Under powered Pro and poor cameras in larger one

[gadget123]

Has to be the most bizzare Apple line up in years where the top tablet doesn't have features like Live Photos and new cameras yet the 9.7" model is under powered with 2gb ram.

Then it was like a flash back in time with them trying to flog a 5S design with 6s internals yet charge £100 more for camera and processor updates in the iPad pro.

I am amazed at the optimism for such mediocare Apple products. The 5C wasn't great but atleast they worked it into a new case. It was sheer laziness not to make the 4" the same form factor as the 6 or even iPod touch.

It's official Apple has taken its customers for granted and the best way is to not buy and force a cheaper 16gb model as we seen with the 8gb 5C.

Apple went from a defined product range under jobs an iPad iPod and iPhone to smaller larger iPhones some under powered some with 4gb ram arguably too much power for today. Apple wouldn't have released an old iPhone under jobs because I still can't get my head round they would actually hold a press's conference to show off an old design iPhone. We don't need to see how good the camera and processor is we seen it with the 6S.

 

[Ghost31]

So the existing threads on this topic weren't enough for you eh

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2gb-ram-apple-takes-us-for-granted.1962851/unread

 

[DaniJoy]

even the 12.9 is under powered IMO. i tried editing raw on mine its super slow. so is editing 4k video. for painting, they limit the brush size to tiny sizes, im pretty sure thats so users cant try to paint with large brushes- because this thing is not nearly as fast as they would like everyone to believe. its still just a ipad- nothing pro about it. hopefully the pro 2 will be better.

 

[jamesrick80]

even the 12.9 is under powered IMO. i tried editing raw on mine its super slow. so is editing 4k video. for painting, they limit the brush size to tiny sizes, im pretty sure thats so users cant try to paint with large brushes- because this thing is not nearly as fast as they would like everyone to believe. its still just a ipad- nothing pro about it. hopefully the pro 2 will be better.

Try editing a PowerPoint presentation without a mouse pointer and creating new slides, it's a total headache on the larger ipad pro....

 

[joeblow7777]

2GB of RAM doesn't seem "underpowered" to me.

 

[Kal-037]

even the 12.9 is under powered IMO. i tried editing raw on mine its super slow. so is editing 4k video. for painting, they limit the brush size to tiny sizes, im pretty sure thats so users cant try to paint with large brushes- because this thing is not nearly as fast as they would like everyone to believe. its still just a ipad- nothing pro about it. hopefully the pro 2 will be better.

Try editing a PowerPoint presentation without a mouse pointer and creating new slides, it's a total headache on the larger ipad pro....

You two seem to be the only ones I found that the iPP doesn't work well with. I haven't had any issues with large files (no matter the type.) I also have yet to see anyone complain about it's speed and power. Sure it's limited with iOS (everyone knows that) but all the reviews have praised it's power (including all the people who work with 4k video and RAW files on a constant basis.)
Sorry it doesn't work for you.


Kal.

 

[masotime]

even the 12.9 is under powered IMO. i tried editing raw on mine its super slow. so is editing 4k video. for painting, they limit the brush size to tiny sizes, im pretty sure thats so users cant try to paint with large brushes- because this thing is not nearly as fast as they would like everyone to believe. its still just a ipad- nothing pro about it. hopefully the pro 2 will be better.

What apps are you using to edit RAW and 4K?

 

[gadget123]

2GB of RAM doesn't seem "underpowered" to me.

Let's see how it runs IOS 10 and iOS 11 in 2017 then..

 

[joeblow7777]

Let's see how it runs IOS 10 and iOS 11 in 2017 then..

If it runs them as well as 1GB devices like my iPhone 6 runs iOS 9 I'd say that's quite good.

Unless iOS gets considerably more robust in the next couple of years I expect that it will run just fine on 2GB devices. I think a lot of people here worry far too much about "future proofing" their devices. No one knows what the future has in store.

 

[DaniJoy]

You two seem to be the only ones I found that the iPP doesn't work well with. I haven't had any issues with large files (no matter the type.) I also have yet to see anyone complain about it's speed and power. Sure it's limited with iOS (everyone knows that) but all the reviews have praised it's power (including all the people who work with 4k video and RAW files on a constant basis.)
Sorry it doesn't work for you.


Kal.

it works, just not like i thought it would. i would say its a powerful tool, but a weak standalone device. RAW was slow when i tried it. It works, but its slow. that said it nice to have the ability to do it finally on the ipad. if im too lazy to grab my workstation to post some RAW on instagram the IPP does work. it can only get better from here.

that said its super fast for consumption- i love it for that. really handy for traveling with. its a good sketchbook- would be great if the palm rejection worked better, but it does not for my hand. its also an amazing second battery powered screen hooked up to duet display. it wonderful for showing work to clients. very professional and fast for that. But, no ICC profile makes it hard to do anything that has to be printed and get accurate colors. im still trying to find a solution to this issue- there is a difference in colors between my devices. maybe im just spoiled by my other tablets. The RAW editing is instantaneous.

i edit RAW on photoshop express on IPP imported with the camera adapter. Imovie for the 4k. h265 didnt even work off my nikon, so i tried a 4k iphone video, which failed multiple times before it worked and took a very long time to export.

pretty cool we can do it, but its not quite there yet for speed, IMO. bigger brushes for painting would be nice too.
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What apps are you using to edit RAW and 4K?

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Try editing a PowerPoint presentation without a mouse pointer and creating new slides, it's a total headache on the larger ipad pro....

thanks for the heads up. ive never tried that.

 

[oldmacs]

Unless iOS gets considerably more robust in the next couple of years I expect that it will run just fine on 2GB devices. I think a lot of people here worry far too much about "future proofing" their devices. No one knows what the future has in store.

Thats because some of us don't have endless money to throw around. We don't know what the future has in store, but having double the ram is almost guaranteed to benefit us, and more ram never hurts. Too little ram on the other hand can.
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Let's see how it runs IOS 10 and iOS 11 in 2017 then..

I predict it will be poor. I think iOS is going to get beefier on the iPads, so more ram will be a must.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

I agree--it's not a good line-up. I don't care about the camera, but I'm having trouble deciding between an improved screen (since I do a lot of photo stuff) and more RAM and CPU power. Guess we'll find out later.

 

[Traverse]

Let's see how it runs IOS 10 and iOS 11 in 2017 then..

Well, OS X runs on 2GB of RAM, so I'd say a lightweight mobile OS would run just fine if coded properly (give them a few .x updates).
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I agree--it's not a good line-up. I don't care about the camera, but I'm having trouble deciding between an improved screen (since I do a lot of photo stuff) and more RAM and CPU power. Guess we'll find out later.

To be honest, I think decide between the screen size is more important. The 9.7" Pro has a better screen with better saturation, but how noticeable will that really be? The Pro has more RAM, but how much doe the iPad really utilize it aside from Safari tabs?

Do you want to work on a 9.7" screen or a 12.9" screen? Will you carry it around a lot?

 

[masotime]

i edit RAW on photoshop express on IPP imported with the camera adapter. Imovie for the 4k. h265 didnt even work off my nikon, so i tried a 4k iphone video, which failed multiple times before it worked and took a very long time to export.

You might want to give PhotoRAW a try.

For h265, I doubt if any tablet or laptop out there can handle editing it. h265 is extremely CPU intensive, encoding requires vast amount of CPU power - you'd probably need a dedicated workstation. The Snapdragon processors may handle it better, but I'm not so sure.

EDIT: A quick Google suggests 2 potential alternatives to iMovie for video editing - Replay Video Editor and Pinnacle Studio Pro

 

[joeblow7777]

Thats because some of us don't have endless money to throw around. We don't know what the future has in store, but having double the ram is almost guaranteed to benefit us, and more ram never hurts. Too little ram on the other hand can.
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I predict it will be poor. I think iOS is going to get beefier on the iPads, so more ram will be a must.

Of course more RAM is always better. It's not like I'm saying that putting in 4GB would be a bad thing. I'm just saying that 2GB is not "underpowered", and probably won't be for at least another couple of years. I've used full Windows 7 running on 2GB of RAM. I don't see iOS requiring 4GB in the near future.

 

[gadget123]

Well, OS X runs on 2GB of RAM, so I'd say a lightweight mobile OS would run just fine if coded properly (give them a few .x updates).
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To be honest, I think decide between the screen size is more important. The 9.7" Pro has a better screen with better saturation, but how noticeable will that really be? The Pro has more RAM, but how much doe the iPad really utilize it aside from Safari tabs?

Do you want to work on a 9.7" screen or a 12.9" screen? Will you carry it around a lot?

To be honest does a screen that changes colour mean is better or because Apple said so?

I would imagine a larger Pro with more pixels must look nicer day to day to be honest.

Until 4K comes any screen updates are not worth bothering about.

 

[Traverse]

To be honest does a screen that changes colour mean is better or because Apple said so?

That's what I was implying when I said the increased saturation may not be noticeable. The jump from the iPhone 4S to the 6 and from my iPad 3 to the Air 2 brought significant screen improvements with clarity and color even though PPI stayed the same. I hope it's the same instance here.

 

[DaniJoy]

You might want to give PhotoRAW a try.

For h265, I doubt if any tablet or laptop out there can handle editing it. h265 is extremely CPU intensive, encoding requires vast amount of CPU power - you'd probably need a dedicated workstation. The Snapdragon processors may handle it better, but I'm not so sure.

EDIT: A quick Google suggests 2 potential alternatives to iMovie for video editing - Replay Video Editor and Pinnacle Studio Pro

Thanks I'll try those apps sometime, but I think u are right about needing a worstation. Surprisingly my little companion 2 tablet can edit h265 with decent speed. A guy with a Sony vaio z tablet in my studio is even faster. That sucker has a quad core cpu. I want that in a Mac!

 

[baypharm]

You two seem to be the only ones I found that the iPP doesn't work well with. I haven't had any issues with large files (no matter the type.) I also have yet to see anyone complain about it's speed and power. Sure it's limited with iOS (everyone knows that) but all the reviews have praised it's power (including all the people who work with 4k video and RAW files on a constant basis.)
Sorry it doesn't work for you.


Kal.

Depends on the type of 4K media you are using. We tried it using files from a Red Cinema camera and it failed miserably.

 

[masotime]

Depends on the type of 4K media you are using. We tried it using files from a Red Cinema camera and it failed miserably.

Red Cinema camera? That's definitely very Pro. What file format / bitrate are you working with...?

 

[ShaunAFC3]

2GB of RAM doesn't seem "underpowered" to me.

Exactly!!

My iPad Air 2 With 2GB of RAM is definitely not "underpowered" in any way in fact the Air 2 is "still" a VERY POWERFUL and a BEAST of a tablet and I can assure you(OP) it won't be much different on the new 9.7 inch iPad Pro and with IOS 10 and 11 I am pretty sure the 9.7 inch Pro with 2GB of RAM will do just fine and maybe in 12-18 months time near to the IOS 11 we most likely might get a new 9.7 Pro with 4GB of RAM!!

 

[urkel]

even the 12.9 is under powered IMO. i tried editing raw on mine its super slow. so is editing 4k video. for painting, they limit the brush size to tiny sizes, im pretty sure thats so users cant try to paint with large brushes- because this thing is not nearly as fast as they would like everyone to believe. its still just a ipad- nothing pro about it. hopefully the pro 2 will be better.

Trying to iPad Pro for "Pro" stuff has been disappointing. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing machine and plenty powerful (for an iPad) but the biggest issues I've had is the OS itself and the simplified Apps.

Long form Writing - Arrow keys on Smart Keyboard are great but text highlighting and precision cursor placement are awkward with fingers instead of mouse

Photo Editing - Using a stylus compensates for mouse for editing but the apps seem to always be missing key features found on its big brother versions. (Even iPhoto is missing many features that are on desktop and Apple seems to have abandoned any expected updates)

Video Editing - I'm surprised at how much I enjoy creating projects on the couch with the Pro but it can choke when given more than a simple workload. And again, lots of missing features. (I'm looking to sell my 12.9 in favor of a 9.7 but the 2GB RAM and USB2 transfer speed worries me)

Power Consumption - This is the one that baffles me. I use the Pro for moderate level work so I'm fine that I've never come close to 10hrs. But how do I still see battery go down a few percent during a project even when plugged in?!?! (Answer: Apple now offers a 29W USB-C charger ($49) and iPad Pro USB-C Lightning cable ($25). That's $75 for something that should've been standard)


Again, I think the iPad Pro is an awesome machine but maybe they should've just called it the iPad+ instead.

 

[friedmud]

TA guy with a Sony vaio z tablet in my studio is even faster. That sucker has a quad core cpu. I want that in a Mac!

Ummm: http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MJLQ2LL/A&step=config#

Use the right tool for the right job (that goes for this whole thread).

I was using my maxed out MBP last night to drown a 20,000 core supercomputer in scientific compute jobs. This morning I'm doing homework on my iPP using the Pencil.

Right tool. Right job. Why is that so hard?

 

[pedrom]

To be honest does a screen that changes colour mean is better or because Apple said so?

I would imagine a larger Pro with more pixels must look nicer day to day to be honest.

Until 4K comes any screen updates are not worth bothering about.

4K has nothing to do with screen quality on these screens. You can have a 4k screen that is worse than the screen on the "new" iPhone SE.

 

[DaniJoy]

Ummm: http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MJLQ2LL/A&step=config#

Use the right tool for the right job (that goes for this whole thread).

I was using my maxed out MBP last night to drown a 20,000 core supercomputer in scientific compute jobs. This morning I'm doing homework on my iPP using the Pencil.

Right tool. Right job. Why is that so hard?

Dude I'm a artist, laptops suck. I need a powerful tablet for my job. Are you smart enough to understand other people have different needs than you?