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How long before people realise they should just buy Apple approved chargers etc, surely if they can afford the products they can afford an extra few dollars for the correct accessories!

Or Apple could:

Stop charging absurd prices for the $1.00 (if that) cable
Stop charging absurd prices to license the cable
Use the same standard that literally every single other phone in the entire world uses.

I would say I can't believe someone is defending Apple's insane practice with these cables, but then I remember how everyone said Samsung was literally the devil for making a 5" phone and then that Apple was literally God for the rumors that they were making a 5" phone.
 
This article does not make something clear: Is it the AC to DC adaptor's fault or the USB to Lightning cable's fault? There's a big difference. I don't know why anybody would buy cheapo AC to DC adaptors, but the fake USB to Lightning cables are 1/20th the price of Apple's ripoff cables.

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Or Apple could:

Stop charging absurd prices for the $1.00 (if that) cable
Stop charging absurd prices to license the cable
Use the same standard that literally every single other phone in the entire world uses.

I would say I can't believe someone is defending Apple's insane practice with these cables, but then I remember how everyone said Samsung was literally the devil for making a 5" phone and then that Apple was literally God for the rumors that they were making a 5" phone.

Lightning is far superior to micro USB. I wouldn't want to deal with a micro USB port under my phone. Apple just needs to do the first two things you said.

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Please. I get that same warning on authentic Apple purchased cables and I've had to replace two of them. They are not as durable as the old connector.

Same here. I gave up on "licensed" cables long ago. They're worse than the fakes. The only one that really works is the one that came with my phone.
 
Another reason not to buy an iphone.

Seriously? What did you expect them to do? Come out and say "go ahead and use these third party chargers so when something happens you can come and sue us because this third party thing that we didn't even make broke my device"?

ANY legitimate company is going to warn against third party ANYTHING because it's smart to protect yourself from liability.

Ha! I have had plenty of apple cables that come with my device that have frayed and or peeled. I have the original one that came with my iphone that I don't even use because it is so frayed that it disables my usb port on my Mac.

Quality doesn't mean that accidents won't happen. It's a fact that Apple devices last longer than other devices. That's why nobody has an issue paying more for them.
 
Fud

Yes, there are a lot of off, off, off market parts for iDevices. I mean if you buy an iPhone charger for $2 of some sketchy website don't be surprised if it burns out the phone, or kills you.

However the problem here is that Apple chose to create a proprietary interface and then charge ridiculous licensing fees to use the interface, so a lot of these devices are reversed engineered with cheaper parts. Apple created this problem by being greedy and self-righteous and so now spread fear to all their consumers to buy expensive self-branded chargers because they refuse to open up the "standard" so safer 3rd party chargers can be manufactured.

If they had simply used USB, then all these issues would go away. USB is more widely and rigorously tested then, by relative standards, the spur of the moment release of a proprietary prestige port, by virtue of the fact that billions of devices are powered by USB.

Apple has two flaws they need to address. There is a flaw in their iPhone charging circuitry for not taking into consideration the dirty and chaotic voltage a 3rd party charger might provide because, hell, China simply exists and it has a slew of clone factories all waiting to reverse engineer every product ever sold and sell them back to cheap ass US and European consumers. Apple is just naive for ignoring that reality.

Apple also has a bigger flaw in their assumption that licensing a proprietary connector was the best solution to protect their customers when there are, clearly, safer and more established open standards that are just as functional as what they tried to replace.
 
Same here. I gave up on "licensed" cables long ago. They're worse than the fakes. The only one that really works is the one that came with my phone.

Indeed, the power cable we're having trouble getting to work right now on my daughter's 5C and my iPad mini, is the official Apple one.

I swear, it's beginning to look like my MacBook's MagSafe cable experience all over again. Great idea, horrible build quality at an overpriced cost.
 
Lightning cables have an authentication chip. This allows Apple to approve only authorized cables. I’m sure you can get unauthorized cables on eBay, but it still seems strange for the article to to casting doubt on third party cables when Apple is approving each one.
 
Nice try, but no. You completely missed the entire point.

You said "people do have a choice." That conflicts with your previous statement: "How long before people realise they should just buy Apple approved chargers." Do you know who certified cables? Yep, it's an Apple standard. So Apple profits either way—and that's why the prices are so absurd for a simple cable.

I don't need to read your mind to parse your illogical claim, and for the record, logic is pretty important in rocket science. What you think is common sense is anything but. Good effort at trying to dig yourself out of that hole, though.

Uh huh...:rolleyes:

Simple cable....if you say so!

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Or Apple could:

Stop charging absurd prices for the $1.00 (if that) cable
Stop charging absurd prices to license the cable
Use the same standard that literally every single other phone in the entire world uses.

I would say I can't believe someone is defending Apple's insane practice with these cables, but then I remember how everyone said Samsung was literally the devil for making a 5" phone and then that Apple was literally God for the rumors that they were making a 5" phone.

Yet another person who can apparently read my mind....this is getting tedious! I'm not defending Apple at all, I'm just saying the most appropriate thing to do is buy Apple approved accessories. As I've already stated and not entirely sure why it's so difficult to understand is everyone has a choice in life....your product purchase decisions are yours and yours alone.
 
Are you telling me that if you go on Greek, Italian, or German (etc) supermarkets you see the product wight measured by lbs?? Are you serious? And by the way, who is the rest of you who can manage just fine? Oh, I see what you did, you spoke on the name of others!! Well, speak for yourself.

Seriously, where are all these Einstein's coming from??

People in Europe do not use feet for height ? Really?

So you know metric, so therefore do you think a 6ft person is between 2 and 3 metres?
 
How long before people realise they should just buy Apple approved chargers etc, surely if they can afford the products they can afford an extra few dollars for the correct accessories!

So much for freedom of choice? It's a licensing racket. Whether or not it's ethical depends on how much money one rakes from it, I suppose. Since customers never get a say, despite being told otherwise. ;)

In this case, trying to save a couple of bucks is just not worth the risk people.

In which case, Apple can be a nice corporate citizen and not change the design and charge more all the time. It's greener for the environment as well, as are fewer product releases...

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It's not about being able to "afford" them. It's about finding it the costs absurd. Accessories are some of the highest margin products in the PC industry. I'm not interested in padding Apple's coffers on them (I do this enough with the hardware).

Your logic is faulty, because you incorrectly assume that non-Apple is inherently poor. Instead, what we're talking about here are a small fraction of non-Apple products that are problematic and the fact that consumers cannot differentiate between "quality" non-certified third-party cables versus "non-quality" ones. None of that is tantamount to an argument that consumers "should just buy Apple approved charges" as you claimed.


Especially when it's all made from off-the-shelf hardware and (mostly) open source. One would think costs would have trickled down to the customer by using these quaint shortcuts...

And based on Apple's own MacBook Pro line, since the few people in 2011 who had problems has now become far more regarding the AMD video chip problems and they're all being ignored... anyone in the technical industry would bore people to sleep with how Apple's products are designed as pretty blind and how poorly they are designed in the technical area, though the Retina models do have better cooling and more ventilation that's almost a proper design...

Nice try, but no. You completely missed the entire point.

You said "people do have a choice." That conflicts with your previous statement: "How long before people realise they should just buy Apple approved chargers." Do you know who certified cables? Yep, it's an Apple standard. So Apple profits either way—and that's why the prices are so absurd for a simple cable.

I don't need to read your mind to parse your illogical claim, and for the record, logic is pretty important in rocket science. What you think is common sense is anything but. Good effort at trying to dig yourself out of that hole, though.


Actually, in the future most jobs will be based on how well you can cajole and sell. Having a thinking brain will be obsolete... it's erroneously and laughingly called "the humanist era", as it replaced IT's "industrial age" and IT is one of a very few industries left that requires a thinking brain...
 
Yet another person who can apparently read my mind....this is getting tedious! I'm not defending Apple at all, I'm just saying the most appropriate thing to do is buy Apple approved accessories. As I've already stated and not entirely sure why it's so difficult to understand is everyone has a choice in life....your product purchase decisions are yours and yours alone.

Except it's about what you typed. Your choice of words was poor. "Mind-reading" isn't part of the equation. Communicate better and you won't have so many people blasting you.
 
Or Apple could:

Stop charging absurd prices for the $1.00 (if that) cable
Stop charging absurd prices to license the cable
Use the same standard that literally every single other phone in the entire world uses.

I would say I can't believe someone is defending Apple's insane practice with these cables, but then I remember how everyone said Samsung was literally the devil for making a 5" phone and then that Apple was literally God for the rumors that they were making a 5" phone.

Last I checked, Apple is a business. They have a right to make money on their products, and you have a right to take your money to other companies.

And find me a single person that bashed Samsung for making a 5" phone and is now praising Apple based on the rumors that there will be a 5" phone. You can't. Because the people that are most excited about Apple making a big phone are the people that either were happy or didn't mind it when Samsung started drastically increasing the size of their phones. Granted, some people didn't care about big phones. But that's not a crime.
 
Complete and utter BS. Apple blaming a crappy "chip" that fails miserably on "off brand chargers?".'

More like they are trying HARD to stop people from buying outside of Apple. And willing to break your device own purpose. They probably coded it to overheat if you use an off bread device.

// detect charge

if apple brand, continue charging.

if not, overheat and blow it up.

then LOL and blame them Chinese

// end code.
 
interesting theory..

Apples deliberately breaks your i.Device if a third party changer is used ? If only they did this on purpose to get it in the press, and they'll be all over it like wildfire.

Then again, use a wrong voltage, or other charger with any other phone interchangeable (if you even could), it just won't work, not break it.)

I see your point though. This was never done in the past, so why do it now?

That person who who a "non-Apple approved" charger, and the article claimed their iPhone exploded... This is a case of pure hype. since all that would have happened is the charger wouldn't have worked..

But THIS ? Maybe its a move by Apple, to clamp down on not to use third party chargers.

Seems to be a shame, because people want the convenience of two usb ports on a single charger, or other good device(s).

Apple again, controlling the market :p
 
There shouldn't be any data flow when all you're doing is charging.
If Apple simply followed the spec and reserved the data pins for transferring data then there would be no problem and the iPhone would draw 500mA like any other USB device that does follow the spec.
Yes, the phone would charge slower but it's this non-standard 5W/10W switching that others try to mimic that is most likely causing the problem.
Apple compounds the problem by repeatedly adjusting these voltage and resistance levels which is why some chargers start or stop working when new iOS versions are released.
They needlessly created a system that demands more precision than the USB spec allows for.


Data flow is irrelevant. You said that there should not be any voltage on the data pins, when this is clearly a violation of basic physics. When you plug in a USB cable to a USB port the spec determines what is connected - by using the data pins.

As far as 500 mA goes, that was broken a very long time ago, and long before Apple. While the official spec calls for 5V DC at 500 mA max, the majority of PC ports and hubs have been providing up to (and sometimes beyond) 1 amp per port.

Providing 5W per port is already a violation of the standard (P= IV). Identification of connected devices without using a host controller also is, but then that's what every USB phone charger does.

Apple's chargers are based on a reference design from iWatt, which designs electronics for a range of companies, and they have been demonstrated to work safely and effectively to deliver charging current that both the charger itself and the device it is charging have identified is safe.

Where it breaks down is that the cheap knockoff chargers are compromised by building them to a price - and this price means that they lack many of the basic safety features that go into a device that converts mains voltage into usable low-voltage DC. You end up with frequently unsafe chargers that can potentially harm the user, and also deliver noisy unfiltered voltage that can damage charge circuitry inside your phone.

The blame is not on Apple here. The blame is buying a $2 charger and thinking "oh, it's the same, but cheaper". It really isn't.

The trace separation between the high and low sides of the circuit alone make me shake my head in disbelief with some of those knockoff chargers. I am amazed there haven't been more fires or electrocutions. Maybe they just don't get reported.

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Complete and utter BS. Apple blaming a crappy "chip" that fails miserably on "off brand chargers?".'

More like they are trying HARD to stop people from buying outside of Apple. And willing to break your device own purpose. They probably coded it to overheat if you use an off bread device.

// detect charge

if apple brand, continue charging.

if not, overheat and blow it up.

then LOL and blame them Chinese

// end code.


Shush kid, the adults are talking.

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interesting theory..

Apples deliberately breaks your i.Device if a third party changer is used ? If only they did this on purpose to get it in the press, and they'll be all over it like wildfire.

Then again, use a wrong voltage, or other charger with any other phone interchangeable (if you even could), it just won't work, not break it.)

I see your point though. This was never done in the past, so why do it now?

That person who who a "non-Apple approved" charger, and the article claimed their iPhone exploded... This is a case of pure hype. since all that would have happened is the charger wouldn't have worked..

But THIS ? Maybe its a move by Apple, to clamp down on not to use third party chargers.

Seems to be a shame, because people want the convenience of two usb ports on a single charger, or other good device(s).

Apple again, controlling the market :p


The chip is expecting smoothed, filtered, voltage-regulated 5V DC. This is trivial to produce, if your charger is designed and built properly. Making a regulated 5V output is trivial, and you don;t even have to do it yourself - there are ICs available that do all the work for you - you just need to lay out the PCB at that point.

What happens in the case of crappy chargers is that these corners are cut and you end up with noisy DC on the output, with voltage transients, ripple, drift, etc, that the charging chip has *some* ability to clean up, but it has limits. If it's pushed outside of its operating range then there is the possibility of damage - especially if you keep feeding it voltage spikes above 5V.

Go and put a scope on the output of an official Apple charger (or one made by Belkin, or Amazon, or Samsung, or HTC) and compare it to a knockoff charger and you'll see the problem in seconds.

That doesn't even address the problem that the knockoff chargers are frequently actually dangerous to use (to your life, not just to your phone) due to dangerous practices involved in the board design that cut safety corners to get the price down.
 
Indeed, the power cable we're having trouble getting to work right now on my daughter's 5C and my iPad mini, is the official Apple one.

I swear, it's beginning to look like my MacBook's MagSafe cable experience all over again. Great idea, horrible build quality at an overpriced cost.

It actually is not the cable doing it. In terms of material it is the same as the 30 pin cable just has the lightning connector on the end. What is probably happening is the cable is being covered up, pulled too tight while plugged in, or was placed with the phone weight on it by accident. You do that to any cable and you will start to break it. There are a bunch of tiny little wires inside that cable and when you bend the cable beyond what it was intended to do it will break those wires. I have a cable from when the iPhone 5 came out that I don't treat with much respect sits in a drawer and is tied up to compact it some and it has still been going 3 years strong. The magsafe adapter did have an issue with strain relief because of the design. The lightning cable did not change the design just the plug end. Hell I did the same thing to a 30 pin once with my iPhone 4s I sat it in the cup holder and bent the cable some but it didnt break because I got it within about a minute but still bunched up the cable. If Apple designed a cable to withstand all the extra stuff people do to it they would not be able to fit it in the box and it would be inflexible and probably cost a lot more money.
 
What really bothers me is why is Apple not publishing a list of approved Lightning connector cables and chargers for the iPhone 5/5S/5C, iPad mini, Lightning-port iPads and the 7G iPad nano? That right there would save us a lot of aggravation.
 
If Apple designed a cable to withstand all the extra stuff people do to it they would not be able to fit it in the box and it would be inflexible and probably cost a lot more money.

Usually I'd agree, but...

Apple's power supplies and cables already cost a lot of money, yet often last less than a year. If they were cheap, that'd be understandable, but they're not, and worse, we're trapped using them so Apple can eke out more profit at our expense.

Go to Apple's own online store and look at the overwhelmingly bad user reviews for their Lightning USB cables and MagSafe power supplies/cables. They're rated one star out of five stars, and that's been my experience as well.

My microUSB cables are treated much more harshly, and they've done fine.
 
What are you people doing with them? Playing jump rope? Hog-tying cattle? Yanking them out by the cable rather than pulling the plug itself out of the socket?

I've had an iPhone 5 since shortly after they came out, have had only genuine Apple Lightning cables (3ft and 6ft) in the house and car, and have never had any of them stop working.

I'm the same LOL. So many people seem to have problems I can't figure it out. I still have the cable from my iPod Mini, the huge chunky 30 pin connector, all the way back from 2004 a bit yellowed, but it still works perfectly fine.
 
The chip is expecting smoothed, filtered, voltage-regulated 5V DC. This is trivial to produce, if your charger is designed and built properly. Making a regulated 5V output is trivial, and you don;t even have to do it yourself - there are ICs available that do all the work for you - you just need to lay out the PCB at that point.

What happens in the case of crappy chargers is that these corners are cut and you end up with noisy DC on the output, with voltage transients, ripple, drift, etc, that the charging chip has *some* ability to clean up, but it has limits. If it's pushed outside of its operating range then there is the possibility of damage - especially if you keep feeding it voltage spikes above 5V.

USB devices, per the specification, must handle 5V +/- 5% without failure (4.75V–5.25V), which in practice means that they need to tolerate an even wider voltage range for short periods of time. If a power supply caused that chip to burn out, that probably means that the bad supplies were running continuously above 5.25V. At least I certainly hope that this is the case.

If it's a noise tolerance issue as you suggest, then that's a design flaw. Many computers don't provide clean 5VDC and ground to USB devices, either. If you've ever used a cheap audio interface and heard chirping in your audio that is dependent on GPU activity, then you know what I'm talking about. Much of the PowerMac G5 line, for example, was notorious for power supply noise....
 
Apple's power supplies and cables already cost a lot of money, yet often last less than a year. If they were cheap, that'd be understandable, but they're not, and worse, we're trapped using them so Apple can eke out more profit at our expense.

Go to Apple's own online store and look at the overwhelmingly bad user reviews for their Lightning USB cables and MagSafe power supplies/cables. They're rated one star out of five stars, and that's been my experience as well.

My microUSB cables are treated much more harshly, and they've done fine.

Apple's power supplies are fine. Even with the laptop power supplies, it's always the cables that fail. If Apple could make one change to their product line that would make everybody's life better, it would be this: put a connector on both ends of the wire. Make one standard MagSafe cable that plugs in with a standard DC jack on one end. That solves multiple problems:

  • When the cable fails, customers can replace a $10 cable instead of an $80 brick.
  • When users want to provide power with an external battery, the battery makers can provide a standard connector, and customers can get the cable from Apple.
  • When you want to power the device in your car, you can unplug the cord from the power supply and plug it into a small DC plug adapter instead of either having to haul around an entirely separate cable or an inverter.

And so on. Literally everything about that arrangement makes more sense for customers than hard-wiring a specialized, irreplaceable cable onto a power supply brick, only to have customers cut the wires off to make cables for their external batteries, and other such butchery.
 
That's not correct. You could purchase an Apple-branded charger for $10, not get a $10 credit towards one.
USB Power Adapter Takeback Program

And that's not true either. That program has EXPIRED!

And to add insult to injury, the AUTHORIZED Apple adapter is a piece of JUNK!

I've run out of duct tape trying to fix this piece of crap. Definitely NOT the usual Apple quality, so I don't know how the hell Apple can criticize 3rd party adapters and companies when theirs is a piece of junk!
 
What is an "authorized" third-party charger? There are probably millions of different products that convert AC power to DC over USB in some way. Computers, TVs, and routers included, plus wall plugs made for charging iPhones by Belkin and such. They can all charge iPhones. Which ones are "authorized"?
 
This is a big problem across the board. I used my kindle charger for a long time with my iPhone 4, and it eventually killed the battery. Why? It was only charging at 4.7v instead of 5v. Gah.


Now are we 100% sure that is the was the charger that killed the battery? I just say that because you said "for a long time..." and "iPhone 4" so it makes me wonder if the battery would had and may have just gone out period.
My cousin had his battery go out one time by using the Apple charger that comes with the phone. It happens sometimes.
 
This article does not make something clear: Is it the AC to DC adaptor's fault or the USB to Lightning cable's fault? There's a big difference. I don't know why anybody would buy cheapo AC to DC adaptors, but the fake USB to Lightning cables are 1/20th the price of Apple's ripoff cables.

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Lightning is far superior to micro USB. I wouldn't want to deal with a micro USB port under my phone. Apple just needs to do the first two things you said.

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Same here. I gave up on "licensed" cables long ago. They're worse than the fakes. The only one that really works is the one that came with my phone.

I forgot that it is literally impossible for USB to ever be faster than it is today.

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Last I checked, Apple is a business. They have a right to make money on their products, and you have a right to take your money to other companies.

You're right, we should be praising Apple for charging absurd prices and screwing over their loyal customers.

And find me a single person that bashed Samsung for making a 5" phone and is now praising Apple based on the rumors that there will be a 5" phone. You can't. Because the people that are most excited about Apple making a big phone are the people that either were happy or didn't mind it when Samsung started drastically increasing the size of their phones. Granted, some people didn't care about big phones. But that's not a crime.

You literally cannot be serious. You either have a horrible memory, an extremely selective memory, or you prefer to lie.

Go back a year or more to any story about any 5" phone, every single one is full of people saying 5" is dumb/stupid/idiotic/evil/insane/absurd/etc etc etc, and that the size of the iPhone is the only good size for a phone. Pretty much verbatim for the previous iPhone size.

Granted, some people didn't care about big phones. But that's not a crime.

I have no idea what this has to do with the conversation, or why you mentioned it. Did I say it was a bad thing that people dislike certain sizes of phones? No. I said that people attacked the evil Samsung for its 5" phones, and are not praising Apple for the RUMOR they are making a larger phone.

You're allowed to disagree with me, but it doesn't make you any less dead wrong.
 
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