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hello, all.
I am using 15” rMBP for Photography and in the next 2 years would love to move to a bigger screen.
Would you know of Apple is going to uodate iMac sometimes within a year to a new screen design with no thick bazels and improved screen quality a-la Eizo?
Thanks!
 
No one who doesn't know can answer that.
Those who do know ... won't answer.

My complete -guess- is that the 2019 iMacs will be relatively unchanged "on the outside" (except for space grey), but have much-improved "insides", including a new (and nicer) display panel.
 
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I was nit following. Typically there are some rumors. Nothing to date?
 
I was nit following. Typically there are some rumors. Nothing to date?

Actually there are never really Apple rumors, just hopes, predictions, and some people who like to sound like they know. Usually "rumors" emerge only fairly close to release when the supply chain is in motion.
 
Have read sonewhere that Apple is working on a stand alone monitor, the new Mac Pro and an uodates to the iMac. What does it mean to the iMac Pro is hard to say:)
 
They're unlikely to go for an Eizo-type monitor unless they separate iMac from iMac Pro based on the display. The 27" iMac starts under $2000, and professional-quality 27" displays (not 5K) start around $1200. The difference in retail cost between a computer using today's iMac display and a similar computer with a professional display is probably at least $500. The only time I remember Apple offering a CTO display upgrade was on some older MacBook Pros, where you could pay extra for a matte or high-resolution screen. They could do that with a pro display ($500 extra on the top 27" model gets you Adobe RGB and high-end calibration, possibly plus matte finish)? OR:

On the $5000 iMac Pro, a professional display fits in the cost much more easily, and would differentiate the "normal" iMac from the Pro. The problem there is that audio pros who love the iMac Pro would scream. They don't need the display, and they don't want to pay for it. Maybe more likely than a 27" pro display is the iMac Pro getting its own screen size (30" or above). A move to a different size means that it no longer shares a screen with the 27" iMac. If it's a unique part, why not a higher end part?
 
I think the whole forum is agreement in wanting to see a new bazeless iMac.
 
I think Apple is planning to release a stand alone display for the Mac Pro.
 
Don't think it's gonna happen. Apple or rather Jony likes to have a unified looking product line.

What do the latest products (iPad Pro,iPhone XR and Apple Watch 4) all have in common?
A rounded corner even bezel right around their displays.
Despite Apple's marketing, these are not edge to edge displays.

Certainly a thinner bezel iMac is likely...just don't expect anything like those InfinityEdge monitors from Dell.
 
Minxy wrote:
"I think the whole forum is agreement in wanting to see a new bazeless iMac."

Methinks they might as well be waiting "for Godot".
And he ain't showin' up!
 
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hello, all.
I am using 15” rMBP for Photography and in the next 2 years would love to move to a bigger screen.
Would you know of Apple is going to uodate iMac sometimes within a year to a new screen design with no thick bazels and improved screen quality a-la Eizo?
Thanks!

It’s difficult to say, I mean they had years to change the Mac Mini and all they did was change its colour! Not that theirs anything wrong with how it looks.
But it doesn’t mean they definitely will change the iMac but I have seen some talk of a redesign. Have to keep you eyes glued to this website I guess?

If they do change its design I ‘may’ take a look.
 
improved screen quality a-la Eizo?
Thanks!

since they didn't do that for the iMac Pro, i seriously doubt they're gonna do it for the iMac.
It’s difficult to say, I mean they had years to change the Mac Mini and all they did was change its colour!

Yeah, doing an interior overhaul (complete overhaul, it went from 85W computer to 150W computer) without touch the exterior is a new one for apple.

in my opinion, the new mini is THE audio mac to buy. They haven't released a viable audio mac since 2012 Tower, and since most audio guys tuck their machines away from their face (because fans are annoying) and nobody looks at them, it makes perfect sense.
 
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I prefer to have a clean neutral, thick, black bezel in my screen, surrounding my designs or adjusting photos...
I don't mind having a big chin also in my iMac. I don't use it... but somehow, it seems iconic for placing post-it's for many.
Am I a weirdo?
 
I prefer to have a clean neutral, thick, black bezel in my screen, surrounding my designs or adjusting photos...
I don't mind having a big chin also in my iMac. I don't use it... but somehow, it seems iconic for placing post-it's for many.
Am I a weirdo?

No clue. I also don't get the bezel-less crap on laptops. Or computer screens, for anything else but multi-monitor setup.
 
I prefer to have a clean neutral, thick, black bezel in my screen, surrounding my designs or adjusting photos...
I don't mind having a big chin also in my iMac. I don't use it... but somehow, it seems iconic for placing post-it's for many.
Am I a weirdo?

No clue. I also don't get the bezel-less crap on laptops. Or computer screens, for anything else but multi-monitor setup.

Alright gentlemen, we found the heretics. They clearly have no eye for computer aesthetics. You know what to do.

grabs a pitch fork and torch
 
Alright gentlemen, we found the heretics. They clearly have no eye for computer aesthetics. You know what to do.

grabs a pitch fork and torch
lol, just saying that as far as macbook pro changes go, this is the last on my list. and what bothers me more is assymetric bezels, rather than their size
 
I think Apple is planning to release a stand alone display for the Mac Pro.
They announced it in both TechCrunch articles.

Have read sonewhere that Apple is working on a stand alone monitor, the new Mac Pro and an uodates to the iMac. What does it mean to the iMac Pro is hard to say:)
Apple has announced they are working on a Mac Pro and new monitor.

No one has announced a new iMac. Anything you read on it is idle speculation and wishful thinking—what, a thousand threads now including this one?

I expect the Mac Pro to be more powerful and more expensive. Look whom they're building it for and what it's expected to do. I expect it to begin where the iMac Pro leaves off. If it's not $15k for the base model including the new monitor, I'll be surprised.

The iMac Pro is the upper mid-level Mac. It is neither as expensive nor as powerful as 10 Minis with eGPU linked together crunching a file ($40k) but that is the level of performance that Apple must be aiming for with the Mac Pro—or why bother? Apple's competition in that market is a couple of Win 10 boxes with prices from $15k–$150k (depending on configuration) that already exist.
 
I bought the ultrafine because i'm not paying for what will essentially be an LG panel in apple designed case for 300$ more, at which point the UltraFine will probably be discontinued
 
i'm not paying for what will essentially be an LG panel in apple designed case for 300$ more, at which point the UltraFine will probably be discontinued
How do you know? BTW, if you do have real info, please share!

Since the new monitor is being designed for the film/animation industry (the only thing we actually do know), I'm expecting it to be pretty big.

That's also a guess—as is anything else including how it's driven. TB3 over a USB-C connector is expected but it isn't a given.
 
How do you know? BTW, if you do have real info, please share!

Since the new monitor is being designed for the film/animation industry (the only thing we actually do know), I'm expecting it to be pretty big.

That's also a guess—as is anything else including how it's driven. TB3 over a USB-C connector is expected but it isn't a given.
1) Apple confirmed they're working on a display to release with the mac pro in various articles last couple of years
2) apple displays historically were expensive

no info just conjecture.
It will certainly not cost less than the LG branded.
I doubt it will be larger than 27", would be surprised. They already have a hard time driving the 5K, and if they make it larger they wont compromise on pixel density
 
They announced it in both TechCrunch articles.


Apple has announced they are working on a Mac Pro and new monitor.

No one has announced a new iMac. Anything you read on it is idle speculation and wishful thinking—what, a thousand threads now including this one?

I expect the Mac Pro to be more powerful and more expensive. Look whom they're building it for and what it's expected to do. I expect it to begin where the iMac Pro leaves off. If it's not $15k for the base model including the new monitor, I'll be surprised.

The iMac Pro is the upper mid-level Mac. It is neither as expensive nor as powerful as 10 Minis with eGPU linked together crunching a file ($40k) but that is the level of performance that Apple must be aiming for with the Mac Pro—or why bother? Apple's competition in that market is a couple of Win 10 boxes with prices from $15k–$150k (depending on configuration) that already exist.
No, that's not how hardware pricing works.

Apple will pick one of two options:

1) Mac Pros support dual CPU set ups, iMac Pros are single CPUs. Both are Xeon-class CPU machines.

2) iMac Pro was just a hold-you-over option while they worked on the Mac Pro, and it dies.

If it is option 1, then a Mac Pro will likely have two of these: https://ark.intel.com/products/134859/Intel-Xeon-E-2186M-Processor-12M-Cache-up-to-4-80-GHz- or similar in their base spec, going all the way up to 42 cores or so in a maxed-out option. The processors at a base model then combined go for about 1,300$.

If Apple supports dual GPU (like in the 2013 Mac Pro) then we can expect two Radeon VII GPUs, combined going for about 1,500$.
Add 32GB DDR4 ECC 2666 MHz RAM for about 800$
And a 1 TB SSD for another 500$.
Factor in the Apple case, PSU, and motherboard for about 500$, and we arrive at a grand total price for a Mac Pro sans monitor:

4,600$ (dual GPU dual CPU)


"But this is cheaper than the iMac Pro..."

No duh, it doesn't include a monitor, and has almost double the capability of the base model. This form factor is immensely cheaper than an AIO build. This is why unless we're talking about Apple, an AIO is a really bad option for a computer.

Now if we include a monitor on the price scale of a LG 5k UltraFine, we're looking at a ~7,000$ machine. It would not surprise me though, if option 2 is possible.

If option 2 is possible, the base model of the Mac Pro will be single-CPU, single-GPU. That drops the price down to ~3,350$ for the Mac Pro sans monitor.

There will be advanced configurations that certainly scale up to 15,000$ for sure. But that will not be the base model.
 
No, that's not how hardware pricing works.

My company bought a Lisa system in 1983 for desktop publishing at a cost over $22,000.

I bought a Mac+ system for my own business in 1986 for $7,700 — I can still price every component.

Again: If the Mac Pro base system including the new monitor is priced under $14,995, I will be very surprised.

I am not saying it can't happen but nothing you have written makes me think that I am wrong.

It will be cheaper than the Maya Box Rendering Station, I expect. With $40k—$80K Mini arrays outperforming (on paper) the $150k 52 Core Maya, that seems likely.

Once again: Who is the market? What will it be expected to do? What is the competition?

I don't expect to be the customer, BTW, as I don't have those needs. I intend to order my own iMac Pro this month—probably a 10–14 core depending on the budget.
 
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No, that's not how hardware pricing works.

If it is option 1, then a Mac Pro will likely have two of these: https://ark.intel.com/products/134859/Intel-Xeon-E-2186M-Processor-12M-Cache-up-to-4-80-GHz- or similar in their base spec, going all the way up to 42 cores or so in a maxed-out option. The processors at a base model then combined go for about 1,300$.
This is a 45W mobile CPU with only 16 pci-e lanes.
I doubt if they go "up to 48 cores" they will make a different PCIe layout and configurations, and considering the Mini has a 65W CPU that's more powerful than the Xeon you linked, I seriously doubt that Mac Pro will have one.
The Xeon you linked is basically the i9 chip from the MacBook Pro with ECC.

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if they plan to use desktop GPU, they wont constrain it to x8 pcie lanes, and it will have at least 4 full-speed thunderbolt ports, or 8x combo ports, in each case, at least 16x lanes
 
This is a 45W mobile CPU with only 16 pci-e lanes.
I doubt if they go "up to 48 cores" they will make a different PCIe layout and configurations, and considering the Mini has a 65W CPU that's more powerful than the Xeon you linked, I seriously doubt that Mac Pro will have one.
The Xeon you linked is basically the i9 chip from the MacBook Pro with ECC.

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if they plan to use desktop GPU, they wont constrain it to x8 pcie lanes, and it will have at least 4 full-speed thunderbolt ports, or 8x combo ports, in each case, at least 16x lanes
I apologize, I accidentally linked the mobile version from ark (2816M). This is the server version (2816G): https://ark.intel.com/products/134855/Intel-Xeon-E-2186G-Processor-12M-Cache-up-to-4-70-GHz-

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I also suspect they will pick a scalable processor of this generation too, as opposed to single socket. However I do not believe this generation's scalable processor is out yet.
 
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