Unofficial 64-bit support in Boot Camp?

[mzeb]

Nothin' Stopping You

Can i run xp 32 and xp 64 in the same macpro, have them both installed at the same time like a dual boot?

Yes you absolutely can. There are a couple ways of doing this. 1) you can let the EFI sort it out and use the hold down option boot selection or startup disk OR 2) you can use boot.ini to sort out where you're booting from on the windows side. Option 1 is probably preferable

 

[knome]

You can run as many operating systems as you have available hard drive space for partitions.

The drivers will work in any 64bit windows os that apple says it supports.

It seems to work on any apple that has 64bit capability. (any intel type except ones with the "core duo" processors.)

It even has the 32 bit drivers in the zip so any 32 bit operating system can also use the drivers.

64 bit isn't recommended unless you have more than 2gb of ram (xp/vista 32 only will see up to 1.98gb of ram in an apple machine [firmware issue], unlike windows that can support up to 3 or 4) If you have more than 2 it is recommended if you will be using the extra ram. Currently 64bit windows is kinda buggy. Many applications are poorly coded for it often crash or behave poorly. 64 bit also has a problem where drivers are often also poorly coded for it. But this isn't an issue with the drivers in the current apple line up.

I myself have vista 64 and xp 32 installed on my computer.

There is only one difference between ultimate/home/business that is home i believe doesn't support multiple processors. Other than that the only other difference is the extra dodads and silly little features. Like media center and other BS that most people will never use. The core of the system is all the same and most people can pass with the bare bones. I run business, it was 100 bucks cheaper and it has everything in need. If you don't need all the extra (in my opinion not worth the money) crap then don't buy it.

Partition size should be at least 35 gb and also do not use fat32 file system. I used a 55gb partition and i have to continually clean out the files so i have room.

Vista does not have a boot.ini it uses an application called bcdedit. Its kinda screwy and has the potential to really screw up the system. I.E. deleting your own boot record making windows unbootable. The apple method is so much better.

 

[itslow]

The drivers will work in any 64bit windows os...

Are you certain that the drivers posted will work with the 64-bit version of XP Pro?

I am unable to download the multiple RAR archives due to network restrictions. Is there anything in them that would be applicable to a SantaRosa MacBook Pro running 64-bit XP? Is there an Apple provided driver for the built-in MBP wireless networking?

 

[knome]

Are you certain that the drivers posted will work with the 64-bit version of XP Pro?

I am unable to download the multiple RAR archives due to network restrictions. Is there anything in them that would be applicable to a SantaRosa MacBook Pro running 64-bit XP? Is there an Apple provided driver for the built-in MBP wireless networking?

Most of the drivers that were included in this bundle are not updated from the drivers released before. Most of the drivers vista and xp actually find for you. The only benefit i've found from using this package over using the ones vista found is that the apple branded bluetooth and keyboard buttons now work.

I don't know if it will work in xp 64 bit. It depends on who makes the wireless chip for the mbp. Included in this bundle is the broadcom, idt sigmatel, marvel, motororla, and atheros, intel, nvidia, ati, and apple branded drivers.

There is a good chance it has the chipset drivers in the package because there are quite a few in the folder.

If you haven't installed it, install it. If it acts funny then delete the system. If it looks like it is behaving fine then go for it. Its all up to you.

 

[deg3D]

Thanks very much for those 64 drivers equis.zero.

I guess you just run them once Vista is all installed...? (Not really a Windows guy eh...)

Also, can anyone tell me what size partition is good for installing Vista-64 Home Premium?

Thanks,
deg

 

[Cromulent]

If you go out buying Vista Ultimate do not get the system builders version of Ultimate.It only includes the 32-bit version.

Incorrect.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123047

 

[deg3D]

I don't get it, Vista can't see my Mac partition or my other hard-drives?

And it refuses to accept my user name and password when trying to connect to my other Macs...

I had a feeling this was going to be a headache...

Any help and/or insights are much appreciated.

deg

 

[knome]

I don't get it, Vista can't see my Mac partition or my other hard-drives?

And it refuses to accept my user name and password when trying to connect to my other Macs...

I had a feeling this was going to be a headache...

Any help and/or insights are much appreciated.

deg

1. Vista does not support the HSF+ filling system, which is what osx uses. So you will not be able to see your mac formated drives or any drive that will show up in mac, except for ones formated in FAT32. And that isn't recommended unless you don't care about the data on the drive.

2. windows is pickey, have you enabled windows sharing on your other macs?

Thanks very much for those 64 drivers equis.zero.

I guess you just run them once Vista is all installed...? (Not really a Windows guy eh...)

Also, can anyone tell me what size partition is good for installing Vista-64 Home Premium?

Thanks,
deg

1. Yes that is the only way.

2. Vista needs at least 30 gigs. So it just depends what you can spare above that. Usually around 50+ gigs is the norm.

 

[deg3D]

1. Vista does not support the HSF+ filling system, which is what osx uses. So you will not be able to see your mac formated drives or any drive that will show up in mac, except for ones formated in FAT32. And that isn't recommended unless you don't care about the data on the drive.

2. windows is pickey, have you enabled windows sharing on your other macs?



1. Yes that is the only way.

2. Vista needs at least 30 gigs. So it just depends what you can spare above that. Usually around 50+ gigs is the norm.

Thanks very much knome.

Yeah, I have sharing all turned on, and my other XP/Pro PC has no problem seeing my Macs OK.

And friend tipped me off to this thread, so I am going to look that over and see what I can come up with.

Got all the x64 drivers installed OK, and all seems to be running fine.

I went with 62GB and NTFS (is that it...?), and I believe that is the only format Vista 64 allows you to do (if I caught that correctly in the docs). And Boot Camp only allows FAT at 32GB and under.

Thanks very much again mate.

deg

 

[Cromulent]

I would just like to say a huge thank you to the OP and everyone else. I'll be getting my copy of Vista Ultimate 64 today and was not really looking forward to having to kludge the drivers. Now at least I can get everything working perfectly.

It appears (and this may be wrong) that Apple will include official support for 64 bit Windows Vista as part of the Mac OS X 10.5.2 update. Anyone else think this is likely?

So out of the download options above which do I need? The four part RAR files or the small ZIP file?

 

[Frommel]

Finally finished uploading the whole Drivers folder (stupid residence bandwidth limit). This contains all Apple and non-Apple drivers and the install file BootCamp64.exe under Drivers/Apple/. This is really only required if you're doing a fresh install and don't have the required non-Apple drivers already. I had to RAR it into 4 pieces due to upload limits.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

Use this acount to download the drivers a.. bit faster!
but its only 48 hours working.

Login: 3546940
Password: jhnK73vsWG
Valid until: Sun, 3. Feb 2008

 

[JonR356]

Running 64 bit Vista home premium on my early 08 Mac Pro here with no problems.

Experience index scores are:
Processor - 5.9
RAM - 5.9
Graphics - 5.9
Gaming graphics - 5.5
Primary HD (WD Caviar 16 cache, 500GB) - 5.7

Base score - 5.5. Blasted ATI 2600!

 

[Cromulent]

Just installed Windows Ultimate 64 and things seem to be working well, except for the fact that it needs to download 47 odd updates from Windows Update.

Having some problems with my dual monitor setup though . How do you disable to second monitor?

 

[yellowsnow]

I just tried putting that stuff on my Macbook Pro core2duo running leopard and Vista ultimate x64. Most things work like the bluetooth, keyboard stuff, double fingered stuff from the trackpad, but the wireless still won't detect. Does anyone know if there's a way to enable the wireless card from the drivers that were uploaded... or if not if there's some other workaround? Thanks

 

[drawingtank]

I just tried putting that stuff on my Macbook Pro core2duo running leopard and Vista ultimate x64. Most things work like the bluetooth, keyboard stuff, double fingered stuff from the trackpad, but the wireless still won't detect. Does anyone know if there's a way to enable the wireless card from the drivers that were uploaded... or if not if there's some other workaround? Thanks

hello ev1 am new to the forum and to mac as well

yellowsnow, did you manage to get the wireless working on the mbp

i just bought a mbp and i would love to instal xp 64 in it
could you tell me which drivers did you use and what were the steps to instal them for in the bootcamp instructions it says to insert the osx cd while under windows ?
could you just put the drivers in a flash card ?
anyway thanks for helping out

 

[barefeats]

We are running Vista 64 on our Mac Pro. We used the Vista 64 drivers for the graphics cards. Works fine other than the clock. We didn't know about BootCamp64.exe. I'll check that out.

 

[drawingtank]

hi guys
i installed the xp64 on my mbp and it installed ok
the only problem is that windows is at a realy low res
so i tried to install the driver for nvidia geforce 8600gt for xp64

( 169.21 forceware_winxp_64bit_english.whql.exe)

i got this message " the nvidia setup program could not locate the driver that are compatible with the hardware"

i thought this was the driver ? no


on the chipset side i tried to install the following:
crystalbreachinstaller64.exe
INTEL965XPSETUP.EXE
intelethernetinstaller.exe

i got this message for the intel 965xpsetup.exe
"the computer does not meet the minimum requirement for installing this software"

on the other 2 i double clicked and nothing happened ,no response ?

ps: do i need only one .exe file per driver ?

for audio i choose :
REALTECKSETUP.EXE

haven't tried yet

ethernet:
MARVELXPINSTALLER.EXE

haven't tried yet

also i did not find any bootcamp64.exe, where is it located
i got the leopard cd 10.5 ? or is it in the zip files?

anyway after i installed xp64 do i hav to install bootcamp6.exe still?
thanks in advance for any help

 

[drawingtank]

update
i started in windows mode and i loaded the leopard cd to access the bootcamp drivers

i got this message:

" BOOTCAMP REQUIRES THAT YOUR COMPUTER IS RUNNING WINDOWS XP SP2 OR VISTA"

so i cant even access the cd!

i also tried to instal the nvidia drivers from the zip files
nvidiamobilesetup.exe- nvidiaxpmobilesetup.exe...
they were all 32 bit ...

i really need to get this working asap
could someone give me a link so i can download bootcamp64.exe for xp64
thank you for helping

 

[kitenski]

running 32 bit Vista I get these scores, everything "stock"

Processor - 5.9
RAM - 5.9
Graphics - 5.9
Gaming graphics - 5.5
Primary HD (standard that came with machine) - 5.9

Base score - 5.5

 

[TBi]

hi guys
i installed the xp64 on my mbp and it installed ok
the only problem is that windows is at a realy low res
so i tried to install the driver for nvidia geforce 8600gt for xp64

( 169.21 forceware_winxp_64bit_english.whql.exe)

i got this message " the nvidia setup program could not locate the driver that are compatible with the hardware"


i thought this was the driver ? no

nVidia mobile chips work perfectly well with the standard drivers but you have to trick the drivers into seeing the card. You do this by modifying the inf installation file.

I don't really know about the rest of the stuff though.

 

[drawingtank]

nVidia mobile chips work perfectly well with the standard drivers but you have to trick the drivers into seeing the card. You do this by modifying the inf installation file.

I don't really know about the rest of the stuff though.

hi TBI, and thank you for replying

does any one know how to trick the driver into seeing the nvidia card ?

how about the intel chipset INTEL965XPSETUP.EXE

why do i get
" computer does not meet the minimum requirement for installing this
software"

also need to install
audio
ethernet

could some help out

the only thing i did manage to instal was the 15 mb x64 driver folder, but that was bluetooth, keyboard...

the 4 zips have so many drivers that i am very confused, could someone point out what i should use in detail

and whats up with the bootcamo cd, why cant i access it ?
thanks again

 

[TBi]

how about the intel chipset INTEL965XPSETUP.EXE

why do i get
" computer does not meet the minimum requirement for installing this
software"

also need to install
audio
ethernet

Bootcamp is only for XP32bit and Vista 32bit and 64bit.

Are you sure you have all the right drivers? Are they all 64bit? Windows update should update all the drivers you need as long as you get online.

The problem is that although the hardware is standard, apple has changed the identifiers so the drivers think that the hardware is different or unsupported. If you know what you are doing you can add these identifiers to the drivers .inf (they are only text files) and they can install.

The fun part is figuring out how to do this

 

[XianPalin]

And it refuses to accept my user name and password when trying to connect to my other Macs...

I had a feeling this was going to be a headache...

Any help and/or insights are much appreciated.

deg

On the connecting to other Macs, I ran Vista a while back and had a similar problem, I bookmarked these cause I figured I would need them again eventually:

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-6174105.html

http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/codemonkeybusiness/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270746

From the first article:

Note that, in some cases, I've seen Windows Vista refuse to process the username/password properly between the Windows and Mac. While I haven't encountered the problem in Vista Business, I've seen it occur when using Vista Ultimate. To enable access to shared Macintosh resources within Vista Ultimate:

1. Click Start.
2. Type secpol.msc in the search box and press Enter.
3. Windows Vista will display a warning message; click Continue.
4. Windows Vista's Local Security Policy console will appear. Highlight Local Policies.
5. Double-click Security Options.
6. Scroll down to the Network Security: LAN Manager Authentication Level policy entry and double-click it.
7. Change the value from the default setting of Send MTLMv2 Response Only to Send LM & NTLM -- Use NTLMv2 Session Security If Negotiated, then click OK. (Figure J).
8. Close the Local Security Policy console.

 

[rds]

To login to your Mac via SMB, use "<Computer Name>\username" as the username.

For example, if Vista shows my computer as RDS and my username is rds, I would use RDS\rds as the username.

 

[lssmit02]

Installed Vista 64, tests to see if installed properly?

I installed Vista 64 on my Mac Pro 2006 (with Radeon x1900) yesterday, with the Apple 64-bit drivers posted by equis.zero. (Thanks! BTW) Vista starts up as expected. I was even able to get an Apple bluetooth keyboard working.

Is there any way to verify that the 64 bit drivers installed properly, and that all is as it should be? I assume that it would not boot if there were serious installation problems, but want to avoid issues later.

Thanks.