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Upcoming Intel Details Leak

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News.com reports on rumors of Intel's upcoming processors, due this year:

Prescott, which will come out in the fourth quarter, will contain a number of enhancements over the current Pentium 4, including new instructions for multimedia processing and a 1MB cache, a pool of memory on the chip for fast data access. Current Pentium 4s have a 512KB cache.,
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Prescott is to start at 3.4GHz and expected to cost $637 in volume quantities. New Celeron and Pentium M (laptop) processors are also expected later this year. The Pentium M will feature a 90-nm manufacturing process.

Comparisons with IBM's G5 (PPC 970) processor will undoubtedly be made.
 
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Prescott is going to be fast

Prescott is going to be a fast competitor. IBM and AMD will have to maintain aggresive roadmaps to fend off Chipzilla.

Look at the Oct price decreases. The largest cut is the P4 3Ghz. That means big price reductions for IHV like Dell etc.

Intel is first to 90nm but we should have 90nm 970s early next year. Hopefully IBM will add 1BM of Cache as well to the 970.

Prepare for more benchmark battles. Their coming.
 
Originally posted by DHagan4755
At the rate Intel is going with their processors, we may be very close speedwise by the time next year rolls around!:cool:
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That's what I was going to say, is it just me or are Intel/AMD slowing down again?

Maybe the GHz gulf will start to close soon.

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by ColdZero
Why wait for the new P4, the G5 is hot enough to do that.
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Huh?
the G5 maxes out at around 45 watts while the P4 currently puts out 65 watts and the Itanium is over 120 watts.

try again.
 
I just read this article over at osnews.com comparing the x86 and PowerPC architectures. It was a very enlightening read and explained how Intel is really running themselves into the wall with their continuing development of the P4.

On particularly interesting note was about heat. x86 CPUs already get hot and require considerable cooling, but this is getting worse and eventually it will hit a wall. A report by the publishers of Microprocessor Report indicated that Intel is expected to start hitting the heat wall in 2004. The article goes on to predict that the x86 will soon lose it's price advantage because the cooling systems required to keep these beasts from literally melting cost several times what the CPUs themselves cost.

Long live RISC!! :D
 
Prescott called Pentium 5?

With Apple, and AMD releasing new processors generations, does anyone think they will call prescott the Pentium 5? Any thoughts?

--Waluigi
 
Re: Comparisons?

Originally posted by Hawthorne
Whichever one runs OS X will be the one that wins.
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Hahahaha! I couldn't have put it better. No matter how fast intel makes their processors, they still will run windows, which completely cripples their ability to be useful.

--Waluigi
 
Originally posted by macnews
Let's hope! If they are at 3.4Ghz by Dec/Jan the G5 should be at 3Ghz in June/July.

Then there is that 1MB of cache and what role does bus speed play in that? I thought there was an article on IBM's site about why the 970 didn't need any level 3 cache was due to the bus speed. If the 970 operates at half the clock speed, a 3Ghz chip would have cache accessing at 1.5Ghz. Then there is always the 980.....

BTW, I know bus speed and cache memory are not the same but the IBM and some others have tied the two together in regards to overall performance.
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The cache in the P4's is L2 cache on the same silicon as the cpu core.
 
For those that think the intel chips are going to hit a wall...don't count on it. The P4 will continue to go faster nad faster for some time. If the wall was in site, a new processor would come from intel. Being the super huge company they are, they have research for 10 and maybe more years then that, for new chips and designs already underway. Its kind of like people around here saying, "Oh, Apple can't put a G5 in a laptop yet, its way to early". Well, Apple has a G5 in a laptop right now. These products don't just appear over night. Wasn't it Steve Jobs giving a speach at the Dev Conference that said, "Apple and IBM have been working on this chip for three years"? Meaning, Apple, Intel and all the others are 4-5 years ahead of whats out today. The moral of this story is, Intel has their butt covered for many moons ahead.

As for the speed race - Intel can kick their processors out at any speed above the competition at any time. The reason they slowed down is because they have no competition. AMD isn't putting anything out close to the top P4. So why would Intel sell faster and faster chips if they didn't have too?

The reason Steve Jobs said "we'll be up to 3.0 Ghz by the end of the year" is because he needed too. If he didn't, and Intel pumps out a 3.6 Ghz in january, people would wonder if Apple is still having problems with getting a competing chip out to market. Since you know whats going to happen, you'll stay with Apple cause they are competing.

Thats all.
 
Originally posted by DHagan4755
At the rate Intel is going with their processors, we may be very close speedwise by the time next year rolls around!:cool:
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You aren't thinking that a 3.4 Gig Pentium 4 is faster than say, a 2.5 Gig G5 are you? You wouldn't be right.
And to the other correspondent: yes it is possible to fry eggs on maxed out P4s... stunning, over easy! and you can have the chips with it too, though fish is better.
 
Originally posted by bertagert
For those that think the intel chips are going to hit a wall...don't count on it. The P4 will continue to go faster nad faster for some time. If the wall was in site, a new processor would come from intel. Being the super huge company they are, they have research for 10 and maybe more years then that, for new chips and designs already underway. Its kind of like people around here saying, "Oh, Apple can't put a G5 in a laptop yet, its way to early". Well, Apple has a G5 in a laptop right now. These products don't just appear over night. Wasn't it Steve Jobs giving a speach at the Dev Conference that said, "Apple and IBM have been working on this chip for three years"? Meaning, Apple, Intel and all the others are 4-5 years ahead of whats out today. The moral of this story is, Intel has their butt covered for many moons ahead.

As for the speed race - Intel can kick their processors out at any speed above the competition at any time. The reason they slowed down is because they have no competition. AMD isn't putting anything out close to the top P4. So why would Intel sell faster and faster chips if they didn't have too?

The reason Steve Jobs said "we'll be up to 3.0 Ghz by the end of the year" is because he needed too. If he didn't, and Intel pumps out a 3.6 Ghz in january, people would wonder if Apple is still having problems with getting a competing chip out to market. Since you know whats going to happen, you'll stay with Apple cause they are competing.

Thats all.
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Thats very true, and many people have yet to realize it.

However, I believe Steve said within a year, not by the end of the year.
 
This battle is coming down to just the Major players.

IBM Intel and AMD on the CPU front

ATI Nvidia and trailing Matrox for GPU(consumer).

Intel and IBM won't be hitting too many walls anytime soon. 90nm gives both extra room to increase Mhz and reduce voltage of their chips.

After 90nm looks like we're going to see 65nm. Imagine the clock speeds then. Ondie cache may reach 2MB for a consumer desktop. Dual Cores will be readily available along with Mulithreading.

Presently right now it looks like our storage will be far outstripped by system speed.

IBM's Roadmap looks pretty good. 3Ghz by next summer sounds definitely reachable and not too long after that we could see the POWER5 Derivative.

The real battle is going to be the OS. The hardware will be similiar so it's going to boil down to what the OS can do with the speed.

OSX has to fly and link together services and apps in ways that should make us drool with giddyness.

I'd love to see a Component Software structure like Opendoc return. Small apps that link and act like one. Services in OSX is a step in the right direction.
 
Originally posted by nuckinfutz
The real battle is going to be the OS. The hardware will be similiar so it's going to boil down to what the OS can do with the speed.
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Amen to that!
 
It is true that the true battle will be over software, but the more glorified battle (if less important) will be the speed battle.

It is also a stupid battle. :rolleyes:

They are both plenty fast.

If apple needs to work on one thing it would be price. It is pretty hard to justify spending $3,000+ on any computer (for most people).

scem0
 
good thoughts

The reason Steve Jobs said "we'll be up to 3.0 Ghz by the end of the year" is because he needed too. If he didn't, and Intel pumps out a 3.6 Ghz in january, people would wonder if Apple is still having problems with getting a competing chip out to market. Since you know whats going to happen, you'll stay with Apple cause they are competing.

wow, that was very well said, bertagert.

as an aside:
It's my opinion that what someone said earlier is true as well. They said "whichever one is running OS X will win", and I agree with that. Especially as time goes by, speed becomes less and less relevant to the better choices, and it's in this area where I completely 100% wholeheartedly beleive in Apple computers.
 
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