Upgrade to El Capitan?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by rolltide4life, Dec 10, 2015.

  1. rolltide4life macrumors newbie

    Jul 19, 2010
    I am debating whether i should upgrade to EL Capitan from Yosemite on my Mac Pro 5,1 this weekend or not. Is there any reason for me to upgrade to EL Capitan now or should I stick with Yosemite for a little longer?

  2. cruisin macrumors 6502a


    Apr 1, 2014
  3. h9826790 macrumors G4


    Apr 3, 2014
    Hong Kong
    If you are happy with Yosemite, then no. Upgrade from a OS that good for you usually gives your more trouble than benefit.

    I use 10.11 mainly because I am not happy with Yosemite. e.g. I prefer the Mission Control in El Capitan more than Yosemite. Or the 7950 graphic driver in Yosemite is very buggy for Safari.
  4. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040


    Jul 4, 2015
    El Capitan will cripple some of the apps Mac Pro users have come to rely on : WinClone, Bootchamp, Disk Utility.

    There are also a number of issues with USB devices and audio production applications.

    The main benefit (Metal) isn't going to be seen for a long while. So for cMP users who are not developing for Metal, El Capitan is a restrictive version of Yosemite with a Split View option.
  5. philosopherdog macrumors 6502a


    Dec 29, 2008
    If Yosemite is running smooth then why bother. Personally Yosemite was one of the worst OS's I've used as my rMBP was constantly crashing with GPU problems. El Capitan has been very smooth for me.
  6. developer13245 macrumors 6502


    Nov 15, 2012
    My vote is no.

    I have a test partition for El Crap to test my products. They all work (got lucky this time).
    I've noticed a lot of other problems, so I'm staying away.

    But the larger issue I've noticed is that new OS versions break existing apps more, and developers are using the opportunity to MD / "obsolete" older versions of their apps to then sell you a completely new product that does essentially what the old one did.

    An example of this is how the iBank 4 wifi iOS device sync feature "broke" with Yosemite. I understand how we developers get screwed by the "no charge upgrade" App store policy, so I bought direct from IGG instead of the app store (actually hoping I could buy an upgrade) but got screwed anyway. It wouldn't have looked good for iBank 5.0.0 to 'Fix" wifi sync, so they also eliminated the feature and implemented a subscription cloud sync.. not interested. They eventually brought wifi sync back (in a later 5.point release) if you also bought a new version for your iOS device, but it then "broke" again with iOS 9. Lucky I didn't upgrade for the feature, then get screwed again by 9.

    So, even though ISVs implement their own purchase systems, the App Store has enough gravity to force the market into this whack situation.

    Apple is using the no charge for upgrade policy in their app stores to drive small developers out of business.
    Sure, they give away OS X now, but Apple would be dead if they had to give away OS 10.0 onward....
  7. LizKat macrumors 68040


    Aug 5, 2004
    Catskill Mountains
    I resisted upgrading a 2012 MBP to Yosemite because I read so many complaints about it, so... as both my OS and the machine are getting a bit long in the tooth, probably I'll resolve the upgrade issue by getting my next Apple refurb MBP (or Air) with El Capitan installed. Doesn't resolve the issue of apps not working on it but I can ease my way into it since the 2012 machines does still work okay.
  8. scott.n macrumors 6502

    Dec 17, 2010
    One more vote for staying on Yosemite. I upgraded to 10.11 not long after it was released and haven't had too much trouble, but found Yosemite to be more stable.

    Echoing what others have said above, I've been frustrated with the crippled Disk Utility and non-working Bootchamp. Also had to upgrade iState Menus since the previous version doesn't work with El Capitan's SIP.
  9. ktaaa macrumors newbie

    Dec 12, 2015
    Minnetonka, MN
  10. ktaaa macrumors newbie

    Dec 12, 2015
    Minnetonka, MN
    I upgraded from 10.6.8 to 10.11.1 recently because of upgrading my iPhone required me to do so.
    So far things have gone relatively well with only a few problems.
    The most important is the difficulty of going back to 10.6.8 on another drive. I can get there, but getting back to El Capitan
    is extremely difficult. In 10.6.8 startup disk, the only option is "network." I have found a way to make this work, but it is sloooow
  11. Bytehoven macrumors regular


    Dec 1, 2015
    Up Shellpot Creek
    Personally I am waiting to make sure none of our production software is compromised. To be frank, I'm a little pissed at some of the changes, like burying RAID support with in terminal commands and removing it from disk utility... but hey, maybe someone at SoftRAID has friends at APPLE.

    In any event... if you do decide to give it a try, use a clone of your 10.10.5 volume in case you find issues.

    Good luck.
  12. Dellapearl macrumors newbie


    Feb 1, 2016
  13. howiest macrumors regular


    Aug 16, 2015
    Left Coast
    I got a lot of functionality back by disabling SIP, but looking back, I could have saved a lot of time and hassle by just staying with Yosemite. As was mentioned, El Cap is definitely a no-go if you're doing audio production.
    Luckily I have a Yosemite clone just in case.
  14. Dellapearl macrumors newbie


    Feb 1, 2016
    I'm glad that worked for you. I don't even know what an SIP is. I'm just a lowly, retired, everyday kind of Mac user. I've always been about the hardware and technical side of things. But give me a software program, and I'll learn it inside and out.
  15. howiest macrumors regular


    Aug 16, 2015
    Left Coast
    Here's a good article about SIP, and how to disable it. I'm not against SIP in any way, it's just that it kind of caught people/developers by surprise by disabling some commonly used utilities or apps. For me, one of those was BootChamp, but there are several others.
  16. Inutopia macrumors 6502


    Apr 8, 2009
    South of Heaven
    Yep, for the first time in 10 years I'm still running the previous version of OS X.

    Don't get me wrong, I usually wait to hear about compatibility of my main apps, so my business doesn't suffer etc. But with SIP disabling Bootchamp and the dumbing down of disk util this time I've not been tempted to upgrade.
  17. ActionableMango macrumors G3


    Sep 21, 2010

    I agree wholeheartedly with SoyCapSoyCap. El Capitan breaks a lot of stuff. It's the "Windows Vista" of OS X.

    BootChamp is particularly sad too, because he's stopped development due to SIP even though it's possible for users to disable SIP.

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