PBG4 Dude
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Yeah, the lifting text from images seemed so cool before the CSAM announcements…
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University Researchers Who Built a CSAM Scanning System Urge Apple to Not Use the 'Dangerous' Technology
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IIGS User
macrumors 65816
Nothing to see here, we have control of the technology. All is good. You just don't understand it.
TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
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Don’t do it Apple. When’s enough is enough! This is making look Apple so bad
Love your avatar. There are so many lines from that episode that fit the situation...
PBG4 Dude
macrumors 601
The NSA with its arms open wide.
Nick05
macrumors regular
They use the word “could” because without the system it isn’t happening. Even if the possibility the system would not be abused is only a fraction of a percent they cannot use the word “will”. The reality is with the system it’s only a matter of time. They appear to have done a lot of research in this area and saw the issues with where it will lead. You don’t abandon or recommend no one use tech you spent that much effort building for no reason.
Darmok N Jalad
macrumors 603
For alternatives, you might check out the e Foundation. They are a non-profit group that offers deGoogle Android phones. They started in Europe and offer just one pre-configured basic smartphone for the US. I ordered from them a few weeks back when this started, and the shipping times are getting pushed back. I don’t know if that’s due to supply chain issues, this issue, or simply challenges as a small organization, but I’m going to give it a shot. Just be warned, it’s not going the have Apple-levels of power and convenience. My expectations of a phone are pretty low, so I think I can manage, but your results may vary.
Expos of 1969
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Ha, who can forget "There are no American tanks here" Baghdad Bob.
mrsebsin
macrumors member
Jesus Apple what the hell are you doing. Apologize and reverse your position on this. If you wanna scan iCloud that’s your prerogative, but I will not tolerate scanning MY DEVICES.
I’ve been in the Apple ecosystem for 30 plus years and have paid you countless dollars. If you do this I’m done.
I’ve been in the Apple ecosystem for 30 plus years and have paid you countless dollars. If you do this I’m done.
Mrjetsondc
macrumors regular
Apple is up to something. Is this a distraction from a bigger issue?
Expos of 1969
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Please let us know how it is once you have tried it for a few days.
riverfreak
macrumors 68000
what are the shipping times like to Tinagra?
DesertNomad
macrumors 6502a
Theo Belk
macrumors member
CSAM Is a massively bad idea but I doubt Apple will reverse course. They rarely do. I suspect this is being driven by fears of somehow being prosecuted for "storing” illegal materials on their server even if they have no control over it and have no access to the content.
oneMadRssn
macrumors 603
What is the alternative? Android? That is far from a privacy haven as well. Is there a third mobile operating system with a healthy app ecosystem?
I understand that we don't trust Apple to necessarily continue to do the right thing with regard to future government intrusions, but today in 2021, I trust Apple more than I trust Google. So on the balance of those two, I am not sure where else I can turn.
lolkthxbai
macrumors 65816
But it… kinda is. 🤷♂️
alexiaa
macrumors member
Well, Google will just scan your photos on server side. But I suppose you could use end to end encrypted cloud storage like MEGA.
scrapesleon
macrumors 68000
I thought Apple cared about privacy lol
I have a feeling this issue could be a make or break for Apple, after so many years of building upon privacy they are risking everything for this feature.
The potential for a disaster is there, it won't happen, but if it does it'll go in history books!
The potential for a disaster is there, it won't happen, but if it does it'll go in history books!
Infinite Vortex
macrumors 6502a
Unfortunately I feel all this is just the thin end of the wedge.
Denzo
macrumors 6502a
When this first announced I was all for it. Catch creeps and stop some young peoples future reputation and feelings being destroyed.
Now after some thought, I feel like this is dangerous as any technological advancement we’ve had.
the idea that they are going to do a “google” and basically use this current topic “save the children” to build up this all powerful tool at the expense of all that is possible - it’s actually beyond disturbing - and we pay them all that money for the privilege?
Now after some thought, I feel like this is dangerous as any technological advancement we’ve had.
the idea that they are going to do a “google” and basically use this current topic “save the children” to build up this all powerful tool at the expense of all that is possible - it’s actually beyond disturbing - and we pay them all that money for the privilege?
supercoolmanchu
macrumors 6502
Another alternative might be to spend the $ towards a laptop/desktop and a landline.
The cost from a cell plan also adds up, and when applied towards a computer, could provide some serious upgrades.
In a lockdown world, mobile is niche… and boring.
oneMadRssn
macrumors 603
I doubt that's the reason. I believe they actually believe they are using their market power to do something altruistic and good - snuff out CP.
TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
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They do! They’re trying hard to use it against you. I guess.
"A foreign government could, for example, compel a service to out people sharing disfavored political speech. That's no hypothetical: WeChat, the popular Chinese messaging app, already uses content matching to identify dissident material. India enacted rules this year that could require pre-screening content critical of government policy. Russia recently fined Google, Facebook and Twitter for not removing pro-democracy protest materials."
Without taking a side in this, none of those things in the above warning could be forced on Apple with what Apple says they're doing. Apple has a list of hashes and they're checking images uploaded to iCloud to see if they match that hash. WeChat's content matching would require text content analysis — totally different. The India example appears to be the same kind of thing (or maybe a requirement for human pre-screening, which is more different still). And the Russia example is where Russia identified posts or pictures and demanded they be removed; which is absolutely not the same thing.
So... this article seems to be people urging Apple not to proceed with its plans, based on warnings that have little to do with what Apple is actually doing.
Without taking a side in this, none of those things in the above warning could be forced on Apple with what Apple says they're doing. Apple has a list of hashes and they're checking images uploaded to iCloud to see if they match that hash. WeChat's content matching would require text content analysis — totally different. The India example appears to be the same kind of thing (or maybe a requirement for human pre-screening, which is more different still). And the Russia example is where Russia identified posts or pictures and demanded they be removed; which is absolutely not the same thing.
So... this article seems to be people urging Apple not to proceed with its plans, based on warnings that have little to do with what Apple is actually doing.