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Easy to say right now, but that falls down when most major apps decide to leave the app store to avoid the fee to Apple. Then you'll only be able to get small-time games and utilities from the app store, and if you want any real functionality you'll have to sideload because all the major publishers only put their apps out that way.
consider sideloading is already a thing on android, and no one is really complaining. i doubt this catastrophic event you anticipate will happen.
 
Come on Federighi, "take away [the] choice of a more secure platform."? Are you serious? Just add an option to enable sideloading like Android did and users will have the choice.

Compete with different payment options on the platform and you will win. Just collecting 30% Apple tax will soon be gone - and it is Apples fault. Apple could have been more open and less greedy.
 
I am European, and I love being safe with Apple about malware by using the app store. But I also think it should be a user's choice whether to use a side loading ability.

The narrative according to which side loading would "limit freedom" seems very hypocritical, to me.
 
I could see Apple closing down the App Store and making it no longer a marketplace but a smorgasboard that is readily accessible for a fee. They already do that with Apple Arcade. They could likely do the same for other lines : Apple Write (Notability, iAWriter, Evernote, MindNode), Apple Work (Craft, Things, Pixelmator) etc. Deals then are made directly with the developers and the "market" is closed. Not sure if that completely avoid the DMA issue. But it would be a interesting if it was tried.
 
Probably driven by the other guys that benefit from this. Apple needs to find the right people to influence. :D
 
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I would personally like to see this not happening. I didn't pay for such an expensive device so that I can have an open system. I still use android devices but that's when I want to experiment with things and don't care about the device. My personal information is in these iDevices and I'd prefer them to be locked down secure. I don't trust any android device period. hence not having personal information stored on my android devices!
Then don't sideload, it's that simple.
 
At worst, the next step will be: Require Apple to allow governments to preload software on all phones sold in the region.

At best, the next step will be: Zero Day exploit that runs through contact lists and exploits everyone’s data because of just one person who sideloaded “Flappy Bird Returns!”(_V1rus H@x De@th Bl0w).

Awesome.

I'm not sure why preventing sideloading and increases surveillance are always presented as two sides of the same coin.

Central distribution of software and central review is the absolute best thing that could happen to a surveillance state. Mandate the back door and mandate that the device manufacturer or App Store operator must ensure it's included, otherwise no dice.

Sideloading prevents that, to some degree, because users could still install applications from trusted sources not subject to those requirements.
 
Easy to say right now, but that falls down when most major apps decide to leave the app store to avoid the fee to Apple. Then you'll only be able to get small-time games and utilities from the app store, and if you want any real functionality you'll have to sideload because all the major publishers only put their apps out that way.
Then Apple can adjust their terms to actually compete in the market instead of monopolizing it.
 

By side loading of applicactions, Apple are no longer responsible for any software on your devices, or any data losses that may ensue

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I don't think that would be legal... they would most likely limit support to only apps downloaded from the App Store
 
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If this were a bad sit-com Apple would just go full in and make an "iPhone E" model that doesn't support iCloud or the App Store at all and only allows sideloading, runs a variant iOS that only that device supports and force people to agree to a ToS that tells them basically, "don't come complaining to us when something weird happens to your phone, it's sold as-is. Contact the developer. Enjoy!"

Or just make an iPhone that runs android and sell it only in the EU for the same price as a real iPhone and call it the "iPhone EU."
 
Just release a different version of iOS for EU and the secure version for everyone else. Apple already has a different iOS version for iCloud in China.
If Apple is worried that iPhone devices will get hacked by side loading just remove all connectivity to iMessage and iCloud in the EU version.
When you toggle side loading your device reboots and disables all Apple features like iMessage, FaceTime and iCloud.
If you toggle side loading off it reboots and deleted all apps that were side loaded and reenables Apple services.
I'd guess a lot of enthusiasts would import the EU version then. I know I would.

Apple then also has to deal with the barrage of users outside of the EU who call in having issues installing some open source app distributed as an IPA that EU users can freely install.

If they disable iCloud features the moment you sideload an app, that will be seen as malicious compliance, I'm almost sure of it and action would be taken against them to correct that behavior.
 
Apple should give its customers more credit. Nobody is forcing anyone to sideload. I sure as hell won't, except for maybe a couple of video game system emulators.
Yes they will. The other big tech companies like Adobe, Microsoft, Google, Facebook will immediately pull their apps and force side loading so they can spam ads and invasive tracking that breaks Apple's rules.

Then iPhone will be like Android with no money for devs and everything is super scammy "freemium".
 
DMA is trash bill. Sideloading is the least of the problem. When various third parties start suing Apple for access to private hardware and APIs that Apple restricted because of privacy or bugginess, then the real “fun” starts.

Oh, and wasn't there just a report of how malware is being distributed on iOS through TestFlight (and avoiding the App Store)? As I’ve said before though, Apple‘s refusal to compromise on commissions has directly led to the creation of this sort of legislation. Consumers will be the ones hurt in the fallout.
 
Until an app you need becomes only available via sideloading.
Doubtful that would happen.

If an app is only available because of sideloading, it likely was never allowed in the App Store to begin with.

No company would give up the exposure that the App Store offers, they would almost certainly stay on it even if they do release a more capable version outside of it.
 
To all you guys whining:

Sideloading would take away the power from e.g. the russian government to disable the Nawalny App by simply telling Apple to remove it from the AppStore. It would take away the power from the Chinese government to remove the HKMapp app.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/technology/apple-hong-kong-app.html

Last but not least - allowing different payment options takes away the power from Apple to collect insane Apple taxes. Apple will be forced to enter competition again - and competition is a good thing.
 
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