Unlimited Photostream space?

Discussion in 'iOS 7' started by spacehog371, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. spacehog371 macrumors regular

    Dec 13, 2003

    On the iOS 7 feature page, Apple says:

    "Tap the Year view and prepare to be amazed. Every photo and video you’ve ever taken appears onscreen, almost like artwork."

    This, as well as the way it was presented in the keynote, give the impression that you will have unlimited iCloud storage... otherwise how would you be able to view every photo and video you've ever taken.

    Can anyone shed light on whether or not a 1,000 photo limit still exists for photostream or the ios 7 equivalent?
  2. jabingla2810 macrumors 68020

    Oct 15, 2008
    As far as I know there is still a limit, it helps reduce the space photos take up in these smaller devices with less storage, so it makes sense to limit them.

    I think the page you link to refers to all the photos you can sync from your laptop/desktop.
  3. spacehog371 thread starter macrumors regular

    Dec 13, 2003
    It is mentioned in context of year view, and implies that you would keep years worth of photos and videos on your phone. Why would they put emphasis on year view when they know most people do not keep years of photos on their phone.
  4. SanjeevRana macrumors 6502a


    Aug 2, 2011
    I do ... have Albums starting from 2009 and thats why I get the 64 GB version ;) (Same set of albums on my Mac and Picasa as well !)
  5. jabingla2810 macrumors 68020

    Oct 15, 2008
    How do you know what MOST people do with their phone?
  6. spacehog371 thread starter macrumors regular

    Dec 13, 2003
    Because I do tech support for a living and am constantly dealing with people who run out of space on their iPhones, and 90% of the time running out of space is caused by photos and videos.

    Most people buy the 16GB version of the iPhone, and with apps and music and photos, it doesn't take long before there isn't room left. People then resort to deleting the least important things they can to make room for new stuff.


    You are not like most people. Most people do not have the 64GB version and cannot store years worth of photos and videos.

    Also, I doubt that you have every photo and video you've ever taken on your phone. That is what the feature listing above says. It doesn't say "Shows you every photo and video on your phone," it says "Every photo and video you've ever taken."

    This really should not be too hard to check, not sure why people here are more interested in talking about their use cases rather than answer the question.
  7. jabingla2810 macrumors 68020

    Oct 15, 2008
    I answered your question, and the first part of your quote backs me up. It makes sense to have a limit of 1000 photos on the photostream.

    What has confused you is Apple's marketing. Of course Apple markets the fact that you can easily look through years of photo's on your phone. Being in a position to do that isn't as easy as they make it seem, but it is possible.

    The photostream limit makes sense on iOS devices, and it hasn't changed.

    I answered the question and gave a reason in the first reply to this thread.

    PS. Sounds like you have a cool job, I wish I made a living helping people with Tech Support, rather than doing it in my free time anyway! :(
  8. spacehog371 thread starter macrumors regular

    Dec 13, 2003
    No, you didn't answer the question.

    You said:

    That doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't really help reduce the space photos take up in the smaller devices with less storage.

    Photostream in iOS 6 only backs up the last 1000 photos, and older photos are deleted.

    For someone who isn't backing up their photos to their computer (a ******** of people fall into this category), they cannot delete photos from their phone once they are in Photostream, as those photos will eventually be deleted and lost. Photostream acts as a backup for recent photos only, not an archive of photos.

    Apple definitely knows this, and they also know that most people are not going to have years of photos stored on their phone. This is why it would make sense that they allow people to have unlimited space in Photostream, as presumably Apple would want people to be able to use the feature where you can separate all of your pictures by year, moment, etc.

    Do photos in your photostream but not stored locally on the phone still show in the Year view?
  9. jabingla2810 macrumors 68020

    Oct 15, 2008
    Maybe we got our wires crossed along the way, but I haven absolutley no idea what you want somebody to say to you. Except, YES, there is still a limit of 1000 photos in photostream, which I said in my first post.

    Photos in photostream ARE stored locally, hence why they are limited to 1,000.

    Yes, photos in photostream show in year view.

    Yes, limiting photos in photostream to 1,000 helps reduce the space photos take up on iOS devices.
  10. bmms8 macrumors 68020

    Dec 19, 2007
    jablinga is correct. photo stream pictures are still stored locally on the device. In order to have more than 1000 i would recommend to create a shared photo stream even if you don't share with anyone. Each shared stream has a limit of 1000 as well, but if you need to have 2000 streamed pictures on your device you can create two shared streams.
  11. ominx macrumors 6502

    Jun 23, 2010
    As much as I love iCloud, the whole photostream implementation is terrible. It's not a gallery or backup solution. It truly is just a photo stream. Apple makes it worse by not explaining it very well.

    I recently setup a Synology NAS and now I truly have every picture and video ever taken available on my phone and all backed up on MY drives.
  12. dugbug macrumors 65816


    Aug 23, 2008
    Somewhere in Florida
    iPhoto on mac monitors your icloud photo stream and backs it up to your library.

    I have not checked yet if ios 7 adds videos to the standard photo stream like it does to the shared ones, and if iphoto will import that as well, but then you have a full apple-based photo+video automated solution.

    Assuming video support is in ios 7 The one aspect to that synology has is an ios viewer of your archive photo library. For that equivalent we would need to use some of the free iphoto-to-web apps that run on the mac, and use ios safari. There are some free iphoto-to-app apps that the ios app costs a few bucks.
  13. ominx macrumors 6502

    Jun 23, 2010
    I'm pretty sure videos are supported on iCloud Photo Streams now.

    But I tried so hard to use iPhoto but it is a dog... I have tons of photos and I got tired of constantly waiting on it. It was hardly automated.

    Also keep in mind there are other cameras that one may use besides the iPhone. ;) I also load up photos to the Synology box from my 5D and GR3 without having to waste time with an iPhoto library.

    I like to think of it like a modern age shoebox. I can through all my photos in it for safe keeping without worrying too much about managing it. Then, when I want to look at them, I can. At any time. If I need a certain photo for something, then I can proceed to manage and process.
  14. dugbug macrumors 65816


    Aug 23, 2008
    Somewhere in Florida

    sorry, by automated I am referring to the adding of photo stream photos to the database.

    Good point about other photo sources, those would have to be manual.

    The iphone still has the pain in the ass problem of removing photos that are backed up. You have to dock-and-import or manually delete photos you know to be stored elsewhere (for example by photo stream or by NAS IOS apps).
  15. ominx macrumors 6502

    Jun 23, 2010
    Yup, this part sucks. After uploading to my NAS, I always go back to the iOS Photo App and have to reselect the photos I just uploaded. It's usually not a big deal if it's a dozen or so, but if it's a bunch that aren't consecutive days it can be tedious.

    Synology's iPhone App DS Photo+ now supports automatic upload of every photo taken to a specified folder on the NAS (Hopefully they can take advantage of iOS 7s new backgrounding APIs to eliminate time-outs that force the opening of the app every so often). I created a folder named Camera Roll and all the photos and videos are dumped there. Then I can move the individual photos to the correct albums as necessary. It eliminates the panic I have when deleting anything from the iPhone Camera Roll.

    "Wait, was it 32 or 33 photos?" Crap, did I forget that one!" ;)
  16. Lm1980 macrumors newbie

    Sep 4, 2012
    I know this thread is quite old now but I had the same problem with photostream as the original poster has. I wanted ALL my photos and videos accessible on all devices and a backup included.

    I ditched photostream as it is very limited. My wife and I have iPhones (5+5s), an iPad and Apple TV. We also have a laptop (used as a NAS). I found that with photos on photostream they are not a true duplicate of the original photo. When I took a photo with a file size of 2.5MB I'd find it'd be less than 1MB on photostream. So what odd I thought. So not only does photostream limit the amount of photos to 1000 they also reduce size/quality (correct me if I'm wrong please).

    I found a solution in the form of Dropbox. It syncs my camera roll (photos and videos) where ever I am. I tend to use it with wifi only to save data costs. Using Dropbox has more benefits than photostream. Dropbox acts as a backup but also pushes content to any device I want, apple or android or what ever Dropbox runs on. With my laptop it acts as a NAS locally at home so I have two backups in reality.

    This way my wife has here photos synced/backed up and can view my photos etc. Shane apple don't implement this system into iCloud. Would be easier than having multiple apps doing similar duties.

    Also, Dropbox syncs the photos/videos at there true size.
  17. Htin macrumors regular


    Mar 6, 2013
    yeah i am too using the dropbox method but it won't be sufficient any much longer.... :(
  18. charlituna macrumors G3


    Jun 11, 2008
    Los Angeles, CA
    Yep. Your personal photostream is 1000 photos that 'rotate' every 30 days.

    Plus up to 100 shared streams with 1000 items each which never auto delete.
  19. Philotech macrumors member

    Oct 25, 2010
    Not quite. Upload to Photo Stream does not reduce the size / quality, and neither does download to your Photo Stream-enabled PC or Mac. Only on other iDevices, the Photo Stream pictures are reduced (in think in size). Therefore, as long as you fire up your PC / Mac at least once a month or once every 1000 pics taken, you have full-size and full-quality photos in iPhoto, Aperture, or the Photo Stream folder on your PC.

    What makes PS still less than ideal is that videos still are not uploaded.
  20. spooky2k macrumors 6502a


    Apr 14, 2008
    When you download a photo to an iDevice from photo stream, you get a mobile optimised version. Using it on iPhoto on your Mac gets you the original quality version.

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