upgrade for beige g3

iameatingjam1

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Well I just received this beast in the mail and 9.2.2 is running okay but not as well as I had hoped, especially at 1024 x 768 resolution.

I imagine that the 2MB of VRAM from the 3D Rage II+ is holding it back. Would a nice old radeon 7000 increase performance? ( and work...?)

I can't see how any more ram would do much good, already have 320MB. Definitely don't want to drop more than $20, so a cpu upgrade is out of the question.

Also, it would be nice to play nanosaur again.

Thanks for the help!
 
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jrsx

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I should think that would help. Have you restored the system since you got it? That is the first thing I always do to systems I but used. It could be pretty bugged down, and before you buy anything, I would restore it.
 

gavinstubbs09

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I'm doing a CPU and GPU upgrade for my B&W. Doing it as we speak! I got a 450MHz FastMac CPU upgrade for $15, a Radeon 9200 128MB card for $15, then shipping for both was $15. $45 total, may have been a drop in the bucket but we'll see if it was worth it!
 

jrsx

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I'm doing a CPU and GPU upgrade for my B&W. Doing it as we speak! I got a 450MHz FastMac CPU upgrade for $15, a Radeon 9200 128MB card for $15, then shipping for both was $15. $45 total, may have been a drop in the bucket but we'll see if it was worth it!
Is this part of your video series?
 

Hrududu

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I'd suggest a Rage 128 or Radeon 7000 PCI for that little guy. My beige desktop G3 had a VooDoo II installed when I got it, so I never ran the internal graphics, but I can imagine how tough that would be. As another poster said, the 9200 is a nifty PCI Mac card (got one in a blue and white) but I don't know if it works in a beige G3. Since it doesn't support Quartz or any Core Image, I really dont say its worth much more than a 7000.
 

128keaton

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Well I just received this beast in the mail and 9.2.2 is running okay but not as well as I had hoped, especially at 1024 x 768 resolution.

I imagine that the 2MB of VRAM from the 3D Rage II+ is holding it back. Would a nice old radeon 7000 increase performance? ( and work...?)

I can't see how any more ram would do much good, already have 320MB. Definitely don't want to drop more than $20, so a cpu upgrade is out of the question.

Also, it would be nice to play nanosaur again.

Thanks for the help!
I have a Rage 128 i'd be willing to send to you for the price of shipping. I don't know if it works, so If you are wanting to take that bet, I'm totally up for it.
 

iameatingjam1

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I have a Rage 128 i'd be willing to send to you for the price of shipping. I don't know if it works, so If you are wanting to take that bet, I'm totally up for it.
Hey thanks man, I really appreciate it. Do you have any reason to believe it doesn't work? I live out in Canada and assuming your from the US that could be a fair priced risk.

You're right! gThirtyFour as someone tagged it. I have Day 1 and 2 to edit, as soon as my dad gives me my Mac Pro back :rolleyes:
Cool, I would definitely be interested in watching that.
 

128keaton

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Hey thanks man, I really appreciate it. Do you have any reason to believe it doesn't work? I live out in Canada and assuming your from the US that could be a fair priced risk.



Cool, I would definitely be interested in watching that.

I haven't tested it, so just saying. I might pop it into my PowerMacG5 but I don't think it will work. I have another PC with PCI around here.... And yes, I am in the US. I'll test it today when I'm off work.


EDIT: Turns out, I don't have a computer to test it in (my G4 needs a new mono) the card itself is missing the heat spreader and the PCI bracket. It might be best to get one from here: http://www.pcliquidations.com/p4919-ati-rage-128-pro?r160164167166161. Thats exactly what I have, only without the spreader/bracket. Here is the current state of my card:


Not too pretty. But if you really wanted mine, I'd put another heat spreader on it and reapply the thermal compound.


EDIT AGAIN: My card is the pro, what you need is the GL. Heres a GL off of Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/ATI-Rage-128-GL-Graphic/dp/B003ATQCN2
 
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jrsx

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@128keaton maybe clean up thermal paste on that chip? Just some advise-if you reapply a the thermal paste, make sure there is no trace of the old paste, otherwise the card will heat up more.
 

Anonymous Freak

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What are you going to use the system for?

If pure "nostalgia computing" then a PCI Radeon card would be good solely to allow access to higher color depths on resolutions that modern monitors use. Other than that, a replacement hard drive would be good, simply because the hard drive in there is old and slow. If you can get a Mac-boot-compatible PCI SATA card cheap, that would be your best bet.

Also, as Intell also noted, the card pictured is an AGP card, and won't work in a G3, as G3s only have PCI slots.
 

iameatingjam1

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What are you going to use the system for?

If pure "nostalgia computing" then a PCI Radeon card would be good solely to allow access to higher color depths on resolutions that modern monitors use. Other than that, a replacement hard drive would be good, simply because the hard drive in there is old and slow. If you can get a Mac-boot-compatible PCI SATA card cheap, that would be your best bet.

Also, as Intell also noted, the card pictured is an AGP card, and won't work in a G3, as G3s only have PCI slots.
Its pretty much for nostalgia yeah, for games I grew up on. I didn't really want a modern monitor just to have that 'old' feel. I originally got a CRT monitor but it turned green at 640x480... the whole reason I got it was better low resolution support, damn. Maybe the new video card will fix that.

It has a 40GB hard drive, so its not the original one. I didn't think it to be much of a bottleneck. Would a sata drive through PCI really be much faster than IDE?

I know I need a pci card, thanks!
 

ifrit05

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...Would a sata drive through PCI really be much faster than IDE?
Definitely considering the Beige G3's IDE controller max speed was about 16.7MB/s (ATA-2), and only supported drives up to 128GB.

Even getting a Mac compatible Bootable IDE PCI 133 card would be a considerable jump in speed (ATA-6, 133MB/s).
 

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