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If anyone read the actual article listed by Reuters, everyone would realize that Universal is still selling their music catalogue on a month-to-month basis with iTunes. It doesn't mean that Universal has stopped working with Apple or has stopped using iTunes. All it means is that if Universal wants to hold out an exclusive album for one month from iTunes, it can.

Universal did not want to agree to a long term, two-year contract with Apple and the iTunes store.

The FUD in this thread is incredible. :eek:
 
Makes you wonder if a paradigm shift isn't due. Maybe artists should sign with a new division of Apple. They could call it Apple Corp. .... ?? ;)

i believe this has been the plan all along. it might have to be spun off as ala filemaker pro to avoid monopoly accusations, but i'm confident it will happen. apple was probably waiting until they hit as the number 1 seller of music, but universal may force their hand.

same thing will happen with the phone, at&t will be heaped on the scrap pile of dinosaur companies who attempted to prevent the future from happening instead of embracing it.
 
... It's a much different experience than buying a CD at Target, where the fact that you bought it from Target and play it on your Sony CD player is more or less irrelevant.
It's mostly irrelevant with iTunes as well. 1/3 of the songs (the EMI tracks and some independents) are available without DRM, and will therefore play everywhere. Although there aren't many non-iPod portable players capable of playing AAC, there are many computer-based players and car stereos that support the format. And tracks without DRM can be converted to MP3 or other more popular formats, if necessary.

The DRM-wrapped tracks on iTunes can all be burned to CD, making them compatible with the rest of the world as well.
... This closed system and the fixed pricing are probably the biggest points of contention from the labels.
The labels are the ones demanding the closed system. EMI eventually came around and decided to offer tracks without DRM, but the other three major labels are quite adamant about making sure iTunes tracks remain as closed as possible.

As for fixed pricing, that's just greed, plain and simple. They are making a nice profit, and their customers are happy. But they think they can get more money if Apple would only let them squeeze the market a bit tighter. They're welcome to that opinion, but history has repeatedly shown that it is wrong. Higher prices (such as those they charge on other download services) result in less, not more, profit. Higher prices convince customers to stop buying - they end up going without new music or they download from illegal sources.

They were really happy with the money from Apple when they thought the service was going to be a failure. Now that it's a success, they want control over it. If Apple has any brains, they'll make sure the labels never get that kind of control - if they do, iTunes will be run into the ground, just like all of the other download services.
I still wonder if or when Apple will open up their system and how it will affect their business.
You mean like how they now offer to sell non-DRM tracks whenever the copyright holder gives permission?

It doesn't seem to have hurt them.

Or do you still think the best solution is to go DRM-everywhere, and give the DRM software to the rest of the world? The complete failure of protected-WMA download services should have eliminated that idea from the realm of plausibility by now.
Apple isn't as wonderful and innocent as so many posters seem to believe though. Apple is shrewd in their business dealings. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes very innovative and quality products and is deserving of accolades. However, Apple didn't "save music" or do anything with altruistic intentions that you seem to bestow on them. This is a fight for power and money, that is all - it's business.
Did anybody say otherwise?

But whatever their motivation, their business practices are more consumer friendly than everybody else. This is something that I, as a consumer, have no problem supporting.

In comparison, look at the record labels. They treat everybody else with total contempt and hatred - this includes the artists, the distributors, the retailers, and the customers. You buy their product, and they call you a pirate. You sign on as an artist, and you never see a penny profit. You try to sell CDs, and you have to obey their price-fixing schemes or risk having your supply cut off. Would you expect anybody to support this?
 
Universals loss

Universal has everything to lose on this one. It is soo easy to pirate content, if they limit legitimate purchases. Well, they are only encouraging piracy. 99 cents is better than zero. With all the bad press over the last 6 years you think the greedy labels would be lying pretty low. Especially after interogating a 12 year old girl. If the devil was in business he would be running the RIAA. That is why I stick to indy music. Check out the South by southwest songs download. There are some great bands at that festival.
 
You people are funny!!!!.. thinking that artist should cut out the music companies and sell directly on itunes.. if i was an artist capable of cutting out the music companies.. why the F**C would i sell through itunes?. Why would i replace one monopolistic operation for another?.. why not sell directly to the consumer?. What exactly is the advantage of me, an artist selling through itunes?. You really think usher needs itunes?. or the rolling stones or the beatles?. These artist were huge long before itunes. Why would they sell their music on itunes for pennies just so apple fanboys can get their music for 99c?. Why not sell directly through a personal website for lots more money?.

What you don't seem to get is that a music label is very different from iTunes. iTunes is essentially a distributor. When a song is on iTunes it is being sold directly to the consumer and this is what is scaring the s**t out of record labels. Record stores will all be gone soon. Music labels will only operate on the level of marketing and promotion. Artists need iTunes to sell their music but they need record labels for publicity, radio promotion, tour support , press, etc.

The advantage to selling on iTunes is that it is the 3rd biggest music retailer. There are millions of people who use it to find out what the new releases are and sample the music before they buy it. Sure, I guess an artist could just sell their music on a personal website, but I guess they don't need to sell it at Wal-Mart or Target either. Perhaps Universal can open up their own retail outlets and just sell their own CD's and nobody elses. does that make good business sense ?

iTunes is an established presence the way Best Buy and Target are in the non-virtual world. And, yes, the Beatles and The Stones were famous before iTunes...no duh. But, you might have heard about this new thing called the world wide web? That was then, this is now. :p
 
The best bit of this is the fact that we won't see a U2 (universal artists) branded iPhone....yes!

As for Universal. Weren't they demanding a tax on all music players because we all are stealing music and needed to pay for it (!!, the cheek!).
 
So you have probably 140 million iPods (by now, its close to that) and they buy $200 million worth of your product, which is all gravy because it costs you sweet f*** all to sell it.

But you want to sell it through other online services (like which?) and NOT to the iPod owners. Hmmm.
So the 140 million iPods (and counting) cant buy your music, and the 20 million other mp3 players can.

And someone here actually stated that the record companies were NOT clueless. Excuse while I ROTF and LMAO........!

I must write to Universal and apply for the job of CEO because its obvious that my CAT could run the company better than the current people.

Lets see: I cant find the track I want on iTunes because the DOLTS at Universal have pulled them.
What shall I do? Thinks for a few seconds, fires up Limewire and gets the track.

Can these people get more stupid? No, they have finally reached the lowest recorded IQ levels.
 
Class action libel suit....

Anyone interested in a class-action libel suit against the record co's for calling us all thieves?
 
The record industry have a lot of power. They can make or break online music stores, and they can do that with iTunes in a single breath.


1. They dictate terms to Apple, Apple refuse and labels withdraw from iTunes
2. Other music stores take note, and accept the music industry terms
3. Profit!
 
The record industry have a lot of power. They can make or break online music stores, and they can do that with iTunes in a single breath.


1. They dictate terms to Apple, Apple refuse and labels withdraw from iTunes
2. Other music stores take note, and accept the music industry terms
3. Profit!

True, but the music industry is run by greedy whores. Try as they might, they will not be able to resist the #1 sugar daddy, iTunes music store.
 
Reality check??

I think Apple just needs to start up their own music label, or buy a smaller one (Apple Corps?). That way any artist can just sell their music through iTunes (and maybe as physical media), and Apple can give them a better cut of the profit than is usual. That would basically fix Apple's dependence on external carriers.

I don't think Apple wants to be a record label. Selling content through their online store is one thing but managing artists, tours, music videos, promotion is another.

Isn't Itunes just available in the US? Hello, Universal has been selling music for much longer than apple has. Whats wrong with a company trying to fix the price they want to sell their product at?

I have a feeling apple has been acting too big for its own good lately. Iphone locked to one carrier and its a closed platform?? Haven't we been saying thats whats wrong with M$ ??? Now Apple its telling music companies they HAVE to sell their songs at $xyz no more?? I say a reality check is due. Itunes became so popular in a few years...there is no telling what happens in the next few years. Maybe they can try and play nice after all these music companies are their customers too.
 
The record industry have a lot of power. They can make or break online music stores, and they can do that with iTunes in a single breath.


1. They dictate terms to Apple, Apple refuse and labels withdraw from iTunes
2. Other music stores take note, and accept the music industry terms
3. Profit!

Maybe 10 years ago. The major label record industry are in big trouble currently.
 
True, but the music industry is run by greedy whores. Try as they might, they will not be able to resist the #1 sugar daddy, iTunes music store.

Absolutely!

Add to that: old farts who live in the past and won't embrace new technologies and view them as threats.
 
Absolutely!

Add to that: old farts who live in the past and won't embrace new technologies and view them as threats.

I think they're aware of the new tech. I mean they must have figures for their own iTMS sales.

I think this is an attempt to align themselves with MS or any other iTMS-competitor.
 
Do it Universal, then see what I do next!

Go ahead play the turd, but once you do that I will learn of all the comapnies that Universal is tied in with and boycott their music. In fact what I will do is purchase cheap second hand cd's from a store.

Bunch of Ar.. Wipes!

Sick and tired of the anti Apple companies and media, really sick.
 
Anyone interested in a class-action libel suit against the record co's for calling us all thieves?
Why? You like making lawyers rich? Class action suits may hurt the target of the suit, but they do nothing to benefit the "victims" that the class supposedly consists on. All of the money goes to the lawyers.
The record industry have a lot of power. They can make or break online music stores, and they can do that with iTunes in a single breath.

1. They dictate terms to Apple, Apple refuse and labels withdraw from iTunes
2. Other music stores take note, and accept the music industry terms
3. Profit!
You forgot:
1a. They lose millions of dollars that they were making from iTunes, which they don't make back from any other medium, because the iTunes customers don't go to any other download service and don't buy the CDs.

1b. Shareholders demand to know why the labels are deliberately giving up all that money, simply to make a political statement.

1c. The labels quickly change their minds on this issue and pretend 1 never happened.

2a. Nobody cares what the dozens of other download services do. They were never making any money to begin with.
 
They must hate that they are selling so much music. We should all go back to using peer-to-peer networks to make them happy.

way ahead of you ;) it's obviously what they're trying to get us to do, idk, maybe the head of the RIAA is secretly the guy who runs the pirate bay...
 
Stupid record companies. They really do know how to shoot themselves in the foot. And what's with Universal. Didn't they also force MS to pay $1 per Zun sold?
 
Stupid record companies. They really do know how to shoot themselves in the foot. And what's with Universal. Didn't they also force MS to pay $1 per Zun sold?

Yes, because we're all thieves and they need to claw back all the money they've "lost" from us stealing their product.

Sheesh.
 
Like I said before.Universal is posturing for more money.

Apple Inc. denied reports Monday that record label Universal Music Group did not plan to renew its contract to sell songs on its online iTunes Store.

I don't really trust Apple PR either though. They've taken hints from Orwell on how to do PR.
 
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