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I would personally like to see this not happening. I didn't pay for such an expensive device so that I can have an open system. I still use android devices but that's when I want to experiment with things and don't care about the device. My personal information is in these iDevices and I'd prefer them to be locked down secure. I don't trust any android device period. hence not having personal information stored on my android devices!

So are u going to pay a fortune to live in a jail instead of a home? Because jail its more secure than a home...
Anyway, no one will aim a handgun at your head forcing you to sideload apps. You will still can download apps from app store ignoring sideloading feature
 
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At worst, the next step will be: Require Apple to allow governments to preload software on all phones sold in the region.

At best, the next step will be: Zero Day exploit that runs through contact lists and exploits everyone’s data because of just one person who sideloaded “Flappy Bird Returns!”(_V1rus H@x De@th Bl0w).

Awesome.
You do realise that Russia asked and Apple complied to that?
 
That does bring up the question of forcing upgrades and downgrades.
Fundamentally, it's the same iOS. Just Apple will remove everything they normally add. As a user, you side load everything from there. As that OS built for it. They still patch it, but without having to worry about any of the apps except, Phone. I would personally even take away the built in iMessage. You just get the phone.
When you get the device and choose that life. You are offered 3 browsers (Safari, Chrome, Firefox, and maybe another) that auto download. For everything else, go to your computer, plug in and get whatever else you need. However you can. You choose this life, live it! ;)
 
Fundamentally, it's the same iOS. Just Apple will remove everything they normally add. As a user, you side load everything from there. As that OS built for it. They still patch it, but without having to worry about any of the apps Except, Phone. I would personally even take away the built in iMessage. You just get the phone.
When you get the device and choose that life. You are offered 3 browsers (Safari, Chrome, Firefox, and maybe another). For everything else, go to your computer, plug in and get whatever else you need.
That seems like a nice idea, in principle.
 
Great, some sketchy app that reads my heart rate data and leaves that data open to every other app on my phone? No thanks. Insurance companies would love that!

Ex: Next time you want life insurance the company tells you about their great, streamlined application via your phone, you download it and BAM, it grabs all the data it can from other apps on your phone like heart rate monitors or blood pressure monitors and just like that...... high premiums for you.

Same goes for auto insurance apps, only a matter of time before they start collecting location data to determine if you are speeding. Or maybe they will just skim data from your EZ-Pass app?
You know you‘ll have to pair Bluetooth devices? Guess I know the answer.
An App that turns my watch into a heart rate belt so I can PAIR it with any e.g. bicycle computer I want? Give it to me! Please!

And if Apple doesn‘t want to - maybe someone else writes a little App or maybe I‘ll do it myself.
 
Anyway, no one will aim a handgun at your head forcing you to sideload apps. You will still can download apps from app store ignoring sideloading feature

Ug, this again, stop acting as if all apps will remain on the Apple App store if alt-stores are required to be allowed by legislation, they will not.

Do you really believe that apps like Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft Office, Fortnite etc. will continue to be offered via the Apple App store if these developers are allowed to host their own iOS app stores?

Game stores like Steam and Epic (once they make one) will compete for big titles with "exclusive distribution" agreements and those games will fall off of the Apple App store.

Facebook and Amazon will also try to whore up data by offering exclusive distribution deals to popular apps, the cost of this of course will be the loss of data transparency as the terms of this exclusivity will include full access to the data your app collects by the parent store.

Other apps will abandon the Apple store so that the do not need to comply with the privacy requirements that Apple imposes.
 
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This is just one of the things Apple will have to face for acting anticompetitive, sadly the world is busy dealing with an other Crook, this might delay things a bit.
 
You may have missed the part of the EU's proposal that mandates "effective use" be possible and "obligations to ensure interoperability".
I wish the EU would just make their own iPhone. They seem hell set on telling others how to make one. Best way is to do it yourself no?
Weighing that against "proportionate measures to ensure that third party software applications or software application stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system provided by the gatekeeper" will certainly be up to interpretation and I'm sure that lawyers will have a field day on this one.
Field day is not even close. This statement is ridiculous at best and cosmically stupid at worst. How can Apple ensure other 3rd party software works without breaking its hardware/software. When this law just punched an iceberg sized hole in the ship? How is that even possible to state? Apple is now responsible for this BS law by ensuring other stores work just as well as it's own. Even though, it's not Apple's store? Do they hear themselves? You will take proportionate measures to ensure... We did that already. Whatever EU.
But no, hardball sandboxing to lock out third-party apps wouldn't fly - it would just open up more regulatory action, fines and legal action.
I still think my option works best here. Apple provides the user with a choice when they initially setup the device. You pick "OPEN", or "Normal" iOS. If you pick Normal, you do things the way it has always been. If you pick OPEN, you get to download a few web browsers, and the phone app is preinstalled. Everything you side load. Apple provides iOS updates to insure the operating system is as safe as they can make it without breaking your ability to basically make it as unsafe as possible.
 
Easy to say right now, but that falls down when most major apps decide to leave the app store to avoid the fee to Apple. Then you'll only be able to get small-time games and utilities from the app store, and if you want any real functionality you'll have to sideload because all the major publishers only put their apps out that way.
Yep, it's what happens w Macs. If someone isn't smart enough, or educated enough, to know to trust Adobe's own website to download their apps from, then maybe its just not safe for them to even use a computer or smart phone.
 
This is what will happen. They'll force Apple to put in sideloading. All these "experts" who think they know what they're doing (and 80% of them don't), will sideload something they think is cool, but will end up being rife with malware and infect their devices. Then these "experts" will go to Apple and say "here, fix this...something's wrong..." and then Apple will probably, on top of all this, have to fix their screwed up device which costs them more. Because if they say "if you sideload anything, you'll void your warranty", then the EU will smack their hand and make them do it anyway.

So Apple needs to weigh paying the fines and keeping it off their devices, or paying for more tech support people to fix people's broken phones that they'll be inundated with. It's a lose-lose for Apple and from what I can tell, that makes so many people here, on an Apple centric website, happy.
Or Apple can fix this on their own terms and render legislation like this largely moot while they still have time, which is expiring quickly.
 
Tim should employ you immediately. Throw away a multi billion market. Go for it! And the the US prepares another bill. So shut down the US market as well. ?
I'm in favor of exiting the EU over this. Let Google deal with it. Let the EU have just one device.
The US is not going to go anywhere near as far as the EU. We are capitalists, not whatever the EU is.
 
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I'm in favor of exiting the EU over this. Let Google deal with it. Let the EU have just one device.
The US is not going to go anywhere near as far as the EU. We are capitalists, not whatever the EU is.

Erm... ok.

That seems a tad extreme.
 
Ug, this again, stop acting as if all apps will remain on the Apple App store if alt-stores are required to be allowed by legislation, they will not.

Do you really believe that apps like Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft Office, Fortnite etc. will continue to be offered via the Apple App store if these developers are allowed to host their own iOS app stores?

Game stores like Steam and Epic (once they make one) will compete for big titles with "exclusive distribution" agreements and those games will fall off of the Apple App store.

Facebook and Amazon will also try to whore up data by offering exclusive distribution deals to popular apps, the cost of this of course will be the loss of data transparency as the terms of this exclusivity will include full access to the data your app collects by the parent store.

Other apps will abandon the Apple store so that the do not need to comply with the privacy requirements that Apple imposes.

So if u trusted Cook for all these years are u afraid to trust Bezos or Zuckerberg? They are all of the same species (money, shareholders, blablabla). Different story if u sideload DarkMarketCokeFirearmsSlavesTorOnion100%SafeOnlyBitcoins.ipa :)
 
Well you chose to side-step my entire point that a bank app would no longer need to declare, in easy to read terms, data collected, shared and sold by their app such as: LOCATION TRACKING which is something a bank would not normally have access to.

Banks do not need the Apple App store in order to thrive, like insurance companies, cable companies etc, they have a captive audience, not one that needs to be found and marketed to so they can leave the app store easily. Admittedly they may or may not do so but if a bank found a reliable income source from selling location data I bet they will and if the cost of that revenue stream is leaving the Apple App Store I bet they will.
If a user chooses to allow their bank app access to Location Services — like they have to with the scary “sideloaded” apps on macOS — and then gets upset when that app uses it for tracking purposes, I’m not sure what to tell them other than that they probably should have clicked “Don’t Allow” from the get.

If you want to use their ATM finder but don’t know how to find yourself on a map, I’d argue you have bigger issues than being tracked.
 
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So if u trusted Cook for all these years are u afraid to trust Bezos or Zuckerberg?

Yes, 100%. I don't think Apple is an angel by any stretch but Zuck has made is entire fortune by collecting and selling data and Bezos is doing the same and no better.

When was the last time Facebook or Amazon put forth any groundbreaking data privacy initiatives.... I'll wait.
 
Ug, this again, stop acting as if all apps will remain on the Apple App store if alt-stores are required to be allowed by legislation, they will not.

Do you really believe that apps like Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft Office, Fortnite etc. will continue to be offered via the Apple App store if these developers are allowed to host their own iOS app stores?
See how their investors feel when they bleed monthly active users and revenue due to users either not knowing how or not bothering to go through the process Apple would likely require to allow the installation of iOS apps from non-App Store sources.
 
So are u going to pay a fortune to live in a jail instead of a home? Because jail its more secure than a home...
Anyway, no one will aim a handgun at your head forcing you to sideload apps. You will still can download apps from app store ignoring sideloading feature
1. They are called safe rooms.
2. Developers will aim a gun by limiting access to the software. Sideloading might be fine IF sideloaded apps never cost less than the app store, don't have different features, receive updates the same day, and developers pay Apple 30% of their revenue for sideloaded apps.
 
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I'm in favor of exiting the EU over this. Let Google deal with it. Let the EU have just one device.
The US is not going to go anywhere near as far as the EU. We are capitalists, not whatever the EU is.
Looks like you forgot the Bipartisan Bill, and the few ongoing antitrust cases. Yeah US and EU are capitalists, but in case of Apple it’s not serving the biggest capitalist called economy or government well. The overall economy reap more from multiple competing capitalists than from one monopoly capitalist who does not even pay the taxes they morally should.

The tax story is the next thing that will be put on the table to be judged. Especially now after all the war investments.
 
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If you want to use their ATM finder but don’t know how to find yourself on a map, I’d argue you have bigger issues than being tracked.

How about this, the bank app shouldn't record my location data for the sake of "locating an ATM" but it should just show ATMs within the map section I am looking at? What a concept right? Ooops, I forgot they cannot sell my data that way.

Or

How about the bank app makes a request for my location from iOS but gets only a zip code in return or some other generic location data, again that they cannot collect or identify.
 
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Looks like you forgot the Bipartisan Bill, and the few ongoing antitrust cases. Yeah US and EU are capitalists, but in case of Apple it’s not serving the biggest capitalist called economy and government. The overall economy reap more from multiple competing capitalists than from one monopoly capitalist who does not even pay the taxes they morally should.
By taxes they should morally pay, are you including the sales and income tax double taxation?

Are you including the frivolous government fees that charge extra for driving high MPG vehicles?

Are you turning tax breaks to drive business investments into a double-edged sword?

Naw, no one is morally obligated to pay more in taxes than the system requires.
 
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