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9d34 seeded, one fix after a week-long interval between the previous seed. Could this be the final build?

Thanks for the update.

I am so torn on 10.5.3. On the one hand, Leopard is really, really buggy and I want to get as many fixes as I can as soon as possible. On the other hand the unreliable mess that Leopard is makes me want Apple to take their time and get things right.

I just hope .3 is the stable release we should have gotten in the first place. (Same goes with the server version...which is buggier than the client version.)
 
Thanks for the update.

I am so torn on 10.5.3. On the one hand, Leopard is really, really buggy and I want to get as many fixes as I can as soon as possible. On the other hand the unreliable mess that Leopard is makes me want Apple to take their time and get things right.

I just hope .3 is the stable release we should have gotten in the first place. (Same goes with the server version...which is buggier than the client version.)

I know I'm going to open a can of worms here with you Apple Fan boys but this just makes me laugh. 😀 I want to state for the record that I have OS X on my PC that I use for one thing, and one thing only: video editing.

Leopard has made me laugh in all honesty. Last night, I saw a commercial that made fun of Vista because of all of its "flaws". I personally know over 50 people that use Vista and have had next to NOTHING for problems. Let me share with you a few things that I think show just how over-hyped OSX is:

1) Vista is buggy -- While there were some MINOR issues before SP1, it was not really that big of a deal. I've had Vista since it came out. I'll NEVER go back to XP. Oh, and yeah, that's Vista 64-bit mind you, the one that supposedly has "driver" issues. uh...yeah.

2) Backwards compatible -- You guys all remember when OS X came out? It was new, it was shinny, and it had hardly ANY backwards compatibility. You had to load the OS 9 emulation to get some stuff to work. That was a joke, and a nightmare. Vista has had some backward compatibility issues, but I mean COME ON! How long do people really expect software that was written years ago to continue working?! The idea with a new OS is to move FORWARD, not keep dragging one foot behind in the past. Newer versions of OS X has killed older apps that used to run in the old OS X 10.0-10.3 days.

3) Macs don't get viruses -- This one makes me laugh so hard! This is the biggest lie in the world. Macs are just as susceptible as PCs are to get viruses, it's just that people don't bother writing viruses for an OS that a very small percentage of the market is using. Honestly, if you are going to invest your time in something like a virus, do you want to hit just a few people? No, you want to do the most damage to the most users that you can. Anyone remember the hacking contest between a MAC, PC, and a Linux box? The MAC was hacked first. Granted, it was due to a flaw that was inherent to each OS that used Java (I think it was), but still the fact remains that they are not impervious to viruses or malware.
One more thing I'd like to point out about viruses, but I'll leave that to the part about the Vista UAC.

4) Stuff just works on a MAC -- Give credit where credit is due. Stuff does just work on a MAC. Why? Because they only write code for a VERY small amount of hardware. Windows (and linux) has to work on thousands, millions, maybe even billions of hardware configurations. Windows stability issues are usually due to crappy drivers by hardware manufacturers not the platform itself (Although I'd like to remind the reader that I have had NO problems with Vista since getting it in Jan 07). Don't get crappy hardware, and you don't get an OS that acts like it's drunk.

5) Vista's UAC (User Account Control) -- For those of you who don't know what this is, let me help educate you. You know on OS X when you install something, or do an update, or change system files, or whatever it asks you for your password? That's what Vista's UAC is/does. People who used Windows XP and prior OS's were annoyed at first by it, but soon realized that it wasn't that bad and that it actually does help prevent intrusions into the computer. People at Apple saw this as an opportunity to make fun of it, knowing full well that OS X does the exact same thing. The other day, a third party group wanted to test the effectiveness of anti-virus software on Vista. They wanted to install a root-kit to see if the anti-viruses would be successful in not only detecting, but removing it. To their astonishment, they found that they could not install the root-kit because Vista's UAC would block it. They actually had to turn off Vista's UAC in order to get it to install. Useless indeed... 😎

6) Software -- Hah...this is a joke in and of itself. OS X for being so wonderful and all has NOTHING in the way of software. Not to mention that games are a joke if you want a MAC. If you are lucky, you'll get a port of something that was very popular on the PC a few months down the road. Which leads finally to my last point...

7) Hardware cost vs. value -- My computer (which you could call a Mac Pro) has a Quad Core, 8 Gigs of high performance ram, 1.5 TB hard drive space, blu-ray, 24" monitor, and a high-end gaming card, all in the price range of $1800 WITH the monitor. Mac Pros start out at like $2500 w/o the screen. Granted the new ones are now with Dual-Quad core Xeons, but seriously, it's not worth the extra money. Couple that with high end graphics cards and hard drive space and that price goes up quite a bit on the Mac Pro. Oh, and did I mention that I can actually WATCH Blu-ray movies on my PC instead of just being able to see the disc on OS X and can't do anything with it?

Conclusion: Do MACs deliver on their promises? Sure, they are stable for what they do, sure they have some pieces of software that's quite good. For the money, not even close. OS X isn't flawless and has it's problems just as much as Windows or Linux. No OS is perfect and I give props to them for some of the stuff that they do well (hence why I have OS X installed). My point? Mac fan boys and Apple shouldn't bash Vista (just as PC fan boys shouldn't doc OS X). Each has their strengths and weaknesses, and nothing is perfect.

P.S. Sorry to the last poster, but you're problem just gave me the perfect opportunity to talk about all this.
 
I know I'm going to open a can of worms here with you Apple Fan boys but this just makes me laugh. 😀 I want to state for the record that I have OS X on my PC that I use for one thing, and one thing only: video editing.

You just joined the forum with this alias. I'm just wondering ... what is your other other alias? The one your normally use?

Cheers.
🙂:apple:
 
3) Macs don't get viruses -- This one makes me laugh so hard! This is the biggest lie in the world. Macs are just as susceptible as PCs are to get viruses, it's just that people don't bother writing viruses for an OS that a very small percentage of the market is using.

Wrong!
... and security flaws are not viruses.
 
Ok, so I just installed 10.5.3 and I have a ton of problems. It first began with the OS completely freezing. Then, safari, itunes, ical would not respond; then the worst thing happened.. the os would not shut down or restart. Then after a hard restart the os will not load, instead it keeps restarting itself.. I took it in to get looked at today.. I would not be surprised if the update is to blame.

sigh..
 
10.5.3

I'm pretty new to Apple and OS X, but have been a Unix user for 20 years. I logged in this AM and saw a message telling me there was an update, so I said sure ... why not. I ended up with 10.5.3. Here is what I experienced ...

1) After the reboot stuff was slow. I thought things weren't loading at all, but the system was just slow. That disappeared in a couple of minutes.

2) I had my system configured not to adjust screen brightness based on ambient light. After the upgrade, that attribute had been reset ... a nit.

3) In addition to my touchpad, I use a bluetooth mouse. The mouse worked fine, the touchpad worked fine, the button on the touchpad didn't work. Rebooting is something I just don't usually do on my servers, but I said to hell with it and rebooted.

4) Now the mouse works, the touchpad works, and the touchpad button works ... for a few minutes, then the mouse quits working. Batteries are good and lights are on, but no go. Hmmm. Try to open the Bluetooth utility and it hangs with that stupid rainbow colored spinning wheel. Option-Command-Esc and Force Quit Bluetooth ... now the System Preferences window is hung. Option-Command-Esc does nothing. Hit the power button for a hard reset.

5) Power up. Now the mouse works, the touchpad works, and the touchpad button works ... and it all keeps working. Until I get home from work. I load up my VPN client to login and the VPN client says there is no available internet connection. I have Safari open and am receiving email while I read the error message. I reinstall the Cicso VPN client and it connects with no problem.

I had no real issues with 10.5.2. I hope today was not a harbinger of things to come.
 
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