complaint--it's akin to calling conservativism esoteric.

This is a significant problem, and has been acknowledged by Apple as such.

Chris

p.s., "enamelled"...I like it...or perhaps "disenamelated"...

continuing to lengthenize unnecessarilistically....
 
Re: Re: Re: I'll take a swing...

Originally posted by chmorley
Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps the root of my misunderstanding stemmed from the rather pervasive nature of the complaint--it's akin to calling conservativism esoteric.

This is a significant problem, and has been acknowledged by Apple as such.

Chris

Interesting... do you have a link to that acknowledgment by Apple you mention, or any statistics indicating that there are paint issues that are "pervasive".

I'm genuinely interested, and believe you wouldn't just make such statements without any evidence.

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Why don't the people with the problems demand that Apple fix the problem then??? PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

WHY? WHY? WHY? :rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: I'll take a swing...

Originally posted by BenderBot1138
Interesting... do you have a link to that acknowledgment by Apple you mention, or any statistics indicating that there are paint issues that are "pervasive".

I'm genuinely interested, and believe you wouldn't just make such statements without any evidence.
Nope. I wouldn't.

I can't imagine where you would find (or who would keep) good statistics on the percentage of people having this problem. However, at PowerPage (which specializes in portables) this has been widely discussed. Search the forums for anything on Powerbook paint and you will turn up several threads on the topic.

As far as Apple's acknowledgment of the problem (and, as a result, deciding to stop blaming responsible owners), that has also been reported at PowerPage. You can find the story here.

There are more confirmations of this elsewhere, but this is where I heard about it first.

Chris
 
Originally posted by iGAV
Why don't the people with the problems demand that Apple fix the problem then??? PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

WHY? WHY? WHY? :rolleyes:
I guess I don't understand how this would work. Is this a joke?

Chris
 
Originally posted by chmorley
I guess I don't understand how this would work. Is this a joke?

Chris

I'm referring to individual machines........ if your machine is suffering from a fault, get Apple to repair the fault, and then the problem is solved, rather than continously whining about it!! Not all PowerBooks suffer from this flackey paint syndrome, so it's likely that the problem will be solved under warranty with known problems, especially as if what's been said earlier in this thread that Apple have NO problem with repairing the fault under warranty!!

Really is quite simple!!
 
Originally posted by iGAV
I'm referring to individual machines........ if your machine is suffering from a fault, get Apple to repair the fault, and then the problem is solved, rather than continously whining about it!! Not all PowerBooks suffer from this flackey paint syndrome, so it's likely that the problem will be solved under warranty with known problems, especially as if what's been said earlier in this thread that Apple have NO problem with repairing the fault under warranty!!

Really is quite simple!!
I understand now. Unfortunately, this problem has been denied by Apple until about the last 2 weeks. That is why people have been "continuously whining" for over a year about this problem.

Read the link I posted earlier and you will understand better.

Nice exclamation points, by the way. Very dramatic.

Chris
 
Originally posted by chmorley
I understand now. Unfortunately, this problem has been denied by Apple until about the last 2 weeks. That is why people have been "continuously whining" for over a year about this problem.

Read the link I posted earlier and you will understand better.

Nice exclamation points, by the way. Very dramatic.

Chris

Heh heh I also like to use 'dots' or 'full stops' alot too!! :p
 
Originally posted by NNO-Stephen
is there a problem like this with the AlBooks? (i'm quite worried)

Nope! I have a 17in Powerbook and it still looks brand new, I got it in April. There are only like two scratches on it underneath from moving it on the table, but those aren't really noticable only in certain light. One thing about it is that it starts to look dirty from fingerprint smudges cause the powerbook has such a clean and smooth texture...but all you need to do is take a damp cloth and whipe it off.
 
I've had mine for about a year and a half and it has a few flakes, but probably because I'm taking it everywhere, using it in labs, hangars, etc. So it gets a little abused, not on purpose, but I wouldn't want anything else.....

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Originally posted by Wano
Nope! I have a 17in Powerbook and it still looks brand new, I got it in April. There are only like two scratches on it underneath from moving it on the table, but those aren't really noticable only in certain light. One thing about it is that it starts to look dirty from fingerprint smudges cause the powerbook has such a clean and smooth texture...but all you need to do is take a damp cloth and whipe it off.

nice, thank you :D
 
my friend has a powerbook g4 500mhz....and it still looks beautiful....the paint looks great....so maybe you people dont take care of your computers enough....but i dont know....maybe different computers chip worse than others
 
Originally posted by NNO-Stephen
is there a problem like this with the AlBooks? (i'm quite worried)
The aluminum powerbooks aren't painted. So, they aren't going to chip paint. I wonder if the paint chipping is one of the reasons Apple went aluminum instead of continuing to use the titanium-look.
 
My father, my friend, and I each own PowerBook G4s (each a different revision; my friend has a rev B, I have a 3rd rev PBook, and my father the latest and greatest 1Ghz model) .. and we handle our machines with nothing less than white gloves. I have the great Brenthaven backpack and not a second goes by without me ensuring that it's safe from things that could scratch it. But yet .. my friend's and mine are still flaking, scratching, etc. My father has been lucky enough to go by for 7 months without any problems. I think remarks "dont take care of your computers enough" are inappropriate assumptions on the way I take care of my computer. I think it's fair to say that some computers DO chip worse than others. (Luckily, my friend was able to get his case replaced because of the amount of bubbling and flaking his poor baby experienced. Since, I don't think he's had problems)

I think the various responses faulting the USER for the chipping paint are innappropriate for this discussion. People should realize that some machines do have this problem (even if it is a small percentage). Many of us who do have the "problem", however, search for better ways to protect the paint to the point that we're paranoid to even touch the beautiful machine. Besides the slight over-exaggeration, I take excellent care of my computer. I think it's an important issue that Apple addressed in their AluBooks and that they continue to support (by replacing some cases). The fact that they have addressed it and are willing to support it has in fact made me more secure with my Powerbook purchase and I don't find myself "whining" over the cosmetic problem.

So please, when you hear someone "whining" about the problem, instead of flaming them for abuse of their computer, try to help them realize that there are options out there (like Apple's tech support if they are under warranty!)
 
Originally posted by MacFan25
The aluminum powerbooks aren't painted. So, they aren't going to chip paint. ....

I thought the inside area, around the keyboard and trackpad, IS painted.

I suppose I ought to look at PowerPage. I'm not clear on where these chips/bubbles are occurring: on the outer case, on the lighter-colored "ring" which goes around the outside, or on the area around the keyboard/trackpad.
 
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