UNFAIR Comparison?

browser740

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So , I've wanted to get the IPP 12.9 since it first came out, but was unimpressed with GEN1 and Although the Gen2 with the a10x processor has me interested I'm still not on board... I am running a IPAD4 and the A6 processor MIGHT be a little slow, but just fine here (macrumor) Amazon prime, youtube... Sorry back to the point...

Im looking at the weekly Costco mailer and I see, HP ENVY 13.3 4K. Touchscreen 2 in 1 laptop... 16GB Memory, 512 SSD. 1400 - 200 isn't rebate. 1200.00 Bucks...

So the only thing I dread is going back to MS...

Comparison

I PAd PRO. HP Envy
12.9. 13.3
Not 4K. 4K Screen
Touch Screen. Touch Screen
No Mouse. Track Pad
4 G Meg. 16 G Memory
512 SSD. 512 SSD
1 Yr support. 2 Yr Support
1099 cost. 1199. Cost

FOR 100 Bucks more,the HP envy is a MUCH better BUY....
 

Relentless Power

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So , I've wanted to get the IPP 12.9 since it first came out, but was unimpressed with GEN1 and Although the Gen2 with the a10x processor has me interested I'm still not on board... I am running a IPAD4 and the A6 processor MIGHT be a little slow, but just fine here (macrumor) Amazon prime, youtube... Sorry back to the point...

Im looking at the weekly Costco mailer and I see, HP ENVY 13.3 4K. Touchscreen 2 in 1 laptop... 16GB Memory, 512 SSD. 1400 - 200 isn't rebate. 1200.00 Bucks...

So the only thing I dread is going back to MS...

Comparison

I PAd PRO. HP Envy
12.9. 13.3
Not 4K. 4K Screen
Touch Screen. Touch Screen
No Mouse. Track Pad
4 G Meg. 16 G Memory
512 SSD. 512 SSD
1 Yr support. 2 Yr Support
1099 cost. 1199. Cost

FOR 100 Bucks more,the HP envy is a MUCH better BUY....
Enjoy your HP Envy. Mean while, The iPad Pro runs circles around it in performance and iOS support. Take into consideration with Apples hardware standards and customer support in comparison to HP as well.
 
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Shirasaki

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Much better on spec.
Not really on the long run.
You will be able to use the latest build of windows 10 for quite a few years however.
 
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rowspaxe

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Personally I would not choose HP over Surface. I don't see ipad pro and surface (clones) as really comparable. Different products, really.
 
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So , I've wanted to get the IPP 12.9 since it first came out, but was unimpressed with GEN1 and Although the Gen2 with the a10x processor has me interested I'm still not on board... I am running a IPAD4 and the A6 processor MIGHT be a little slow, but just fine here (macrumor) Amazon prime, youtube... Sorry back to the point...

Im looking at the weekly Costco mailer and I see, HP ENVY 13.3 4K. Touchscreen 2 in 1 laptop... 16GB Memory, 512 SSD. 1400 - 200 isn't rebate. 1200.00 Bucks...

So the only thing I dread is going back to MS...

Comparison

I PAd PRO. HP Envy
12.9. 13.3
Not 4K. 4K Screen
Touch Screen. Touch Screen
No Mouse. Track Pad
4 G Meg. 16 G Memory
512 SSD. 512 SSD
1 Yr support. 2 Yr Support
1099 cost. 1199. Cost

FOR 100 Bucks more,the HP envy is a MUCH better BUY....
That depends, I don't touch any Windows OS if it even is free. I'd rather iOS than anything.
 
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AFEPPL

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So why not just get a 2017 iPad? much cheaper and more than enough performance.
Personally i'd stick with a laptop, it does all those things you've listed much more efficiently and you have a nice keyboard and trackpad.

Why not consider the Surface Pro - its a great in the middle device and would work well.
 

TraceyS/FL

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Battery life and weight are biggies.

That said, my kids have a Dell 2in1, and so does my boyfriend. They have worked well for certain purposes - neither of them enjoy using them in bed or on the couch. Different purposes really.
 
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sparksd

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I would think that the S/W (OS & app) side in context of your user needs and preferences would be more critical - both platforms are plenty powerful from a H/W perspective.
 

aevan

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I PAd PRO. HP Envy
12.9. 13.3
Not 4K. 4K Screen
Touch Screen. Touch Screen
No Mouse. Track Pad
4 G Meg. 16 G Memory
512 SSD. 512 SSD
1 Yr support. 2 Yr Support
1099 cost. 1199. Cost

FOR 100 Bucks more,the HP envy is a MUCH better BUY....
OP, this is just ridiculous. You're comparing two different devices intended for different things.

First of all, people come to this forum and think that if something is better for them, it's a "better buy".

Second, I could make a different comparison, based on my needs. In fact, I will - here:

iPad Pro -------- HP Envy
Best device for illustration -------- No illustration capabilities
One of the fastest computing experiences on the market -------- Average performance
HDR capable, industry leading 600 nit display -------- Low 310 nit brighness, no HDR
Wide color -------- No wide color
Great color accuracy -------- Bad color accuracy
120Hz -------- 60hz
Optimum hidpi resolution -------- Off the shelf 4K un-optimized screen
10h battery life -------- 5h battery life
Faster CPU -------- Slower CPU
Great Mac/iPhone complementary device -------- Not compatible with my other devices

These are just my needs, but they do show that HP Envy is FAR from a "much better buy". Don't let the 4K sticker fool you, it's screen is much worse (in fact, just shows how HP is using off the shelf parts, unlike, say, Microsoft who actually invested in a proper custom-resolution, optimized screen on their Surface devices)

If you need a LAPTOP, a LAPTOP will be better than a TABLET and vice versa. But comparing them spec for spec is just wrong.

For some people, Envy is the better choice. Perfectly fine. If you think it will better serve your needs, go get it and enjoy it, it seems fine. But coming here and claiming it's a better buy - you're just asking for someone to come and explain these things to you.
 

ericwn

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So , I've wanted to get the IPP 12.9 since it first came out, but was unimpressed with GEN1 and Although the Gen2 with the a10x processor has me interested I'm still not on board... I am running a IPAD4 and the A6 processor MIGHT be a little slow, but just fine here (macrumor) Amazon prime, youtube... Sorry back to the point...

Im looking at the weekly Costco mailer and I see, HP ENVY 13.3 4K. Touchscreen 2 in 1 laptop... 16GB Memory, 512 SSD. 1400 - 200 isn't rebate. 1200.00 Bucks...

So the only thing I dread is going back to MS...

Comparison

I PAd PRO. HP Envy
12.9. 13.3
Not 4K. 4K Screen
Touch Screen. Touch Screen
No Mouse. Track Pad
4 G Meg. 16 G Memory
512 SSD. 512 SSD
1 Yr support. 2 Yr Support
1099 cost. 1199. Cost

FOR 100 Bucks more,the HP envy is a MUCH better BUY....
Just get what you enjoy the most. Let's just hope your next computer doesn't have a randomly working caps lock key. ;)
 

Relentless Power

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Just get what you enjoy the most. Let's just hope your next computer doesn't have a randomly working caps lock key. ;)
Ultimately, you are 100% correct. If the OP wants to use the HP envy, then so be it. It really comes down to what the person wants out of the device, even if the iPad is more efficient and powerful over the HP envy. The OP just needs to ask themself, what do you want from the device that you plan on purchasing.

But what I wouldn't do, is let $100 price difference make the decision for me. I would allow the specifications and capabilities of the devices to make the decision, because that $100.00 may not be worth saving in the grand scheme of things in the end.
 

mi7chy

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Kaby Lake in the HP Envy is much more capable at media consumption with support for hardware accelerated 4K 60fps 10-bit HDR HEVC and VP9 and is Netflix 4K UHD ready.

2017 iPad Pro doesn't even support HEVC yet until iOS 11 is released and it's not clear if it does 4K higher than 30fps.
 

browser740

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OP, this is just ridiculous. You're comparing two different devices intended for different things.

First of all, people come to this forum and think that if something is better for them, it's a "better buy".

Second, I could make a different comparison, based on my needs. In fact, I will - here:

iPad Pro -------- HP Envy
Best device for illustration -------- No illustration capabilities
One of the fastest computing experiences on the market -------- Average performance
HDR capable, industry leading 600 nit display -------- Low 310 nit brighness, no HDR
Wide color -------- No wide color
Great color accuracy -------- Bad color accuracy
120Hz -------- 60hz
Optimum hidpi resolution -------- Off the shelf 4K un-optimized screen
10h battery life -------- 5h battery life
Faster CPU -------- Slower CPU
Great Mac/iPhone complementary device -------- Not compatible with my other devices

These are just my needs, but they do show that HP Envy is FAR from a "much better buy". Don't let the 4K sticker fool you, it's screen is much worse (in fact, just shows how HP is using off the shelf parts, unlike, say, Microsoft who actually invested in a proper custom-resolution, optimized screen on their Surface devices)

If you need a LAPTOP, a LAPTOP will be better than a TABLET and vice versa. But comparing them spec for spec is just wrong.

For some people, Envy is the better choice. Perfectly fine. If you think it will better serve your needs, go get it and enjoy it, it seems fine. But coming here and claiming it's a better buy - you're just asking for someone to come and explain these things to you.
So is that a YES for unfair comparison??
 

MartinAppleGuy

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The single fact that you still have an iPad 4 shows you the lifespan and support that iPads receive. Every. Single. HP. Product. Ive owned has failed.
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OP, this is just ridiculous. You're comparing two different devices intended for different things.

First of all, people come to this forum and think that if something is better for them, it's a "better buy".

Second, I could make a different comparison, based on my needs. In fact, I will - here:

iPad Pro -------- HP Envy
Best device for illustration -------- No illustration capabilities
One of the fastest computing experiences on the market -------- Average performance
HDR capable, industry leading 600 nit display -------- Low 310 nit brighness, no HDR
Wide color -------- No wide color
Great color accuracy -------- Bad color accuracy
120Hz -------- 60hz
Optimum hidpi resolution -------- Off the shelf 4K un-optimized screen
10h battery life -------- 5h battery life
Faster CPU -------- Slower CPU
Great Mac/iPhone complementary device -------- Not compatible with my other devices

These are just my needs, but they do show that HP Envy is FAR from a "much better buy". Don't let the 4K sticker fool you, it's screen is much worse (in fact, just shows how HP is using off the shelf parts, unlike, say, Microsoft who actually invested in a proper custom-resolution, optimized screen on their Surface devices)

If you need a LAPTOP, a LAPTOP will be better than a TABLET and vice versa. But comparing them spec for spec is just wrong.

For some people, Envy is the better choice. Perfectly fine. If you think it will better serve your needs, go get it and enjoy it, it seems fine. But coming here and claiming it's a better buy - you're just asking for someone to come and explain these things to you.
The GPU is another point, even a first gen iPad Pro bet a MacBook Pro 15 inch with Intel Iris Pro.
 

badmojo69

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Unfair depends on what you plan on doing with the device. If you want to just consume content vs create content.
Then it will come down to what type of content. Basically I need more information to comment further.

Oh, also where will you primarily be using it?
 

Kal-037

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So , I've wanted to get the IPP 12.9 since it first came out, but was unimpressed with GEN1 and Although the Gen2 with the a10x processor has me interested I'm still not on board... I am running a IPAD4 and the A6 processor MIGHT be a little slow, but just fine here (macrumor) Amazon prime, youtube... Sorry back to the point...

Im looking at the weekly Costco mailer and I see, HP ENVY 13.3 4K. Touchscreen 2 in 1 laptop... 16GB Memory, 512 SSD. 1400 - 200 isn't rebate. 1200.00 Bucks...

So the only thing I dread is going back to MS...

Comparison

I PAd PRO. HP Envy
12.9. 13.3
Not 4K. 4K Screen
Touch Screen. Touch Screen
No Mouse. Track Pad
4 G Meg. 16 G Memory
512 SSD. 512 SSD
1 Yr support. 2 Yr Support
1099 cost. 1199. Cost

FOR 100 Bucks more,the HP envy is a MUCH better BUY....
The difference here on the 4k aspect is essentially moot as the point of 4k was to have more smaller pixels to attain clearer more detailed images. Apple devices may have resolution numbers with the same as FHD tvs or just above, but the amount of pixels and size of the pixels make them as good or better as any 4k device as you can't discern the pixels as easily than with 4K... it's pretty much semantical really, as 4k is merely a label to indicate numbers and resolution.
There's also a couple more reasons the iPad (may be) the better choice to the HP...

1.) HP has great looking and workingproducts that have some great specs, the only issue is that they have the worst customer service besides Asus and Net gear.
2.) iPad 12.9" actually has 3k display with 120hz and HDR. It's also the best tablet for pencil/stylus use (except Wacom or professional grade animation tablets.) the iPad is on par in terms of the power with the HP laptop.
3.) iPad is still more portable despite screen size.
4.) Apple's customer service is the best out there, besides Epson, Sony, and Dell.
5.) iPad has better continuity with their products (iPhone, Mac, and other Apple products.)
6.) iPad will have virtually no issues with viruses while HP/windows is very susceptible to them.


But honestly you can't really go wrong with either one. So whatever you choose, you'll be happy. :)
 
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throAU

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Much better on spec.
Not really on the long run.
You will be able to use the latest build of windows 10 for quite a few years however.
not even much better spec.

the ipad will have faster wifi, 120hz screen, truetone, better battery, lighter, faster cpu most likely (it's faster than any dual core mobile intel part, not far off mobile i7 quads), faster SSD, etc.


not sure most people realise just how potent the current ipad pro SOC is...

for the software my ipad pro runs, it runs circles around my 2015 mbp 13 in terms of real world performance.
 

Relentless Power

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1.) HP has cool looking products that have some great specs, the only issue is that they have the worst most horrendous customer service besides Asus and Net gear.
Addressing your #1 In your Post:

I think it's completely undermined when somebody chooses to purchase a high-end electronic product that cost a large sum of money, that you're not also purchasing their product, you're purchasing the customer service along with it. What does that tell somebody when you purchase a product and the company that's behind the product, is difficult to work with and are not customer savvy with relational skills or rectifying hardware issues?

I Can't stress enough how Apple not also makes a great product as we all know, but truly has the best customer service that will stand behind their product when need be and when it comes a time when we have problems with a product when we least expect it, I want to know that the company I purchased it from is going to assist with the issue quickly and efficiently.
 
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Shirasaki

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not even much better spec.

the ipad will have faster wifi, 120hz screen, truetone, better battery, lighter, faster cpu most likely (it's faster than any dual core mobile intel part, not far off mobile i7 quads), faster SSD, etc.


not sure most people realise just how potent the current ipad pro SOC is...

for the software my ipad pro runs, it runs circles around my 2015 mbp 13 in terms of real world performance.
Real world performance wise, Intel processors inside most laptop are CISC instruction set while Apple SoC are all RISC instruction set. This factors the performance as well.
 

throAU

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Real world performance wise, Intel processors inside most laptop are CISC instruction set while Apple SoC are all RISC instruction set. This factors the performance as well.
and?

intel CPUs have been RISC internally with a CISC "front end" decoder since the pentium pro. this is actually pretty neat; they get the benefit of CISC code density (impacting code footprint and cache efficiency) whilst having the advantages of a RISC ish architecture inside the majority of the cpu core.

all of this is however entirely irrelevant to the end user. all the end user cares about is "how fast does it run my stuff"
 

kasakka

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not even much better spec.

the ipad will have faster wifi, 120hz screen, truetone, better battery, lighter, faster cpu most likely (it's faster than any dual core mobile intel part, not far off mobile i7 quads), faster SSD, etc.


not sure most people realise just how potent the current ipad pro SOC is...

for the software my ipad pro runs, it runs circles around my 2015 mbp 13 in terms of real world performance.
Your iPad typically doesn't run anywhere near the amount of software you can run simultaneously on a PC/Mac laptop. Of course, there are tons of people who just fullscreen every app they have and make no real use of this capability.

That said the iPad Pro does have a lot to offer in specs. It's just that there's little software to actually make good use of it.
 

throAU

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Your iPad typically doesn't run anywhere near the amount of software you can run simultaneously on a PC/Mac laptop. Of course, there are tons of people who just fullscreen every app they have and make no real use of this capability.

That said the iPad Pro does have a lot to offer in specs. It's just that there's little software to actually make good use of it.
granted, yes.
but for most people doing typical home user stuff it has the required apps available.

i own both, plus a PC and find myself using the 10.5" pro a lot more than either computer as of late. even for work.

as lately a lot of my work time is meetings