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I said it before and ill say it again. Apple has made us choose.....

Next gen form factor last gen screen

Or

Next gen screen last gen form factor



That being said I flipping love my mini. I barely used my iPad 3 at all now I bring my mini everywhere I go.
 
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Exactly my approach, sold my wife's iPad 2 gave her my 3, bought myself a Mini and a 4....liked the mini so much I took back the 4, bought my wife a mini for Xmas and at that point will use the 3 as the "house" iPad for when someone wants the bigger version. 2 weeks in and I haven't felt the need to go bigger, I love this thing.

You read my mind on that one too.

Nerdy guests will love having a house pad / switch them up on the couch. Hey you play with my 3 ill use the mini alright now rotate!

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That is exactly what happened to me. It was ok the first couple days but I started getting headaches from what I think was eyes train. Of course once I posted about it I immediately became a liar, whiner, troll, etc. :rolleyes:

I returned my ipad mini because of difficulty with safari and went from being human to being a troll for giving my account and opinion.

Kinda like the whole Chevy, ford, dodge pickup thing.
 
Hey guys, another update:

So after spending numerous hours with my new ipad 4 and I have come to a dilemma; I really on the edge of returning the ipad 4 and going with a mini AGAIN.

I created another thread regarding the ipad 4 A6 processor - something is very strange with the ipad 4- I'm very use to my iphone 5 and the fact it can task switch to any app and that app will instantly respond; it's such a joy to use a phone that has such extreme fluidity in overall user experience, I was expecting the same thing on my ipad 4 since it's clocked faster than my iphone 5; but it's NOT! Quite the opposite, in fact, the task switchign is identical to my ipad 2/ipad mini!

I'm really not happy with paying for the ipad 4 when the performance after I have personally used it and review it as being an ipad 3S - but the performance is not even the same as an ipad 3S. It's identical to an ipad 2/3/mini! What I mean is that even though the mini was in 1024x768, the games ran very well, sure some games like Shine race (vector unit), real racing 2 had slight issues like framerate drops/stutter, it's still extremely playable and enjoyable due to the size. ON the ipad 4, it's quite large, my hands are hurting from holding it in bed from playing and reading. And to top it off, I find the task switching on the ipad 4 to be lame, with a 4-6 second delay between switching apps and those apps responding right after!

I really do not think the ipad 4 is worth the money- the performance of the web surfing after a few hours I have noticed to be quick - but it's no as quick as my iPhone 5! No joke, it seems the A6X has to be burdened by the retina display! I know buying the ipad mini is like rebuying an ipad 2 I sold for a huge loss, but I'm just not going to say the ipad 4 is anything better than even an ipad 3!

Until they optimize it for the A6X, I don't think iOS 6.0.1 is good on the ipad 4 at all. I don't see how this A6X can perform the way it does in comparison to the older iPad 2/3/mini.

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OP, you really need to just step away from all iPads for a while and chill out. It sounds like you just like wasting money and really have trouble assessing needs and actual value. IMO you probably don't need an iPad at all and never did.

Also, LOL at the iPad "cutting" into your hands. Really now, whether it's a macbook pro, an iphone, an ipod, or even an ipad, they all have "sharp" edges that are so painful for your average dainty macrumors member. Come on now. :rolleyes:

EDIT: also my iPad 4 is blazing fast on all fronts, but I don't restore from backups. Never have, never will.
 
OP, you really need to just step away from all iPads for a while and chill out. It sounds like you just like wasting money and really have trouble assessing needs and actual value. IMO you probably don't need an iPad at all and never did.

Also, LOL at the iPad "cutting" into your hands. Really now, whether it's a macbook pro, an iphone, an ipod, or even an ipad, they all have "sharp" edges that are so painful for your average dainty macrumors member. Come on now. :rolleyes:

What the hell you talking about? I want/need an ipad that's my personal taste on how crappy the big ipad is compared to the mini. I don't know how else you gonnahold the ipad 4 because no matter how you hold it, it's not light the least bit.

I'm giving you an insight to how an ipad 4 is in real life and how it compares to a mini sans the retina. You don't enjoy that conversation, please go have ice cream and don't come back.
 
What the hell you talking about? I want/need an ipad that's my personal taste on how crappy the big ipad is compared to the mini. I don't know how else you gonnahold the ipad 4 because no matter how you hold it, it's not light the least bit.

I'm giving you an insight to how an ipad 4 is in real life and how it compares to a mini sans the retina. You don't enjoy that conversation, please go have ice cream and don't come back.

I'm giving you an opinion while you are in a tizz, don't like it, don't start the thread. This thread is a travesty of indecision. I know how an iPad 4 is, I have one.

No, 1.4 pounds is not heavy, nor are the edges sharp and painful, because I have a hint of testosterone. ;) Have you ever in your life lifted a 10 pound box, cut down a tree branch, or pounded a nail?

Is the 4 "heavy" solely in comparison to the mini? Sure, back to back they are. But once you buy a 4 and have it at home and are no longer comparing it back to back with a mini, is it still agonizing to hold? Just like the iPad 2 and 3 you had previously which seemed to be just fine before last month? Of course not. Spare me the "well the iPad 2 and 3 weren't as heavy as the 4" because it's a marginal difference.

Return whatever one you are on now, stop driving up the price of Apple products for all of the rest of us due to your inability to make a decision and making Apple lose money on every perfectly good iPad you return which then has to go through the refurb process, and go have a drink.
 
I'm giving you an opinion while you are in a tizz, don't like it, don't start the thread. This thread is a travesty of indecision. I know how an iPad 4 is, I have one.

No, 1.4 pounds is not heavy, nor are the edges sharp and painful, because I have a hint of testosterone. ;) Have you ever in your life lifted a 10 pound box, cut down a tree branch, or pounded a nail?

Is the 4 "heavy" solely in comparison to the mini? Sure, back to back they are. But once you buy a 4 and have it at home and are no longer comparing it back to back with a mini, is it still agonizing to hold? Just like the iPad 2 and 3 you had previously which seemed to be just fine before last month? Of course not. Spare me the "well the iPad 2 and 3 weren't as heavy as the 4" because it's a marginal difference.

Return whatever one you are on now, stop driving up the price of Apple products for all of the rest of us due to your inability to make a decision and making Apple lose money on every perfectly good iPad you return which then has to go through the refurb process, and go have a drink.

1.4lbs is heavy enough guy. Stating how big your nut sack is has nothing to do with it. Lifting weights is one thing, being able to comfortably hold a device you can use with joy for hours is another thing. You can't do that with any ipad 3/4, except the ipad 2 which is lighter. 30 grams is alot of difference in the long run.

It may seem "marginal" to you since you are cmparing the weights at the moment, but when placed in your one hand and held on the edges, it's not a fun thing to do. Not to mention playing games on it is not as enjoyable as on the mini, no debate about it.

I don't return the device back to back because I have light leaks like some ocd apple freaks, what I do want to do is buy something I think is good. The problem is the mini is so good in form factor, like CrAkD mentioned, you have two choices:

"Next gen form factor last gen screen

Or

Next gen screen last gen form factor"
 
Return whatever one you are on now, stop driving up the price of Apple products

So tired of hearing this argument in general. I went through multiple iPhone 5's due to quality control issues, and at least like 5 or 6 iPad 3's before I got a good screen without multiple hues or glaring issues upon boot up. But for every Apple products I've returned/rebought to get a good one (and some product lines are much worse than others, my ipad2 had backight bleed but i lived with it fine and never exchanged because the quality of the panel was good enough to my eyes to do the swap game), I've also bought ones one time and never had to exchange or return or flake out on. So in net, Apple makes money off of me. And probably OP as well.

If the OP wants to change his mind, that's up to him. I guarantee you he and his indecision is not the one driving up the price of Apple products. Nor are you likely to be the employee who will be processing his return. And if you are, you shouldn't be so hurt if he finds "mini display crappy" or regular sized iPad form factor "too cumbersome and old school." Who cares what somebody else thinks if it pushes your buttons? If I cared so much what people thought, I wouldn't be using any Apple products. I have a few Apple-hating friends in the mix. Luckily, I sleep fine at night with their hatred and my love but exhaustion of the latest iGadget.

And if Apple finds too many people are lost by having too many choices (16, 32, 64, black, white, AT&T Verizon or Sprint, full size or mini, within that full size 2 3 or 4 based on price and features, etc.) maybe they should offer fewer choices. That's the paradox of choice for you. The more offered, the more someone wonders if they should have gotten something else, or same model but different configuration.

But with Apple's cash reserve, and the intense markup of their products relative to their raw manufacturing costs (not taking into account R&D, employing, marketing, etc), you are looking to blame the wrong person for Apple tax.

OP: If I were you I'd snatch up an excellent black Friday-ish deal on a 3rd generation iPad. I think I saw on Slickdeals Gamestop had refurbished ones for $309 (the base model). Granted, they sold out immediately but I'm sure you could get something sweet. Then keep that for retina since you find iPad4 performance lacking but have an iPhone 5 that is beastly, get mini and have the best of both worlds. And if you find a weaker link and feel slightly spoiled having two devices, hand one down or sell one off without much/if any loss!

Also, I have had all of 5 minutes play time with an iPad4 at the store, but are you sure all iPad4's are like that or is it possible you got one that is a bad one?
 
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So tired of hearing this argument in general. I went through multiple iPhone 5's due to quality control issues, and at least like 5 or 6 iPad 3's before I got a good screen.

If the OP wants to change his mind, that's up to him. I guarantee you he and his indecision is not the one driving up the price of Apple products. Nor are you likely to be the employee who will be processing his return.

And if Apple finds too many people are lost by having too many choices (16, 32, 64, black, white, AT&T Verizon or Sprint, full size or mini, within that full size 2 3 or 4 based on price and features, etc.) maybe they should offer fewer.

But with Apple's cash reserve, and the intense markup of their products relative to their raw manufacturing costs (not taking into account R&D, employing, marketing, etc), you are looking to blame the wrong person.

OP: If I were you I'd snatch up an excellent black Friday-ish deal on a 3rd generation iPad. I think I saw on Slickdeals Gamestop had refurbished ones for $309 (the base model). Granted, they sold out immediately but I'm sure you could get something sweet. Then keep that for retina, get mini and have the best of both worlds. And if you find a weaker link and feel slightly spoiled having two devices, hand one down or sell one off without much/if any loss!

Also, I have had all of 5 minutes play time with an iPad4 at the store, but are you sure all iPad4's are like that or is it possible you got one that is a bad one?

thank you for your post - someone with some sense!

I had an ipad 3 in which I had to give away to an inlaw. I will say this again, the retina screen is fantastic. The ipad mini's screen is not retina - no way but it's definitely good enough and not really as overratedly bad as many says. The hardest part is knowing I am spending good money on an ipad 2 (with better cameras which I don't really care for since I have an iphone 5, siri, and I would love to have GPS). My previous ipad 3 was 64GB LTE. I hardly used the LTE and the GPS I used a few times but hte ipad is so heavy, it's not ideal in the car.

I don't think I will need to have a retina ipad AND a mini - I want a device that will complement my iphone 5 (which I use solely for calls, texting, and gps). But since the mini's introduction, it can replace the iphone for everything but calls. It can be mounted in my car with ease and the battery life is so wonderful, it's really a great device. It's still the problem with buying it with the stuck mentality it is essentially an ipad 2! I went to an ipad 4 because I know even if there is a mini 2 next year with A6 internals, at least with an ipad 4, I have that power now and will be ok for another 2 years.

I'm on here writing all this because I know some of you may be in the same situation/state of mind - whether to go ipad 4 or ipad mini. I really want to like this ipad 4, but goddam, it's just not as fast as I hoped it would be (my iphone 5 set a new standard in speed). I was expecting the A6X to be this fast...but I think the biggest fault to the ipad 4 itself is the retina - to drive that resolution, so much more power is required, and at the end, it's just a big WASH between the mini and the ipad4 performance wise!

I do not want a larger iphone, period. That's what the mini is for!
 
It may seem "marginal" to you since you are cmparing the weights at the moment, but when placed in your one hand and held on the edges, it's not a fun thing to do. Not to mention playing games on it is not as enjoyable as on the mini, no debate about it.

I can hold mine for hours just fine. *shrug*

Anti-Lucifer said:
"Next gen form factor last gen screen

Or

Next gen screen last gen form factor"

Exactly why you should return the current one and just sit this round out. You clearly are not and never will be satisfied with either.

So tired of hearing this argument in general. I went through multiple iPhone 5's due to quality control issues, and at least like 5 or 6 iPad 3's before I got a good screen without multiple hues or glaring issues upon boot up.

Big difference between returning for QC issues and returning perfectly good devices due to indecisiveness.

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And if you are, you shouldn't be so hurt if he finds "mini display crappy" or regular sized iPad form factor "too cumbersome and old school."

These are things that should be painfully obvious in store, prior to purchase. It's not hard to decide if 1.4 pounds and the form factor are absolutely horrible before shelling out 900 bucks, nor should it take buying it and bringing it home to realize the screen on the mini doesn't cut it. These things are readily apparent, and easily noticeable within the first minutes of playing with either device in store.
 
I have followed your journey with great interest, OP. I returned the Mini because of the display, but I really want a Mini, now! I have an iPad 3 that is perfect and I see no need for the 4.

I think perhaps you and I and some others are wishing for it to be 6, 9 or 12 months hence when a next gen iPad and Mini will be unveiled to the blare of Apple trumpets.

I do agree that if you want an iPad in the interim, return the 4 and find a deal this weekend on a 3, to tide you over. Off topic a bit, but my hubby has a Kindle Fire HD 8.9". While it has its limitations, it is gorgeous and perfect as a media consumption device which precisely fills his needs.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
 
This reminds me of my "dilemma" when 15" rMBP came out. Of course, it was much easier by process of elimination given my needs.

I was hoping we would have seen 13 and 15 retina MBP released at the same time mid summer, and maybe if not full blown "retina" Airs an IPS or resolution bump of sorts. Alas, when 2012 MBA was just MagSafe 2, USB 3 (would be nice with a 3TB USB 3 external I bought, but not a deal breaker just for storing media), and Ivy Bridge the more efficient and slightly faster version of Sandy Bridge based on similar architecture, I decided I am more than alright with my 2011 MBA especially with Samsung SSD and screen built in, seems to be a crap shoot. Though, I don't find an issue with LG screens, but I would definitely prefer to have the fastest SSD over Toshiba. Plus, I like the updated but not 2.0 MagSafe.

Retina was very tempting, but I already did the whole 15" thing once or twice with pre-unibody and unibody, then went 13" MBP, then decided once I've gone razor thin for travelling, there is no looking back. 13" rMBP is still tempting, but I don't want to sell my machine for a severe loss and get that only to be screwed when 2nd gen comes out. Plus, even though its thin, one's perception of thin is different when you have an Air.

All that, plus the fact I am travel-oriented and when not travel oriented use my laptop hooked up to a 24" display, I might not see the retina benefits nearly as much over the cons.

With this, it really is a toss up. My near perfect iPad3 screen (and perfect after Color Profiles jailbreak tweak) is the best screen I have in my house. It's a great reference monitor for photographs as I love photography. I said when I got this thing earlier in the year that it was worth at least $400 or so alone to me for that display and its accuracy/amazing-ness.

Now that I've used mini for a few days, the iPad feels like a dinosaur of sorts. But I still can't discredit that retina even though I long to have my cake and eat it too.

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I can hold mine for hours just fine. *shrug*



Exactly why you should return the current one and just sit this round out. You clearly are not and never will be satisfied with either.



Big difference between returning for QC issues and returning perfectly good devices due to indecisiveness.



These are things that should be painfully obvious in store, prior to purchase. It's not hard to decide if 1.4 pounds and the form factor are absolutely horrible before shelling out 900 bucks, nor should it take buying it and bringing it home to realize the screen on the mini doesn't cut it. These things are readily apparent, and easily noticeable within the first minutes of playing with either device in store.

Sitting the round out sounds like something the OP doesn't want to do though. That's like telling somebody "get an android" when they complain their iPhone screen has some inherent flaws. It's not a viable solution offered.

...but iPad 3 might be a happy compromise for waiting it out that was my original plan before getting sucked into the mini for its convenience and now I don't think I can return it and go back to strictly the big iPad.

Also, returning a device multiple times due to QC (over things like the screen quality, where the device still functions perfectly but it's not nearly as enjoyable because you are staring at the achilles heel of it, might be deemed "buyers remorse" instead of being a DOA unit) and indecision may be different to you, and maybe even myself, but by the end of the day that is inventory that will have to be refurbished or at least cannot be resold brand new-in-box, and an additional product is being opened up/taken out of storage.

People changing their mind on colors, wifi vs cellular, GB options is not uncommon at all. So being indecisive over which product line when there's a lot of overlap in both is not unforeseen either. That's why return policies are in place "no questions asked" not "interrogation time."

The weight of iPad might not seem like much to one, but I promise you, it does feel heavier wielding it in the air for 45 minutes while laying in bed vs picking it up and getting a feel for it for 5 seconds in the store. In the same way, I'm sure 99% of displays look absolutely perfect under bright lightings in a retail store, but when you're at home and that's all you're seeing is the screen and its backlight staring you down at night, that's when the multiple hue/backlight bleed issues come out. Bright lights fill in all the flaws.

... This is all just IMO.

But definitely loosen up a little, have more turkey & stuffing, and be kinder to your fellow anonymous MacRumorers. You make it sound like you're running a mums and pops shop and Anti-Lucifer is Lucifer, sitting in a corner thinking of ways to drive your small business into oblivion.
 
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Just get the mini, you will be finding fault with the ipad 4 whenever you use it, and end up won't enjoying it. The ipad mini may have the specs of the ipad 2 but its actually very different. Much much more portable and comfortable to use when you're moving around.

The thing about the speed on the ipad 4 is that there is something called the diminishing rate of return whereby the speed improvement will not be as apparent when technology improves. The ipad 4 might not be as fast as the iPhone 5 but its no slouch either considering its powering such a high resolution retina display. So what if your iPhone 5 is faster than your ipad 4? Are you gonna use it for your ipad purposes?
 
My iPad 4 was very fast, web sites loaded super quick. It was great because of the speed. Unlike the iPad 3 which struggled under the Quadcore GPU, the iPad 4's A6X is a completely new chip.

I exchanged for the Mini and extremely glad I did. It fits my gaming needs, portability etc. Love it.

Best wishes to you with your decision! :)
 
The thing about the speed on the ipad 4 is that there is something called the diminishing rate of return whereby the speed improvement will not be as apparent when technology improves.

Sorry, but you've mixed your metaphors up.
The law of diminishing returns pertains to poor ROI on 'investment', such as repairs on a car that costs more to repair than it's worth.

Not sure what metaphor you were grasping for
 
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OP, I suggest you just be bloody grateful for what you have and shut the hell up. There are MANY a person out there, myself included, who would LOVE to have the luxury of being able to have the latest and greatest... year in year out.

Quit your whining, it's getting old.
 
My iPad 4 was very fast, web sites loaded super quick. It was great because of the speed. Unlike the iPad 3 which struggled under the Quadcore GPU, the iPad 4's A6X is a completely new chip.
I exchanged for the Mini and extremely glad I did. It fits my gaming needs, portability etc. Love it.

Best wishes to you with your decision! :)

Doesn't seem to mimic the OP's experience with the 4. And it has been mentioned ALOT it isn't much faster than the 3 despite specs.

So I ask, how do you feel about the Mini with what you mentioned?
 
OP, I suggest you just be bloody grateful for what you have and shut the hell up. There are MANY a person out there, myself included, who would LOVE to have the luxury of being able to have the latest and greatest... year in year out.

Quit your whining, it's getting old.

Are you related to Tallest Skill on AppleInsider? This post is about how adding the mini is causing some confusion and indecision between the two models. Just wait until they decide to make a larger "pro" model and see what happens. People need to just chill out on these forums, including me. Oh, and Apple, please let people outside the US have their LTE minis, please? :)
 
I created another thread regarding the ipad 4 A6 processor - something is very strange with the ipad 4- I'm very use to my iphone 5 and the fact it can task switch to any app and that app will instantly respond; it's such a joy to use a phone that has such extreme fluidity in overall user experience, I was expecting the same thing on my ipad 4 since it's clocked faster than my iphone 5; but it's NOT! Quite the opposite, in fact, the task switchign is identical to my ipad 2/ipad mini!

Try giving the ipad 4 a reboot. There seems to be a bug in iOS 6 that kills its performance. I was running Peacekeeper and Geekbench the other day and my scores were unusually low until I rebooted. I noticed the increase in fluidity immediately after reboot.
 
Doesn't seem to mimic the OP's experience with the 4. And it has been mentioned ALOT it isn't much faster than the 3 despite specs.

So I ask, how do you feel about the Mini with what you mentioned?

Maybe their Internet is not the fastest, don't know. It was very speedy in my experience. :)

I love the Mini, adore it and I only miss the Retina for 1080p videos.
 
Just received my sleeve for the mini - this is NOT helping in anyway!
Holding the sleeve just brings back memories - like how you dumped the ex-gf that should've been THE ONE in your life. Now you just weep because holding this sleeve brings back all the emotions. Mini me, you complete me :(

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Don't know what hardware they use for a wifi connection in Apple stores but the only thing missing with the lightning speed the 4 displayed today was the thunderbolt! :D

It may not be the same experience elsewhere but I'll find out shortly. ;)
 
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