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re:changing that handle

you mean the way you changed your handle, john123, oops, i mean joey?

last time i logged on you were at 30 and now you are at 40...at that rate you will make senior memeber before december 1 and by macworld sf, you will be at 200 (kela's official mark of mac-god status)

keep up the good work john!

the more posts you throw at spikey, the more i could comment on them on way or another and the third neutral country i mentioned was bhutan, not lebanon

if i was lebanon, then i would have to commit to the spikey-kela empire or to the jj rebel alliance

at one macworld in the future, i am sure some of us will meetand by the year 2020, one of you four will be apple's ceo
 
Re: re:changing that handle

>you mean the way you changed your handle, john123, oops, i mean joey?

I'm not JOHN! Who raised our similarities in the first place? It was you,
IIRC...

/me fossicks around for baseball bat, brass knuckles :p


>last time i logged on you were at 30 and now you are at 40...at that rate
you will make senior memeber before december 1 and by macworld sf, you
will be at 200 (kela's official mark of mac-god status)

>keep up the good work john!

What's it going to take to convince you that I'm not john? :p


>the more posts you throw at spikey, the more i could comment on them on
way or another and the third neutral country i mentioned was bhutan, not
lebanon

You did, it's just that I consider lebanon to be (superficially at least)
a neutral country due to the power-sharing apparent (christian president,
druze speaker, muslim prime minister or suchlike). It is superficial
largely because of the lack of commitment to democracy, it's more a result
of the roughly equal proportions of christians and muslims.


>if i was lebanon, then i would have to commit to the spikey-kela empire
or to the jj rebel alliance

HAHAH. We've the semantic arms (and the ability to read the posts to which
we reply). To paraphrase Jobs: "You wanna be a pirate? or join the navy?"
:p


>at one macworld in the future, i am sure some of us will meetand by the
year 2020, one of you four will be apple's ceo [/B][/QUOTE]

Now _that's_ where I'd like to be, spending Apple's cash pile to aid the
attempt to increase their marketshare from 95% to... `gee, mac os x 15.8
is looking mighty fine on this G14/40THz... dig the on-the-fly raytraced
genie effect... but ship it with another ~512 gb of ram okay?' =]
 
>Oh SPG, you're the poster that I reallly love!
-Thank you. I love you too.

>When did you hit 112 posts?
-In the middle of the night while connected by airport to my neighbors computer just to make it interesting.

>Do you think I should deconstruct posts? It seems to be getting very popular.
-I do think I should start to deconstruct my own posts. Maybe that way I could bore myself and everyone here to death.

>So, G3 or G4?
F#$% You! SPG Rot in hell while drinking the piss of Satan himself if you like the G3.

>I find that I should rise above this quagmire and perhaps don a new facade in which to facilitate a surreptitious assault on my foes.
-Eat Sh*t you w*nker!

>As the new SGP I should point out that I am in fact not SPG, but SGP.
-Eat more sh*t w*nker!

>-Eat more sh*t w*nker!
-Did I say this? Or did I say this? Wither way all I can say is -Eat more sh*t w*nker!

>Oh answered with another question, well then -Eat more sh*t w*nker! Are you a sh*t eating Wanker?
-I do believe that your gripe is with SGP, and as I am SPG, I will have to deconstruct all of your post again while quoting myself to the point that everyone has to read the -Eat more sh*t w*nker! reply 15 times.

>Oh answered with another question, well then -Eat more sh*t w*nker! Are you a sh*t eating Wanker?
-I do believe that your gripe is with SGP, and as I am SPG, I will have to deconstruct all of your post again while quoting myself to the point that everyone has to read the -Eat more sh*t w*nker! reply 15 times.
-You can't even count. It was only said 7 times excluding this last paragraph.
>And you can't think so Eat sh*t w*nker! There, 8 times.

______________________
****, please.
 
BS

Spikey blabbed:

"Well kethoticus/ taramasalata/ greek f**khead.
My obviously "immature" way of writing is way too common for you upper class people."

You are THAT intimidated by me. Wow. Kinda funny. Or perhaps it isn't. A low self-esteem like yours is destructive not just to yourself, but to others your life touches. Your posts, with their destructive wording, are a good example.

Oh... you've made, several times already, two false assumptions about me. First, I am not Greek. There is no such name in the Greek language to the best of my knowledge.

Secondly, I am not upper class. Unemployed is more like it. And for a englishman, you should be ashamed at your lack of command of the language.

And one final thing: you're a racist, narrow-minded bigot. Right-wingers are crud, according to you. How democratic. And what you have to say about Greeks. And you say *I* have nothing useful to contribute.


"Why dont you just shut your f**king mouth d**khead."

ROFL! Well there's an argument worthy of a Spikey! Full of substance. Way to go Spikester!


"At the very least i have content in my posts,..."

Yeah... "f*ckhead, d*ckhead, sh**... just oozing with scintillating information.


"...you on the other hand talk sh**."

Please give an example. Seriously, I'm open.


"...you posts say nothing i havent already heard."

Oh... so that's it. I'm supposed to enlighten YOU. And here I am thinking that these posts were a public forum for everybody. I understand now. It's all about you.


"Oooooh you respect joey, well go suck his d**k then."

So respecting someone and providing him/her with oral sex are equivalent to you. Hmmm... tell me... how many people do you respect Spike?


"If he has one."

Sophomoric. Besides, why is that of any concern to you and why would it be relevant?


"You dont see wat is written in my posts because you are a snob and you are afraid to see the language i use."

His posts are long and I usually just skim through them. And I suppose I'm a snob because I don't approve of something you do. Afraid of your language? Don't flatter yourself.


"Your a rightwing f**khead,..."

Glad to see you appreciate the democratic process. Perhaps you should give Osama a call or contact the Chinese immigration service.


"...you do nothing and contribute nothing to these forums,..."

And your cutting, coarse language is such a helpful contrast.


"...why dont you just go away. you are no use to any1."

Do you speak for the whole list here? If so, please folks, respond here and tell me if my posts (re: all of them) have been a waste of space here, and explain why. E-mail me privately if you'd prefer. Either way, if I'm doing something wrong, I'll try to correct it.
 
Kela, AlphaTech

You two need to get a better grip. Joey's not the one going ballistic. Joey's not the one starting crap on these threads. Joey's not the one who flames someone whenever his fragile ego can't handle a comment. You comment on Joey's incessant posts, when all he's doing is responding to the incessant as well as unwarranted Spikean flames.

Is that the kind of posting you want? Or is Spikey a personal friend whom you tolerate for some unseen political reason? I mean, your attitudes are ridiculous. Unless there's something of Joey J's that I have not seen (entirely possible), your criticisms of him are completely unjustified.
 
greek...that's my family!

so you want to start some sort of ancient mediteranean tribal war?

my greek relatives are from harlem, ny and my grandmother is tougher than anybody here!

and we are all related to the entire astoria blvd community in the big city and we all will come and get you

i guess i mean my wife is greek, so i hope that passes for something...i am just a california barn raised boy that hatched from an egg
 
>I find that I should rise above this quagmire and perhaps don a new
facade in which to facilitate a surreptitious assault on my foes.
-Eat Sh*t you w*nker!

So I suppose that given that I'm now officially anointed john123, and john
is `confessing', anything I say will be attributed to him... hrmm...



-I do believe that your gripe is with SGP, and as I am SPG, I will have
to deconstruct

`deconstruct'

Now that caught on quickly, didn't it? I only remember mentioning it once ;)



> all of your post again while quoting myself

I tended not to quote myself.



> to the point that everyone has to read the -Eat more sh*t w*nker! reply 15 times.

... if I replied to it, I didn't snip it -- go complain to spikey.



>****, please.

The race for the Moral High Ground(tm) has begun ... ! ...
 
Kethoticus

IF you read what I posted, I told BOTH of them to take the childish behavior elsewhere. This is not the place for the 'pissing contest'.

If one is more childish then the other, then logic (novel concept to some, I know) would dictate that the more mature one would just stop and let the other wear him/her self down.

I stick to my comment of if you have nothing constructive to add, or related to the general theme of the site, the say nothing. Sometimes silence is louder then words.

keep it unreal.
 
re: pissing contests

long ago, i tried to stop a cross-continent pissing contest, and being a pc tech from the silicon valley, i got dumped on big time by legions of mac zealots...it is my experience on all the mac boards that civility does not exist

if you want to find on-topic civility, go to a pc board where almost everyone is nice yet ignorant about the greatness and inventiveness of the mac...they are so far behind in innovation in the pc world because they are so busy being "pc" (politically correct)

as stated by abcnews.com what makes steve jobs great is that he is a "nasty" piece of work, hard to work with, a bad business head, a non-techie, but at the same time, a marketing genius of our times (i believe the greatest marketing genius, ever! ...and along with microsoft's millions and millions of clamshells, it is steve jobs' marketing which saved apple a few years back and put the company back into profitability)

if you are a tech in the IT field, the last thing you want to call yourself is an "alpha" tech, it is the second worst thing any real techie can call you (us engineers refer to someone who is an alpha tech as someone who really isn't technically inclined who thinks they know it all and has to be right but rarely is)

in a way steve jobs is an alpha tech but his saving grace is his amazing marketing ability and since marketing is a branch of business and apple is a business, the world should be glad that apple isn't all gearheads

btw, the worst thing you can become or be called in silicon valley is a "suit"...i used to be one back when i was in my gung-ho mba student days until i saw the light and realized that without the engineers to make, code for, and maintain the gear, the suits would have nothing to peddle in the first place!
 
re: suits

but i am not slamming mba's, they are needed to, even if they are an "evil" necessity

a friend of mine who has discovered religion asked me my take on satanism, and i replied, "mba school"

i explained the difference between my experiences at bible school and at mba school and the two opposing philosophies of "greed is the root of all evil" vs. "the bottom-line is the most important thing" and also stated that satanists, while not the best group to join on a sunday afternoon, believe in god just as satan himself does...remember the movie, "Oh God" and "Oh God, You Devil" where the devil was always trying to catch up with, and eventually be god himself

somewhere on microsoft's website, i saw a gui hyperlink once labeled something like "microsoft mba" and the first thing that came to my head was some sort of evil legion of pc stormtroopers ready to carry out bill's blitzkreig on the silicon valley
 
Jef - you say Steve Jobs is "a bad business head" but you also say that he is "the greatest marketing genius, ever" and you then say "marketing is a branch of business".

This seems very contradictory. So which is it? Jobs as business genius, or Jobs as bad business head?
 
re: different branches of business

marketing is not accounting, here's what i mean

business 101-

branches of business: (in a nutshell)

accounting
operations management
economics
human resources management
logistics and procurement
general management
marketing and advertising/public relations

i should have clarified, job's is not an accountant or he is not good with cash flow

when someone refers to a ceo not being good at business, it is in the "accounting" branch of business that is being referred to

sorry for the mixup and good point you brought up, thanks
 
oops, i looked at your bio

the fields do deserve their own "branches"

marketing
advertising
public relations

and i am sure you like that order

btw, is there a fifth p?

[Edited by jefhatfield on 11-25-2001 at 12:22 PM]
 
Marketing

Too many people make the mistake of mixing up business with accountancy. That's why so many accountancy firms became jumped up "management consultants" in the late 90's. The sooner they get back to bean counting the better :)

There isn't enough heavyweight marketing intelligence in the board rooms of most large UK businesses, and I think British business suffers as a result. It's interesting to watch a business like Apple Inc where marketing strategy seems to lead decision making, and products like the iMac are conjored out of thin air (nothing technically innovative there, just a huge amount of very clever marketing gloss!)

Regarding marketing disciplines - I would consider advertising the be a form of marketing - "above the line marketing" - ie. contracted media, verses other marketing activity like direct mail, sales promotion and loyalty marketing are "below the line" - own media.

PR is part marketing and part a thing unto itself - tricky one to classify really.

From a marketing point of view, I'd say the GX naming convention is starting to present Apple with problems. There's no obvious reason why Apple should migrate it's consumer line to G4, and yet consumers won't want to buy something called "G3" when they see professional G5 desktops hit the shelves next year. Intel had a better naming strategy with Pentium and Celeron. I think it's time to come up with a nice new name for G3 to make it sound more whizzy and up-to-date.



[Edited by Foocha on 11-25-2001 at 01:45 PM]
 
new naming convention

apple should come up with something better than just "G5" but i can't think of what that would be

thanks for the clarification on the marketing categories and sub-categories
 
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